This could be the steal of the season. #freejoshgordonWas traded straight up for Denard this week. a RB desperate team looking for lightning in a bottle, I guess.
The best (and possibly the creepiest) post in the history of the Shark Pool. Thank you for this piece of heaven.Im getting a boner, is about all.
Week 12 cant come soon enough
Now that seems like a good deal for both sidesHad him in several leagues. Traded him in 1 league 2 days ago. League is dynasty, ppr. Gave Gordon, Allen hurns and my 2015 1st. I'm currently 5-1. Got Odell Beckham, Jordan Mathews, and Jerrick Mckinnon. I have solid starting wr's but could really use the depth.
This is a completely reasonable statement. Gordon can carry your playoff team to a title ... but for that to happen you have to, you know, make the playoffs.Teams that have been holding Gordon but have an outside shot at the playoffs need to look into moving him soon.
Good deal for all.Now that seems like a good deal for both sidesHad him in several leagues. Traded him in 1 league 2 days ago. League is dynasty, ppr. Gave Gordon, Allen hurns and my 2015 1st. I'm currently 5-1. Got Odell Beckham, Jordan Mathews, and Jerrick Mckinnon. I have solid starting wr's but could really use the depth.
I thought that would be the thought process. You dont hold a guy for two months and then give him away for nothing. So what would you consider solid? I have depth so I was thinking about sending a low RB1/high RB2 in addition to a low end WR2/highWR3 with upside.I've been holding Gordon since the announcement was made like week 2 that he'll be back in week 12.
I have Calvin and D. Thomas so I can afford to trade him as we get closer to week 12.
I would want a solid player in return for last year's #1 WR. Especially since I've been holding him so long.
If you were currently a 3-4 team in danger of missing the playoffs, what good does sitting on a guy for another month? Once he comes back if you are out of contention, he does you no good. In addition, week 10 has crippled alot of teams as far as bye weeks. If you can give value (which I am trying to gague) and help the team improve for the next month, why wouldn't you trade him?isnt the point of FF to win the playoffs?
so why the hell would you even CONSIDER trading him away?
In both league the Gordon owners are 3-4. I look at their teams and don't know if I would consider them likely to make the playoffs. The RB I would trade him would start every week for him in my mind. The WR would at least give him a decision to make at flex every week and help in the bye.Are both players going to be starting for the Gordon team? How many teams, what's their records, does the Gordon team have a team that can win consistently in your league, is the sense that they have a good shot 50/50 to make the playoffs? All this plays into the value of Gordon.
If the team thinks they really don't have a chance to win weekly they likely will let him go for less. In my mind I am not letting him go in either of my leagues for less than WR1 value. Look at your top 5 WR and what it would take to get them is what it would take to get Gordon. Actually its very similar to Calvin Johnson and AJ Green value as both of those players are actually banged up but might come back sooner.
In my opinion, that was a steal. I think I am offering more than that. Seems like there is going to be a huge variance in value. I would not have dreamed he would go for that little. I think I would have given any of your backs listed except Murray.I'm 5-2 in a league but needed WR help. A 3-4 team offered me Gordon for Tre Mason. I already have Murray, Bradshaw, Lacy, and Ingram so I accepted the offer.
"If" values and related performance hold to last season, it's nearing the point of trading for a hobbled Megatron in trying to acquire Gordon now.Just my guess but I think that generally most people with Gordon view him as a WR1 a month away from playing. If you find a team that is in a battle for a playoff spot and they are battling some injuries that they might be willing to part with him for a WR2 type player plus a swap of another player that helps improve them some. I don't see Gordon coming very cheaply from teams that have been holding him for weeks already.
I guess I am viewing this similar to a draft. He is going to miss about the first half of the season remaining. If you knew Calvin, AJ, etc were GUARANTEED to miss half the season, you would not value them the same as you did not knowthing the future, except in this case with Gordon, we do. I can't see setting his value as high as Calvin who, in my opinion, misses no more than one more game plus his bye week. 2/9ths ( and possibly just his bye week). Where you know for certain that Gordon is going to miss 4/9ths of the season, granted the 5 games he will play are very important."If" values and related performance hold to last season, it's nearing the point of trading for a hobbled Megatron in trying to acquire Gordon now.Just my guess but I think that generally most people with Gordon view him as a WR1 a month away from playing. If you find a team that is in a battle for a playoff spot and they are battling some injuries that they might be willing to part with him for a WR2 type player plus a swap of another player that helps improve them some. I don't see Gordon coming very cheaply from teams that have been holding him for weeks already.
I see the value now nearing that point, in that you're trading for a player someone invested a very high pick in for redraft who has been held back by injury (Calvin), compared against someone who has been held back by suspension via violation of league drug policy (Gordon).
Both players come with built-in risk: How much the injury lingers (Calvin) and how much rust needs to be shaken off (Gordon). We know the upside of both players, when performing at 100%. Calvin has just clearly done it for longer, so he's going to cost more. But, we're starting to near a point, based upon 2014 season situations, where the market values for both shouldn't be too, too far from one another for the 2014 stretch run based upon my above points.
100% with you in terms of draft vs. now point-in-time. But, here we are.I guess I am viewing this similar to a draft. He is going to miss about the first half of the season remaining. If you knew Calvin, AJ, etc were GUARANTEED to miss half the season, you would not value them the same as you did not knowthing the future, except in this case with Gordon, we do. I can't see setting his value as high as Calvin who, in my opinion, misses no more than one more game plus his bye week. 2/9ths ( and possibly just his bye week). Where you know for certain that Gordon is going to miss 4/9ths of the season, granted the 5 games he will play are very important."If" values and related performance hold to last season, it's nearing the point of trading for a hobbled Megatron in trying to acquire Gordon now.Just my guess but I think that generally most people with Gordon view him as a WR1 a month away from playing. If you find a team that is in a battle for a playoff spot and they are battling some injuries that they might be willing to part with him for a WR2 type player plus a swap of another player that helps improve them some. I don't see Gordon coming very cheaply from teams that have been holding him for weeks already.
I see the value now nearing that point, in that you're trading for a player someone invested a very high pick in for redraft who has been held back by injury (Calvin), compared against someone who has been held back by suspension via violation of league drug policy (Gordon).
Both players come with built-in risk: How much the injury lingers (Calvin) and how much rust needs to be shaken off (Gordon). We know the upside of both players, when performing at 100%. Calvin has just clearly done it for longer, so he's going to cost more. But, we're starting to near a point, based upon 2014 season situations, where the market values for both shouldn't be too, too far from one another for the 2014 stretch run based upon my above points.
That's what makes trades so hard to get done sometimes. Wildly different opinions about player values. Good points by alot of people. Thank you.
I hope you're right! I'm pretty high on Mason, who I picked up off waivers the week before, but thought I should take the deal given his upcoming schedule and my lack of RB depth.HULLOBUDMAN said:In my opinion, that was a steal. I think I am offering more than that. Seems like there is going to be a huge variance in value. I would not have dreamed he would go for that little. I think I would have given any of your backs listed except Murray.John 14:6 said:I'm 5-2 in a league but needed WR help. A 3-4 team offered me Gordon for Tre Mason. I already have Murray, Bradshaw, Lacy, and Ingram so I accepted the offer.
What would you rather have:HULLOBUDMAN said:I guess I am viewing this similar to a draft. He is going to miss about the first half of the season remaining. If you knew Calvin, AJ, etc were GUARANTEED to miss half the season, you would not value them the same as you did not knowthing the future, except in this case with Gordon, we do. I can't see setting his value as high as Calvin who, in my opinion, misses no more than one more game plus his bye week. 2/9ths ( and possibly just his bye week). Where you know for certain that Gordon is going to miss 4/9ths of the season, granted the 5 games he will play are very important.mquinnjr said:"If" values and related performance hold to last season, it's nearing the point of trading for a hobbled Megatron in trying to acquire Gordon now.Warhogs said:Just my guess but I think that generally most people with Gordon view him as a WR1 a month away from playing. If you find a team that is in a battle for a playoff spot and they are battling some injuries that they might be willing to part with him for a WR2 type player plus a swap of another player that helps improve them some. I don't see Gordon coming very cheaply from teams that have been holding him for weeks already.
I see the value now nearing that point, in that you're trading for a player someone invested a very high pick in for redraft who has been held back by injury (Calvin), compared against someone who has been held back by suspension via violation of league drug policy (Gordon).
Both players come with built-in risk: How much the injury lingers (Calvin) and how much rust needs to be shaken off (Gordon). We know the upside of both players, when performing at 100%. Calvin has just clearly done it for longer, so he's going to cost more. But, we're starting to near a point, based upon 2014 season situations, where the market values for both shouldn't be too, too far from one another for the 2014 stretch run based upon my above points.
That's what makes trades so hard to get done sometimes. Wildly different opinions about player values. Good points by alot of people. Thank you.
I agree this thread is an echo chamber of those high on Gordon. I dont think he's a slam dunk and ive been offered him relatively cheap, but ill stick with Calvin, cobb, sammy over Gordon.My own personal view is that we are at the point in the season where I think Gordon may be over priced already. I would be interested in hearing more trades but I think he would be getting expensive and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Gordon struggle to get in sync with his team.
I'd have taken that deal.I was offered Benjamin for him yesterday in Dynasty. I rejected with little consideration.
Yeah, even under the new rules (as I understand them) another failed drug test is 1 year. Cut and run for Kelvin in a dynasty format in a cocaine heartbeat.I'd have taken that deal.I was offered Benjamin for him yesterday in Dynasty. I rejected with little consideration.
As an owner of both, I would have rejected too. Gordon obviously holds more suspension concerns, but in dynasty, he's higher on my rankings than Benjamin. There's a jumble of great WR's in dynasty that include Calvin, Dez, DT, Julio, and Green. I'd put Gordon with those guys...I would not put Benjamin.I'd have taken that deal.I was offered Benjamin for him yesterday in Dynasty. I rejected with little consideration.
uhh no. If you held him this long, you are way better just riding it out at this point...Teams that have been holding Gordon but have an outside shot at the playoffs need to look into moving him soon.
insane.Yeah, even under the new rules (as I understand them) another failed drug test is 1 year. Cut and run for Kelvin in a dynasty format in a cocaine heartbeat.I'd have taken that deal.I was offered Benjamin for him yesterday in Dynasty. I rejected with little consideration.
I don't see Kelvin far off the mark of those guys - IF he keeps getting better - at some point in the future.insane.Yeah, even under the new rules (as I understand them) another failed drug test is 1 year. Cut and run for Kelvin in a dynasty format in a cocaine heartbeat.I'd have taken that deal.I was offered Benjamin for him yesterday in Dynasty. I rejected with little consideration.
unless you're getting dez, julio, demariyus, you hold gordon in a safer place than your own nuts
Sorry, I do. Those guys are complete WRs. Kelvin is a monster red zone threat but thats about it right now and I dont think he'll ever have the speed to be one of those guys. Right now hes overpowering people but he cant make defenders miss or outrun then. They are in different classes.I don't see Kelvin far off the mark of those guys - IF he keeps getting better - at some point in the future.insane.Yeah, even under the new rules (as I understand them) another failed drug test is 1 year. Cut and run for Kelvin in a dynasty format in a cocaine heartbeat.I'd have taken that deal.I was offered Benjamin for him yesterday in Dynasty. I rejected with little consideration.
unless you're getting dez, julio, demariyus, you hold gordon in a safer place than your own nuts
He comes with a whole lot less risk of being suspended for a season with that future upside than does Gordon.
I like Gordon's potential/talent as much as you, but framed around dynasty as opposed to 2014 re-draft, this is a completely different discussion.