Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Could be in the race for a 4/5. They were pushing for the 8 seed last year before Varejao got hurt, and Bynum/Zeller is a billion times better than Hollins/Erden
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Max Power
Footballguy
What makes it so questionable to you? The Knicks wanted him back before Houston bumped the offer 5 mil. The Knicks said no because of the lux. tax, not the player's salary.
Abraham
Footballguy
Won't bore you too much except to say that Terrence jones is going bonkers again tonight. I think he has 16 points at the half. Lamb had 11 in the first six minutes. Royce white has 8 fouls at the half.
Machado finished with 20 points, 6 assists and 4 steals as he pushed Dragic and Livingston for a roster spot. I think they will probably keep him.
Waived Jerome Jordan and leaur, which means without Asik or Howard or Bynum the starting center will be Patrick Patterson. As a note, Patterson and parsHons have been in street clothes for the last 4 summer league games leading many to think that a Howard deal is already Pending Asik being matched.
Machado finished with 20 points, 6 assists and 4 steals as he pushed Dragic and Livingston for a roster spot. I think they will probably keep him.
Waived Jerome Jordan and leaur, which means without Asik or Howard or Bynum the starting center will be Patrick Patterson. As a note, Patterson and parsHons have been in street clothes for the last 4 summer league games leading many to think that a Howard deal is already Pending Asik being matched.
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Max Power
Footballguy
Because they would welcome and pay a guy chucking the rock 20+ times a game and giving a half ### effort on some nights.
Balco
Footballguy
Nets starting lineup next year:
PG: Deron Williams
SG: Joe Johnson
SF: Gerald Wallace
PF: Kris Humphries
C: Brook Lopez
Rotation Guys:
PF/C: Mirza Teletovic - Zero Defense but he is an awesome outside shooter.
PF: Reggie Evans - Zero offensive game, rugged defender.
PG: CJ Watson - Loved that signing.
SG: Marshon Brooks - Instant offense off bench
They need a SF. Damion James has been plagued by injuries, but if he can stay healthy (and the Nets resign him), I think he has a future as a solid defender at SF.
But I see no reason why that team won't compete for a top 3 seed in the East.
PG: Deron Williams
SG: Joe Johnson
SF: Gerald Wallace
PF: Kris Humphries
C: Brook Lopez
Rotation Guys:
PF/C: Mirza Teletovic - Zero Defense but he is an awesome outside shooter.
PF: Reggie Evans - Zero offensive game, rugged defender.
PG: CJ Watson - Loved that signing.
SG: Marshon Brooks - Instant offense off bench
They need a SF. Damion James has been plagued by injuries, but if he can stay healthy (and the Nets resign him), I think he has a future as a solid defender at SF.
But I see no reason why that team won't compete for a top 3 seed in the East.
Max Power
Footballguy
Is it bad that I don't think Chicago is elite anymore? I think the Bulls will be lucky to finish in the top 4. I expect to see a top notch D, with suspect O. Korver, Watson and Lucas for as as bad as they played at times were really the guys who hit the BIG shots in the 4th for this team. If Rip can be the Rip of old, the Bulls will be ok without Rose. If Rip plays a year older and slower, this team won't be that good in 2012.
Max Power
Footballguy
I agree. This is a good lineup with decent depth. As long as everyone stays healthy and they can play as a team, they should have home court advantage in the first round of the playoffs. I love Watson too. He isnt a true point guard and can't run a team if Deron goes down, but he is a decent scoring option off the bench.Nets starting lineup next yearG: Deron WilliamsSG: Joe JohnsonSF: Gerald WallacePF: Kris HumphriesC: Brook LopezRotation Guys
Abraham
Footballguy
I forgot the pavers. But otherwise, who? Orlando? Knicks? Raptors? Celtics? I think Chicago may be okay because there is no one else to seize the top 5 seeds.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Much will depend on TT's development and Waiters ability to contribute, but that lineup has the best PG in the east and the best C in the east, so they're definite top 4-5 seed contenders, IMO.
Max Power
Footballguy
You might be right, but good by default is not where I want my team to be. I see Miami, Boston, Indy and Brooklyn as top 6 locks in the east. Chicago, NY, ATL, and Philly in the next tier that probably rounds out the playoff picture. BUT I still think Washington, Cleveland and the Bucks could be legit this year. I'll have to see that Raptors new center play before I include them.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I mentioned this before, but I think the Bulls defense will take a big hit and not just because Asik is leaving. It is one thing to play with the a super high level of effort when you are having success, but it is much different when you aren't. And the Bulls are going to be outmatched talent-wise on many nights. The bench was a main strength of the team the last few years but now is a weakness. Thibs is one of those demanding coaches and that eventually wears on guys. And without Rose and Deng (possibly) in the early part of the season, the veteran leaders with be Boozer and Hamilton -- two guys that don't play with maximum effort, particularly now on the downsides of their careers. The more I think about it, the more I think they'll need a late season push sparked by a healthy Rose to be a .500 team.
bigfeet_88
Footballguy
They have banks and handicapped parking spots, just like LA.'Bucky86 said:
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Who took a bigger dump today, Donuts or Parsons?
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Fun reminder about Summer League: Rashad McCants once dropped 29 in one half.
timschochet
Footballguy
Jamison signs one year deal with the Lakers.
36 year old, over the hill, no defense. But at least he can score off the bench, and that's something the Lakers desperately need.
Any Laker fans remember that game in 2000, when Jamison scored 51, and Kobe scored 51? Sure seems like a long time ago....
36 year old, over the hill, no defense. But at least he can score off the bench, and that's something the Lakers desperately need.
Any Laker fans remember that game in 2000, when Jamison scored 51, and Kobe scored 51? Sure seems like a long time ago....
Kev4029
Footballguy
More that I would have liked the Nuggets to pay him but with the way bigs were getting paid I think it was below market value. If they can stay healthy next year, I think the Nuggets will have home court in the first round.
timschochet
Footballguy
Well, here is one very positive response to the Jamison acquisition:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/antawn-jamison-lakers-could-dangerous-dangerous-thing-230021002--nba.html
It all seems a bit odd that, even with the Jeremy Lin brouhaha blowing over and Team USA's ascension and the Dwight Howard nonsense, nobody appears to be fawning over how absolutely fantastic the Los Angeles Lakers are going to be next season. Yes, defense will be a significant problem, but it was an issue at times last year (falling from sixth in defensive efficiency under Phil Jackson in 2010-11 to 13th under Brown), and that didn't stop the Lakers from winning what would have pro-rated to 51 wins in a typical season, all with Gasol struggling and absolutely no production from the point guard slot and the bench.
Though Jamison turned 36 in June, he'll be able to carry that bench offensively (remember, this guy scored 17 a game last year in Cleveland with precious little help, spacing-wise) in the first half and give Brown options with his lineups in the second. Few, if any, have been better than Jamison at finishing off of broken plays over the last decade, and that ability will be appreciated in Los Angeles with so many mouths to feed and options to exhaust. With Nash and Jamison in the fold, the Lakers will have only themselves and a lack of ball movement to blame if they don't vault way up from the 10th ranking in offensive efficiency that they disappointed with last season.
This is a crew that can do some dangerous things, with a fitful first-year run under Brown already out of their belts, and out of the damn way.
The summer isn't over, the roster still has some things to work out and the looming presence of Dwight Howard could change things significantly. For now, though? This Lakers team looks stacked, offensively, and championship-worthy all over again.
Signing the modern-day equivalent of James Worthy, even if he is in the winter of his career, will do that to a team's fortunes.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/antawn-jamison-lakers-could-dangerous-dangerous-thing-230021002--nba.html
It all seems a bit odd that, even with the Jeremy Lin brouhaha blowing over and Team USA's ascension and the Dwight Howard nonsense, nobody appears to be fawning over how absolutely fantastic the Los Angeles Lakers are going to be next season. Yes, defense will be a significant problem, but it was an issue at times last year (falling from sixth in defensive efficiency under Phil Jackson in 2010-11 to 13th under Brown), and that didn't stop the Lakers from winning what would have pro-rated to 51 wins in a typical season, all with Gasol struggling and absolutely no production from the point guard slot and the bench.
Though Jamison turned 36 in June, he'll be able to carry that bench offensively (remember, this guy scored 17 a game last year in Cleveland with precious little help, spacing-wise) in the first half and give Brown options with his lineups in the second. Few, if any, have been better than Jamison at finishing off of broken plays over the last decade, and that ability will be appreciated in Los Angeles with so many mouths to feed and options to exhaust. With Nash and Jamison in the fold, the Lakers will have only themselves and a lack of ball movement to blame if they don't vault way up from the 10th ranking in offensive efficiency that they disappointed with last season.
This is a crew that can do some dangerous things, with a fitful first-year run under Brown already out of their belts, and out of the damn way.
The summer isn't over, the roster still has some things to work out and the looming presence of Dwight Howard could change things significantly. For now, though? This Lakers team looks stacked, offensively, and championship-worthy all over again.
Signing the modern-day equivalent of James Worthy, even if he is in the winter of his career, will do that to a team's fortunes.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So whats the lakers avg age now with nash, kobe, artest, pau, and jamison?
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I'm waiting until Howard is on board before doing the math.
Abraham
Footballguy
Howard apparently will sign an extension with LAL. Good for the Lakers if it happens. I think that even though the rockets have better player/picks to offer, Cleveland must be willing to take back more of the crummy contracts than the Rockets. I wonder how Kobe will feel being the second best player on his own team again.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Will be interesting to see how Kobe plays without the ball more often than ever now that there is a real pg and a real post presence.
What is jmon going to do? He loves "drew" and said how he did not want howard at all.
What is jmon going to do? He loves "drew" and said how he did not want howard at all.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Lakers need Phil back to make the Howard-Kobe thing work. Mike Brown will not get it done.
Abraham
Footballguy
Stephen A. Smith's column is particularly idiotic this morning.
bryhamm
Footballguy
Q1-3 = Dwight & NashQ4 = a rested Kobe
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Nash and Dwight better build a massive lead...
the moops
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Starting 5:
Nash
Kobe
World Peace
Gasol
Howard
Bench:
Jamison
Blake
?
Championship?
Nash
Kobe
World Peace
Gasol
Howard
Bench:
Jamison
Blake
?
Championship?
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Plural.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Would be a fascinating team to watch. High-risk, high-reward team, ton of talent and a ton of injury/age/chemistry concerns. It would also complete the round trip transformation of LeBron James from fan favorite to heel and back again, because the Lakers would obviously take over the role of the NBA's primary villains.
Abraham
Footballguy
Agree completely. It would also complete the cycle from everyone thinking Lebron can't close and Kobe can to an era of everyone knowing Lebron is clutch and questioning if Kobe is ever going to come through in the fourth quarter when his team needs him.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Apparently it would also complete gunz's transformation fromLaker haters......mount up.7 rings and Kobe walks off into the sunset in 2014 as the GOAT.
poster who is occasionally worth reading to "JMon, the sequel".
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I'm missing the part explaining why Orlando does this deal.
Abraham
Footballguy
At that point, yes, he would be in the argument as the greatest Laker of all time. Would be fun to finally have a healthy debate about his place among the Gold and Purple after he wins two more rings.Laker haters......mount up.7 rings and Kobe walks off into the sunset in 2014 as the GOAT.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I think they get a bunch of picks and unload a bunch of bad contracts to Cleveland for some expirings?
Abraham
Footballguy
Yeah, that little nugget gets glossed over pretty good in the EPSN article.LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS Sources also told Broussard the Lakers are ready and eager to trade for Howard -- with a package built around Andrew Bynum -- but that Orlando is holding up the deal. The Magic, while willing to trade Howard, are not in a rush, and are prepared to wait until they get a deal they like. LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS LAKERS...
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Greatest Laker ever to ride the coattails of multiple elite big men?At that point, yes, he would be in the argument as the greatest Laker of all time. Would be fun to finally have a healthy debate about his place among the Gold and Purple after he wins two more rings.Laker haters......mount up.7 rings and Kobe walks off into the sunset in 2014 as the GOAT.
timschochet
Footballguy
Why?It was my understanding that the dislike for LeBron came from how he handled the move to Miami. What has Dwight done that is comparable?
And as for Kobe, while I get the criticism of him being overrated and too much of a shooter, I've never understood why he is so disliked by other fans around the NBA. When I hear him interviewed (which is often) he seems like a genuinely decent guy. I know people like Cliff seem to get off calling him a rapist, but he was exonerated and no one rational believes it.
As far as the rest of the team, World Peace can be a thug at times, but he can also be funny and likable. Nash and Gasol are two of the most classy guys in the NBA. They lose the moody Bynum, and replace him with the irrepressibly cheerful Howard.
Outside of envy, (which is understandable) why wouldn't anyone like this Laker team?
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
It's really fascinating. Clock is obviously ticking for the Lakers. Figure they've got 2-3 years left of effective play from Kobe and now they've surrounded him with old, old roster. So getting Howard for 2012-2013 is a lot more important to them than it is to the other teams ... and that's obviously the one chip the Magic still have in front of them. They've gotta love the fact that Howard is warming to the Lakers.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Are you serious? Please tell me this is shtick. Please. You cannot be this disconnected from reality.
timschochet
Footballguy
I thought when he signed with Orlando last year that was to make the fans happy. It was the exact opposite of what LeBron did. Then later on he said he wanted to be traded. Lots of stars do this. He said wouldn't sign another extension. Lots of stars do this as well. What he did not do is hold a special on ESPN and not reveal to anyone whether he would re-sign with Orlando or move on elsewhere until the special. I thought this was the source of the antagonism against LeBron.
timschochet
Footballguy
Anyhow this deal is not done, because Orlando is still apparently holding out for something better. I think it will get done, but if it doesn't, the Lakers will still be much improved next year. They'll probably re-sign Jordan Hill as well in that event.
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