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2006 Cleveland Browns Thread (1 Viewer)

Today's latest from WKNR 850 AM radio:

+ Right Tackle Ryan Tucker is a game-time decision for tonites game vs the Bears.

+ The media guys at WKNR really seem to think the club is favoring keeping Green over Suggs. Wether this is inside information gleaned over the past 24 hours or just speculation, they sounded quite sure of it. It was a marked difference from yesterday, when their opinion was that it would be better to keep Suggs.

+ Romeo Crennel is still insistent that the "door is open" when it comes to signing a veteran QB to be the backup despite A. J. Feeley being signed by the Eagles.

 
replacements said:
Does anyone else see the browns Def as a sleeper this year. I don't know statistically how they have faired through the preaseason,but I have seen every game and they look pretty good.The front seven has been pretty stout against the run.The secondary has been suspect,but when baxter and mccutcheon get back the secondary should be pretty tough.Baxter,Russell,Jones and Bodden with mcutcheon coming in as the nickle back should be our best secondary since their return.This def. definitley has some potential.
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I love our defense. I was looking at the roster as a whole trying to see who they are going to cut to get down to the 53 and I can get down to 58 before it really gets hard. I have watched all 3 preseason games and I think the 2nd year under Romeo is going to make a huge difference.
 
Godsbrother said:
I am curious to know which RB that Browns fans would rather keep, Suggs or Green?
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If we can get anything out of either of them that one has to go. I would say that Green should stay just because Harrison looks good enough and quick enough to be the change of pace/3rd down back.
 
BGP said:
Today's latest from WKNR 850 AM radio:

+ Right Tackle Ryan Tucker is a game-time decision for tonites game vs the Bears.

+ The media guys at WKNR really seem to think the club is favoring keeping Green over Suggs. Wether this is inside information gleaned over the past 24 hours or just speculation, they sounded quite sure of it. It was a marked difference from yesterday, when their opinion was that it would be better to keep Suggs.

+ Romeo Crennel is still insistent that the "door is open" when it comes to signing a veteran QB to be the backup despite A. J. Feeley being signed by the Eagles.
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Yesterday, Rhoda and the beat guy's opinion was to keep Suggs if it was up to them. But I've never heard anyone say they think the Browns will keep Suggs. They've mostly projected that it will be Green. Maybe we've heard some different things though.
 
amnesiac said:
s_ezy said:
hotdampepperman said:
Interesting reading here guys. Does anybody think B. Volek could be aquired and who/what draft pick the Browns would have to give up. As a Winslow owner in a keeper league I would like to see this happen, not that Frye is that bad a QB, but I think he may still be a year or two away, similar to what Losman went through last year. Volek definately could be available if Collins gets comfortable with the Titans offense, and he definately wants out of Tennessee. You Browns homers think this would be a fit?
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Frye is the starter, no questions therei still think the browns will pick up old man testaverte before the season startsi can't see the browns giving up a first day draft pick, which Savages covets, for a QB that would back frye up i.e. Volek
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what he said.
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What they said. No way does Frye look like Losman last year. Losman was awful last year. He could not read the defenses and ran alot more than he should have. I could see Volek coming as a backup especially if it is as bad in Ten as I have read. IMO Anderson looks like he would work out fine as a backup.
 
Brownsfan_33 said:
amnesiac said:
s_ezy said:
hotdampepperman said:
Interesting reading here guys. Does anybody think B. Volek could be aquired and who/what draft pick the Browns would have to give up. As a Winslow owner in a keeper league I would like to see this happen, not that Frye is that bad a QB, but I think he may still be a year or two away, similar to what Losman went through last year. Volek definately could be available if Collins gets comfortable with the Titans offense, and he definately wants out of Tennessee. You Browns homers think this would be a fit?
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Frye is the starter, no questions therei still think the browns will pick up old man testaverte before the season startsi can't see the browns giving up a first day draft pick, which Savages covets, for a QB that would back frye up i.e. Volek
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what he said.
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What they said. No way does Frye look like Losman last year. Losman was awful last year. He could not read the defenses and ran alot more than he should have. I could see Volek coming as a backup especially if it is as bad in Ten as I have read. IMO Anderson looks like he would work out fine as a backup.
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I can not see Volek coming to Clevelandthe reason Volek is upset = he might not startthe reason he is waving his no trade clause = to go somewhere he has a chance to START, he did the backup thing and feels he can do the starter thing now
 
s_ezy said:
I can not see Volek coming to Clevelandthe reason Volek is upset = he might not startthe reason he is waving his no trade clause = to go somewhere he has a chance to START, he did the backup thing and feels he can do the starter thing now
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Or he sees that he has no talent around him and the team is going no where.
 
Brownsfan_33 said:
replacements said:
Does anyone else see the browns Def as a sleeper this year. I don't know statistically how they have faired through the preaseason,but I have seen every game and they look pretty good.The front seven has been pretty stout against the run.The secondary has been suspect,but when baxter and mccutcheon get back the secondary should be pretty tough.Baxter,Russell,Jones and Bodden with mcutcheon coming in as the nickle back should be our best secondary since their return.This def. definitley has some potential.
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I love our defense. I was looking at the roster as a whole trying to see who they are going to cut to get down to the 53 and I can get down to 58 before it really gets hard. I have watched all 3 preseason games and I think the 2nd year under Romeo is going to make a huge difference.
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The only thing holding it back is the injuries to CBs Baxter and McCutcheon. Once they are healthy, it could be a very surprising D.
 
Bobcat10 said:
BGP said:
Today's latest from WKNR 850 AM radio:

+ Right Tackle Ryan Tucker is a game-time decision for tonites game vs the Bears.

+ The media guys at WKNR really seem to think the club is favoring keeping Green over Suggs. Wether this is inside information gleaned over the past 24 hours or just speculation, they sounded quite sure of it. It was a marked difference from yesterday, when their opinion was that it would be better to keep Suggs.

+ Romeo Crennel is still insistent that the "door is open" when it comes to signing a veteran QB to be the backup despite A. J. Feeley being signed by the Eagles.
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Yesterday, Rhoda and the beat guy's opinion was to keep Suggs if it was up to them. But I've never heard anyone say they think the Browns will keep Suggs. They've mostly projected that it will be Green. Maybe we've heard some different things though.
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I think you misread what I posted. I didn't say anyone at WKNR believed the Browns will keep Suggs. I said the media guys, in their opinion, felt it would be better to keep Suggs.
 
One really good sign for the Browns in 2006 is, for the first time since the return, they are looking at cutting someone that definitely has value. That shows depth. We've also got a camp battle between safeties Sean Jones and Brodney Pool - both of which probably would start in the NFL.

 
Bobcat10 said:
amnesiac said:
s_ezy said:
hotdampepperman said:
Interesting reading here guys. Does anybody think B. Volek could be aquired and who/what draft pick the Browns would have to give up. As a Winslow owner in a keeper league I would like to see this happen, not that Frye is that bad a QB, but I think he may still be a year or two away, similar to what Losman went through last year. Volek definately could be available if Collins gets comfortable with the Titans offense, and he definately wants out of Tennessee. You Browns homers think this would be a fit?
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Frye is the starter, no questions therei still think the browns will pick up old man testaverte before the season startsi can't see the browns giving up a first day draft pick, which Savages covets, for a QB that would back frye up i.e. Volek
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Ya pretty much. We've already invested draft picks on two centers that won't even start next year (let's hope). Savage is a "draft nut or guru", for lack of better terms, I only see him aquiring picks from now until next draft.
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This got me thinking about next years' draft. If everything more or less pans out the way it should, what will be our biggest need?Offense:+ RB - We got an RB in Droughns. Not our most pressing need but could be an option if the right guy was there.+ WR - An area of strength.+ TE - An area of strength.+ QB - might be an option if the right guy was there.+ OL - this needs more help, even in getting Bentley back. One of our top two picks should be here. We've got a few guys that are "get me over" players but grade A beef is what you want.Defense:+ DL - NT Ted Washington is a stop-gap. Likely one of our top two picks here.+ LB - An area of strength+ DB - An area of strength - Bodden is a gem, we've got three quality safties. The only issue is other CB spot and that's because McCutcheon and Baxter are both dinged with minor issues. The Browns are a lot closer than some might think.I think the Browns target a NT and OL help in rounds 1 and 2. However, if the right QB or RB falls in their lap they take it.
 
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Look at the playmakers on this club:

Winslow

Edwards

Droughns

Wimbley

A. Davis

D'Qwell

Bodden

Not bad guys.

 
You forgot...

Roye

Washington

McGinnest

Harrison

Heiden

T. Smith

Cribbs and Northcutt at returning

Zastudil

The list of playmakers is at least 3 times longer than last year.

 
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BGP said:
I think the Browns target a NT and OL help in rounds 1 and 2. However, if the right QB or RB falls in their lap they take it.
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if there is a true NT available, they will draft him.that said, if they don't spend a couple of first day picks on OL next year, i will be pissed.eta: assuming the proper talent is there, of course. no point in reaching on guys.
 
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amnesiac said:
BGP said:
I think the Browns target a NT and OL help in rounds 1 and 2. However, if the right QB or RB falls in their lap they take it.
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if there is a true NT available, they will draft him.that said, if they don't spend a couple of first day picks on OL next year, i will be pissed.eta: assuming the proper talent is there, of course. no point in reaching on guys.
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I think they want to see Baba O. this year too. He was definitely a pick Savage liked this past draft (seemed like good value). Made passing on Ngata to get Wimbley look even better.Is it just me or do you always see that rook Hamilton making plays or around the ball? Obviously he has no shot at starting, but he's gonna make the team and contribute on STs this year.Are they ever going to expirement with Pool and Jones at safety? They have this man love for Russell that I don't quite understand. At least I've heard the loser of the Pool/Jones battle will see time in the nickel and dime.The offense was very ho hum last night. Not very impressive, at least we played the Bears.
 
Do you guys see the Browns stretching the field on offense. This aspect of the game has been dissappointing so far. Braylon is the main deep threat and I know they don't want to push him, but I thought the might throw some medium deep passes to winslow.(about 20yards downfield)Everything is dink and dunk.Do you think they are just not showing anything, possibly worried about the lines ability to hold for longer routes,or worried about Frye's ability to throw downfield.Or worst case scenerio is that this will be Carthons game plan.

 
Bobcat10 said:
amnesiac said:
BGP said:
I think the Browns target a NT and OL help in rounds 1 and 2. However, if the right QB or RB falls in their lap they take it.
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if there is a true NT available, they will draft him.that said, if they don't spend a couple of first day picks on OL next year, i will be pissed.eta: assuming the proper talent is there, of course. no point in reaching on guys.
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I think they want to see Baba O. this year too. He was definitely a pick Savage liked this past draft (seemed like good value). Made passing on Ngata to get Wimbley look even better.Is it just me or do you always see that rook Hamilton making plays or around the ball? Obviously he has no shot at starting, but he's gonna make the team and contribute on STs this year.Are they ever going to expirement with Pool and Jones at safety? They have this man love for Russell that I don't quite understand. At least I've heard the loser of the Pool/Jones battle will see time in the nickel and dime.
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i think the announcers on the TV last night had a good point about Oshinowo; basically they said he looks like a great fit at DT in a 4-3. not sure he's got the bulk to be a NT, but maybe he could play end in the 3-4? he was making plays all over the place, he definitely looks like they'll find a spot for him.i haven't really noticed Hamilton, but i've only seen bits and pieces of the games.i could've sworn they said they were going to start Pool at SS and Jones at FS last night. missed the first part of the game though, so i don't know if they did or not.
 
replacements said:
Do you guys see the Browns stretching the field on offense. This aspect of the game has been dissappointing so far. Braylon is the main deep threat and I know they don't want to push him, but I thought the might throw some medium deep passes to winslow.(about 20yards downfield)Everything is dink and dunk.Do you think they are just not showing anything, possibly worried about the lines ability to hold for longer routes,or worried about Frye's ability to throw downfield.Or worst case scenerio is that this will be Carthons game plan.
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i have no idea what their plans are, but it wouldn't suprise me if they do plan on running the dink and dunk.they seem very focused on the defense, and i think they want to play a ball control offense.
 
WKNR's Greg Brinda just predicted the Browns will go 6-10 this year and seemed resigned to a long season.

This guy is terrible at predictions. For example, he predicted the Indians to win the world series this year. He is a great "analyst" to fade.

Now if we can just get Kenny Roda to be pessimistic, the Browns are going 8-8 at least!

 
BGP said:
WKNR's Greg Brinda just predicted the Browns will go 6-10 this year and seemed resigned to a long season.This guy is terrible at predictions. For example, he predicted the Indians to win the world series this year. He is a great "analyst" to fade.Now if we can just get Kenny Roda to be pessimistic, the Browns are going 8-8 at least!
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This town has turned me into the ultimate sports pessimist.However, I agree with Brinda on this one. The Browns are in for a long year....again. :kicksrock:
 
wadegarrett said:
BGP said:
WKNR's Greg Brinda just predicted the Browns will go 6-10 this year and seemed resigned to a long season.This guy is terrible at predictions. For example, he predicted the Indians to win the world series this year. He is a great "analyst" to fade.Now if we can just get Kenny Roda to be pessimistic, the Browns are going 8-8 at least!
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This town has turned me into the ultimate sports pessimist.However, I agree with Brinda on this one. The Browns are in for a long year....again. :kicksrock:
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i have a hard time believing that defense isn't going to keep the Browns in a lot of games this year.of course, doesn't mean they're going to win them. :unsure:
 
amnesiac said:
wadegarrett said:
BGP said:
WKNR's Greg Brinda just predicted the Browns will go 6-10 this year and seemed resigned to a long season.This guy is terrible at predictions. For example, he predicted the Indians to win the world series this year. He is a great "analyst" to fade.Now if we can just get Kenny Roda to be pessimistic, the Browns are going 8-8 at least!
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This town has turned me into the ultimate sports pessimist.However, I agree with Brinda on this one. The Browns are in for a long year....again. :kicksrock:
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i have a hard time believing that defense isn't going to keep the Browns in a lot of games this year.of course, doesn't mean they're going to win them. :unsure:
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Do even the most ardent of Browns homers believe they'll escape the basement in their own division? PIT, CIN, BAL are all very good.
 
H.K. said:
amnesiac said:
wadegarrett said:
BGP said:
WKNR's Greg Brinda just predicted the Browns will go 6-10 this year and seemed resigned to a long season.This guy is terrible at predictions. For example, he predicted the Indians to win the world series this year. He is a great "analyst" to fade.Now if we can just get Kenny Roda to be pessimistic, the Browns are going 8-8 at least!
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This town has turned me into the ultimate sports pessimist.However, I agree with Brinda on this one. The Browns are in for a long year....again. :kicksrock:
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i have a hard time believing that defense isn't going to keep the Browns in a lot of games this year.of course, doesn't mean they're going to win them. :unsure:
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Do even the most ardent of Browns homers believe they'll escape the basement in their own division? PIT, CIN, BAL are all very good.
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ask chris 1969, he seems to be the most optimistic of the bunch.
 
wadegarrett said:
BGP said:
WKNR's Greg Brinda just predicted the Browns will go 6-10 this year and seemed resigned to a long season.This guy is terrible at predictions. For example, he predicted the Indians to win the world series this year. He is a great "analyst" to fade.Now if we can just get Kenny Roda to be pessimistic, the Browns are going 8-8 at least!
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This town has turned me into the ultimate sports pessimist.However, I agree with Brinda on this one. The Browns are in for a long year....again. :kicksrock:
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The number of things Brinda and Roda get wrong is staggering - the thng is that the nature of a talk show is that no-one challenges them.These guys ripped on Belichick constantly while he was here. Even now that he's won three super bowls, they just act like its a fluke when they discuss it.Its also hilarious how they mercilessly ripped Butch Davis because when he made Holcomb the starter over Couch for game 1 of 2003, Davis said it was a "gut feeling". They used that term as a total punchline for about 2 years until Crennel, who they respected, described a major decision he made early on as a "gut feeling". I think there was dead air for about 10 seconds when they first heard the clip. They didn't know what to do - they had trained their audience to think "gut feeling" was bad. So nowadays they actually use the term "gut feeling" themselves in a good way. :lmao: Its going to be funny when they are proven wrong about Butch Davis as well. Any honest assessment of the guy is that he only had ONE healthy team in his 4 years here - and he went 9-7 and made the playoffs. The 2003 and 2004 clubs were devastated by injuries. Still, Butch Davis products like CB Leigh Bodden, Sean Jones, and K2 probably will become playmakers for this team. The guy built the U of Miami franchise back up.The problem is that he learned his coaching style from Jimmy Johnson. He's going to be a control freak. That's what he knows wins. But partly for that reason, he'll rub the media the wrong way. Belichick rubbed the media the wrong way, too. But in the end, Butch Davis will probably be a big winner in the NFL.
 
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H.K. said:
amnesiac said:
wadegarrett said:
BGP said:
WKNR's Greg Brinda just predicted the Browns will go 6-10 this year and seemed resigned to a long season.This guy is terrible at predictions. For example, he predicted the Indians to win the world series this year. He is a great "analyst" to fade.Now if we can just get Kenny Roda to be pessimistic, the Browns are going 8-8 at least!
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This town has turned me into the ultimate sports pessimist.However, I agree with Brinda on this one. The Browns are in for a long year....again. :kicksrock:
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i have a hard time believing that defense isn't going to keep the Browns in a lot of games this year.of course, doesn't mean they're going to win them. :unsure:
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Do even the most ardent of Browns homers believe they'll escape the basement in their own division? PIT, CIN, BAL are all very good.
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Anything is possible. I think people are giving Balt too much credit this year. There D is going to be good and McNair is much better than Bowler however that oline is getting old and looked weak at times last year. Ogden is looking slow agian and may just get McNair killed by week 3 or 4.I think the Browns and Baltimore battle it out for the basement while Cin and Pit fight for the division.
 
schaef2k said:
H.K. said:
amnesiac said:
wadegarrett said:
BGP said:
WKNR's Greg Brinda just predicted the Browns will go 6-10 this year and seemed resigned to a long season.This guy is terrible at predictions. For example, he predicted the Indians to win the world series this year. He is a great "analyst" to fade.Now if we can just get Kenny Roda to be pessimistic, the Browns are going 8-8 at least!
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This town has turned me into the ultimate sports pessimist.However, I agree with Brinda on this one. The Browns are in for a long year....again. :kicksrock:
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i have a hard time believing that defense isn't going to keep the Browns in a lot of games this year.of course, doesn't mean they're going to win them. :unsure:
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Do even the most ardent of Browns homers believe they'll escape the basement in their own division? PIT, CIN, BAL are all very good.
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Anything is possible. I think people are giving Balt too much credit this year. There D is going to be good and McNair is much better than Bowler however that oline is getting old and looked weak at times last year. Ogden is looking slow agian and may just get McNair killed by week 3 or 4.I think the Browns and Baltimore battle it out for the basement while Cin and Pit fight for the division.
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My view of the AFC North:Bengals - added some pieces in the draft and free agency while not losing talent.Ravens - made personnel improvements.Browns - made lots of personnel improvements.Steelers - LOST a lot of key personnel to retirements and free agency.I think its very difficult to win a division when you are the only club that got worse while the other 3 clubs improved. How far do the Steelers fall? They've only had 3 losing seasons under Cowher (98, 99, 03). They should contend for a wild card. I'd make the Bengals the division favorites right now.
 
The problem with a competitive division like the AFC North is that its also difficult to figure out who finishes last. With 4 potentially good clubs, it comes down to fluke things - injuries and the like - that become the difference-maker.

The Browns make sense as the odds-on choice to be the last place club. However, the Browns are probably good enough such that if any of the other 3 clubs run into some trouble, the Browns finish in third.

We just don't know which club it will be.

 
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ok, Suggs and Jackson are cut. that was kind of expected.

Fraley is signed, this is good, but after looking at the trade, why couldn't they have gotten that done four weeks ago? :confused:

also, Ross Tucker, who has been the starter all preseason, is cut? huh? why not keep him as the backup?

and Oshinowo is cut! i guess preseason really doesn't mean anything, i thought he looked really good! obviously, they'll try to sign him to the practice squad, but he has to clear waivers first, right?

 
amnesiac said:
H.K. said:
amnesiac said:
wadegarrett said:
BGP said:
WKNR's Greg Brinda just predicted the Browns will go 6-10 this year and seemed resigned to a long season.

This guy is terrible at predictions. For example, he predicted the Indians to win the world series this year. He is a great "analyst" to fade.

Now if we can just get Kenny Roda to be pessimistic, the Browns are going 8-8 at least!
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This town has turned me into the ultimate sports pessimist.However, I agree with Brinda on this one. The Browns are in for a long year....again. :kicksrock:
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i have a hard time believing that defense isn't going to keep the Browns in a lot of games this year.of course, doesn't mean they're going to win them. :unsure:
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Do even the most ardent of Browns homers believe they'll escape the basement in their own division? PIT, CIN, BAL are all very good.
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ask chris 1969, he seems to be the most optimistic of the bunch.
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It may take a 7-9 record to escape the basement of our division. Although that is possible, too many things would have to come together for that to happen for the Browns. The only way I see us higher than 4th in the division this year is if one of the other team's QB gets hurt. But if we finish 6-10 and still take 4th, I'd be happy as long as the young players improve. To compete in our division, you have to be able to run and stop the run. The Browns will do both of those things this year as well as anybody else in the division.
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ok, Suggs and Jackson are cut. that was kind of expected.

Fraley is signed, this is good, but after looking at the trade, why couldn't they have gotten that done four weeks ago? :confused:

also, Ross Tucker, who has been the starter all preseason, is cut? huh? why not keep him as the backup?

and Oshinowo is cut! i guess preseason really doesn't mean anything, i thought he looked really good! obviously, they'll try to sign him to the practice squad, but he has to clear waivers first, right?
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It takes 2 to trade and maybe Philly was just trying to get as much as they could and then settled for Phil's offer right before they were going to cut Fraley.They'll try to sign Ross Tucker to the practice squad now that they have Fraley. That way they don't have to give up a draft choice and they can groom him to be Bentley's back-up next year.

Baba got cut because he's not big enough to play NT yet. I posted a prediction about him maybe moving to DE in the Browns vs Lions preseason thread. If anyone signs him it would have to be as a traditional DT or a 3-4 DE, if not he'll go to the practice squad and bulk up or move to DE. I kinda saw this one coming. He played great except he could not occupy 2 blockers and that's a NT's main job.

 
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BGP said:
schaef2k said:
H.K. said:
amnesiac said:
wadegarrett said:
BGP said:
WKNR's Greg Brinda just predicted the Browns will go 6-10 this year and seemed resigned to a long season.

This guy is terrible at predictions. For example, he predicted the Indians to win the world series this year. He is a great "analyst" to fade.

Now if we can just get Kenny Roda to be pessimistic, the Browns are going 8-8 at least!
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This town has turned me into the ultimate sports pessimist.However, I agree with Brinda on this one. The Browns are in for a long year....again. :kicksrock:
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i have a hard time believing that defense isn't going to keep the Browns in a lot of games this year.of course, doesn't mean they're going to win them. :unsure:
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Do even the most ardent of Browns homers believe they'll escape the basement in their own division? PIT, CIN, BAL are all very good.
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Anything is possible. I think people are giving Balt too much credit this year. There D is going to be good and McNair is much better than Bowler however that oline is getting old and looked weak at times last year. Ogden is looking slow agian and may just get McNair killed by week 3 or 4.I think the Browns and Baltimore battle it out for the basement while Cin and Pit fight for the division.
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My view of the AFC North:Bengals - added some pieces in the draft and free agency while not losing talent.

Ravens - made personnel improvements.

Browns - made lots of personnel improvements.

Steelers - LOST a lot of key personnel to retirements and free agency.

I think its very difficult to win a division when you are the only club that got worse while the other 3 clubs improved. How far do the Steelers fall? They've only had 3 losing seasons under Cowher (98, 99, 03). They should contend for a wild card. I'd make the Bengals the division favorites right now.
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:lmao: No clue.
 
chris1969 said:
amnesiac said:
H.K. said:
amnesiac said:
wadegarrett said:
BGP said:
WKNR's Greg Brinda just predicted the Browns will go 6-10 this year and seemed resigned to a long season.

This guy is terrible at predictions. For example, he predicted the Indians to win the world series this year. He is a great "analyst" to fade.

Now if we can just get Kenny Roda to be pessimistic, the Browns are going 8-8 at least!
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This town has turned me into the ultimate sports pessimist.However, I agree with Brinda on this one. The Browns are in for a long year....again. :kicksrock:
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i have a hard time believing that defense isn't going to keep the Browns in a lot of games this year.of course, doesn't mean they're going to win them. :unsure:
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Do even the most ardent of Browns homers believe they'll escape the basement in their own division? PIT, CIN, BAL are all very good.
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ask chris 1969, he seems to be the most optimistic of the bunch.
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It may take a 7-9 record to escape the basement of our division. Although that is possible, too many things would have to come together for that to happen for the Browns. The only way I see us higher than 4th in the division this year is if one of the other team's QB gets hurt. But if we finish 6-10 and still take 4th, I'd be happy as long as the young players improve. To compete in our division, you have to be able to run and stop the run. The Browns will do both of those things this year as well as anybody else in the division.
amnesiac said:
:loco:

ok, Suggs and Jackson are cut. that was kind of expected.

Fraley is signed, this is good, but after looking at the trade, why couldn't they have gotten that done four weeks ago? :confused:

also, Ross Tucker, who has been the starter all preseason, is cut? huh? why not keep him as the backup?

and Oshinowo is cut! i guess preseason really doesn't mean anything, i thought he looked really good! obviously, they'll try to sign him to the practice squad, but he has to clear waivers first, right?
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It takes 2 to trade and maybe Philly was just trying to get as much as they could and then settled for Phil's offer right before they were going to cut Fraley.They'll try to sign Ross Tucker to the practice squad now that they have Fraley. That way they don't have to give up a draft choice and they can groom him to be Bentley's back-up next year.

Baba got cut because he's not big enough to play NT yet. I posted a prediction about him maybe moving to DE in the Browns vs Lions preseason thread. If anyone signs him it would have to be as a traditional DT or a 3-4 DE, if not he'll go to the practice squad and bulk up or move to DE. I kinda saw this one coming. He played great except he could not occupy 2 blockers and that's a NT's main job.
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Tucker is not eligible for the practice squad.
 
Irish said:
chris1969 said:
amnesiac said:
H.K. said:
amnesiac said:
wadegarrett said:
BGP said:
WKNR's Greg Brinda just predicted the Browns will go 6-10 this year and seemed resigned to a long season.

This guy is terrible at predictions. For example, he predicted the Indians to win the world series this year. He is a great "analyst" to fade.

Now if we can just get Kenny Roda to be pessimistic, the Browns are going 8-8 at least!
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This town has turned me into the ultimate sports pessimist.However, I agree with Brinda on this one. The Browns are in for a long year....again. :kicksrock:
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i have a hard time believing that defense isn't going to keep the Browns in a lot of games this year.of course, doesn't mean they're going to win them. :unsure:
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Do even the most ardent of Browns homers believe they'll escape the basement in their own division? PIT, CIN, BAL are all very good.
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ask chris 1969, he seems to be the most optimistic of the bunch.
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It may take a 7-9 record to escape the basement of our division. Although that is possible, too many things would have to come together for that to happen for the Browns. The only way I see us higher than 4th in the division this year is if one of the other team's QB gets hurt. But if we finish 6-10 and still take 4th, I'd be happy as long as the young players improve. To compete in our division, you have to be able to run and stop the run. The Browns will do both of those things this year as well as anybody else in the division.
amnesiac said:
:loco:

ok, Suggs and Jackson are cut. that was kind of expected.

Fraley is signed, this is good, but after looking at the trade, why couldn't they have gotten that done four weeks ago? :confused:

also, Ross Tucker, who has been the starter all preseason, is cut? huh? why not keep him as the backup?

and Oshinowo is cut! i guess preseason really doesn't mean anything, i thought he looked really good! obviously, they'll try to sign him to the practice squad, but he has to clear waivers first, right?
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It takes 2 to trade and maybe Philly was just trying to get as much as they could and then settled for Phil's offer right before they were going to cut Fraley.They'll try to sign Ross Tucker to the practice squad now that they have Fraley. That way they don't have to give up a draft choice and they can groom him to be Bentley's back-up next year.

Baba got cut because he's not big enough to play NT yet. I posted a prediction about him maybe moving to DE in the Browns vs Lions preseason thread. If anyone signs him it would have to be as a traditional DT or a 3-4 DE, if not he'll go to the practice squad and bulk up or move to DE. I kinda saw this one coming. He played great except he could not occupy 2 blockers and that's a NT's main job.
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Tucker is not eligible for the practice squad.
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What's the rule on that? I thought it was just that you couldn't be on the PS for more than 2 seasons.
 
amnesiac said:
Spiderman said:
BGP said:
Look at the playmakers on this club:WinslowEdwardsDroughnsWimbleyA. DavisD'QwellBoddenNot bad guys.
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If Winslow and Edwards are Cleveland's top playmaker's, aren't they in trouble ?
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i guess i can see your point that they are not proven producers, but they haven't proven themselves to be busts either. :shrug:
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I wouldn't call them busts either, but I'd say expecting big numbers from either may be a bit much to ask for considering that they are both coming off major injuries.
 
Tucker is not eligible for the practice squad.

What's the rule on that? I thought it was just that you couldn't be on the PS for more than 2 seasons.

I'm pretty sure the rule is that a player cannot have more than 2 yrs experience in the NFL to be eligible for the practice squad. I'll try and look it up to verify.

 
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Teams were notified during a conference call this week that rules regarding practice- squad eligibility have been altered.

Previously, a player only could land on that reserve list for two seasons; now, a third year has been added. A player can't return to the practice squad in the third season if he appears in one regular-season game.

The regular-season limits are three games in the first two seasons in order to retain practice-squad eligibility.

 
chris1969 said:
Baba got cut because he's not big enough to play NT yet. I posted a prediction about him maybe moving to DE in the Browns vs Lions preseason thread. If anyone signs him it would have to be as a traditional DT or a 3-4 DE, if not he'll go to the practice squad and bulk up or move to DE. I kinda saw this one coming. He played great except he could not occupy 2 blockers and that's a NT's main job.
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Oshinowo was signed to the practice squad. :thumbup: i posted somewhere recently a similar take on him, not big enough for the NT job, and that they may be able to move him to end. that was why i was suprised they cut him, i figured they would be able to use him somewhere. i expect we'll be seeing him on the team next year.i guess the Browns signed an OL (RT from the Lions last year, should provide some OL depth) and i think a DT off of waivers.
 
How good is Harrison going to be? He is on the bubble for my dynasty team and need input on what his role is going to be. TIA

 
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FunkyPlutos said:
How good is Harrison going to be? He is on the bubble for my dynasty team and need input on what his role is going to be. TIA
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I don't think that he'll ever be a 20 carry back, but the kid has some playmaking skills. On a team short on playmakers, they will utilize Harrison to makes some big plays for them. I could see a lot of screen passes or dump off passes and draw plays to get him out into space to create big plays.
 
Today's Update:

I've been too busy today to check out the latest. We all know now about the cuts. The Browns got the Eagles backup center, and from what I've read this guy is better than last year's starting center, Jeff Faine.

The bottom line is the center position in 2006 has been upgraded. This is a better OL than the one we had in 2005.

 
BGP said:
Today's Update:I've been too busy today to check out the latest. We all know now about the cuts. The Browns got the Eagles backup center, and from what I've read this guy is better than last year's starting center, Jeff Faine.The bottom line is the center position in 2006 has been upgraded. This is a better OL than the one we had in 2005.
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Took Droughns in my draft. :boxing:
 
A caught just a bit of sportsradio KNR morning radio host Greg Brinda today. Its real interesting to observe his thought process when a caller questioned him:

caller: if the Browns had gotten Fraley this offseason instead of Bentley, would you have been happy?

Brinda: Yes.

caller: Would you now say this OL is better than last year?

Brinda: Yes.

caller: Has the DL been dramatically improved this offseason?

Brinda: Yes.

caller: Has the linebacking gotten better this year?

Brinda: Yes.

caller: Have the receiving corps been improved this year?

Brinda: Yes.

Brinda realizes all of this. And yet, he still is extremely hesitant to follow all of this to the conclusion that this could be a decent club this year and might surprise a lot of people.

 
Some thoughts regarding William Green and his trip the IR list:

"NFL teams are not allowed to cut a player who is injured (without an injury settlement), that's why I think he is really hurt. He was inactive for the final pre-season game and I am getting the impression he is really hurt now. If he wasn't hurt I think the Browns would just cut him but if he has an injury his agent could file a greivance saying he was cut while hurt which could just get ugly...so the Browns IR him so he does not take up a spot on the 53 man roster while they negotiate an injury settlement. "

:shrug:

Also heard on KNR tonite:

+ RB William Green has two options. The first option is he can negotiate an injury settlement with the club. The advantage for the Browns is that they won't have to pay Green first-round money and they can possibly resign him at a reduced rate more fitting for a backup RB. The advantage for Green is that he becomes a free agent and has a chance to play in 2006. The second option is he stays on IR for all of 2006. William Green gets paid his full 2006 salary, but he will not play until 2007, which of course can hurt him if he gets cut in 2007 and tries to make a club elsewhere.

+ I haven't really talked about 2006 6th round draft pick FB Lawrence Vickers. The Browns see him as a possible short-yardage and goal line specialist. He also has shown great hands out of the backfield, making him possibly even more valuable at the goal line.

+ CB Gary Baxter practiced on monday. That's good news because we need him opposite CB Bodden back there. The club said they are "hopeful" he can play - keep an eye on the injury report to see his status.

 
wadegarrett said:
Browns cut William Green this morning as part of an injury settlement agreement.

Good riddance.
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Reposting my thoughts from another thread:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/game...eeWi01.htm#2002

As a rookie, RB William Green became the full-time starter for the Browns in week 11 of 2002. The Browns, 4-5 at the time, went 5-2 the rest of the season to finish as a winning team at 9-7 (and making the playoffs). From week 11 on, Green was a workhorse, rushing 172 times for 726 yards for 4.2 yards per carry and 5 touchdowns.

He ran hard that year. Since then, he has looked very tenative and indecisive carrying the ball. Reports from the 2006 training camp say that he has looked outstanding in practice but then not very good at all in games.

I remember Green's 2002 season. Green looked absolutely horrible until week 11. He rushed 71 times for 151 yards, 2.1 ypc. It wasn't until the Browns' coaching staff decided to just feed him the ball 20+ times that he exploded. That's what he is - he is NOT an RBBC back. If you feed him the ball a lot, he finds his rhythm and becomes a stud. The Browns probably are making a mistake by essentially letting him go - but I can understand it since this staff never will give him that many carries so they don't know what he can do. Then again, I doubt any other club will give him that sort of opportunity, either, since he's one strike away from a one-year suspension for drugs. Its really the drug issue that's killing his career, imho.

 
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