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Posted 01 January 2012 - 09:11 PM

Buh-bye Norv, Buh-bye AJ?? Hello LA? Need a defensive overhaul.

 

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 09:56 AM

Chargers | Are A.J. Smith, Norv Turner safe? Mon Jan 2, 08:45 AM The fates of San Diego Chargers general manager A.J. Smith and head coach Norv Turner may not be decided immediately. Team president Dean Spanos is said to have struggled with what to do about Smith. He has long been a believer in Turner and credits Smith with the bulk of the decisions that have shaped the franchise into a perennial contender. Spanos could decide to keep Smith, yet suggest some changes in how he operates and how the personnel department goes forward. For all his faith in Turner, Spanos might also suggest some changes in how the coach goes about managing a game. Our view: We think Turner is certainly gone, and Smith may also be out the door with him. The Chargers would like to make a run at a coach like Jon Gruden.

I do not like taking time, sounds like the Spanos family is waffling. Norv better be gone. I can see them keeping AJ, but to me his shine is starting to wear off big time. What are they going to do with that Defense???

 

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 10:55 AM

The worst thing they could do is take a considerable amount of time to make a decision. What have they been doing the past couple of months? The decision should be made, and the press conference should be tomorrow to announce it. Norv should be out and they should be putting the full court press on Gruden. I personally think Smith's performance also warrants getting fired, but I don't know as much about how easy it would be to find a quality replacement.

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 01:24 PM

Hey JWB, Rivers mgiht have saved Norv's job

Norv Turner might live to coach another day in San Diego, after all. Lombardi spoke with a Chargers team source who said many people within the organization are behind Turner and would like him to return despite a second consecutive dark January. Team president Dean Spanos has said he’ll closely examine the season as a whole before making any decisions. “I don’t think it’s a slam dunk that Norv Turner is going to get fired,” Lombardi said. “Philip Rivers, the quarterback, wants him back, and I think it’s certainly … when Philip Rivers wants you back, it really works out.” La Canfora believes Rivers has the clout within the organization to save his coach. “Philip Rivers is the franchise, they paid him like a franchise quarterback, he’s played like a franchise quarterback, he attributes a lot of that to Norv Turner’s influence on him,” La Canfora said. “When you really play this forward and how they finish and the role, and the power and command of that franchise quarterback, that can sway ownership.”


 

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 01:26 PM

Chargers | Philip Rivers wants coach to return Mon Jan 2, 01:21 PM San Diego Chargers QB Philip Rivers is lobbying for head coach Norv Turner to return to the team next season.

 

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 03:02 PM

yeah no firing today, IMO means Norv and AJ are back.

 

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 05:32 PM

Kevin Acee's been saying on Twitter that his gut is that Spanos brings them both back.

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 05:41 PM

Kevin Acee's been saying on Twitter that his gut is that Spanos brings them both back.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2012/jan/02/spanos-seems-ready-keep-his-guys-questions-remain/

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 05:53 PM

Kevin Acee's been saying on Twitter that his gut is that Spanos brings them both back.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2012/jan/02/spanos-seems-ready-keep-his-guys-questions-remain/

Wow. They get blown-out in their last must-win game, win a meaningless game, and Spanis might reward them with another chance????

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 08:06 PM

They didn't replace Marty until February, so dragging their feet in avoiding making a decision isn't new to this franchise. They need a change somewhere though. I don't follow them enough to have an opinion on Smith, although his handling on Vincent Jackson and Darren Sproles has been terrible. I do follow them enough to say they lose at least 2 games a year because of their coach and he's got to be the one responsible for thisteam always struggling before Thanksgiving.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 06:40 AM

Wouldn't be too horrified if Norv and AJ come back. The more I think about it, the more I think their losses were O line, injury related. What I really want is new defensive coordinator!

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 07:54 AM

They both need to go. The organization needs a complete change of culture starting from the top. Please send Norv and AJ packing.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 08:37 AM

Oh boy. I'm thinking Spanos isn't the best guy to have owning an NFL team. Seemingly very wishy-washy/indecisive. I hope he can make up his mind this time before all the prime candidates are already hired - unlike 2007. For sure a new DC at least. I have no clue who that will be.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 08:40 AM

Over the last 3 years, the Chargers are 1 game over .500. Eventually you can't make enough excuses to justify considering this team as anything but mediocre. How can you keep your existing top level in place given that reality?

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 08:58 AM

True....but they are one fumbled snap (vs KC) or one Chicago not running out of bounds (Chic v Denver) play from being the #4 seed in playoffs. I think they might have made some noise in playoffs as they could likely beat Cinci, Houston, Baltimore.....but not Pit, NE

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 10:33 AM

I don't know a single fan that wants Norv back and they are all pretty adamant about it. If Spanos brings him back I think he's taking a big risk with the fans. It's not like Norv hasn't been given a fair shake and this is a standard fan knee-jerk reaction. He's had his shot and he's blown it. It's time to move on. If Rivers wanted Norv to stay perhaps he should have played better and saved his job that way.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 11:40 AM

Jason La Canfora just tweeted: Chargers announce Norv Turner and AJ Smith will be back.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 11:59 AM

If they get a new d coordinator and AJ can some how come up with a few pass rushers this offseason they will be fine, easier said then done based on his last few offseasons. The offense is fine but health will always be a question

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:18 PM

Jason La Canfora just tweeted: Chargers announce Norv Turner and AJ Smith will be back.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jan/03/chargers-retain-turner-smith/ :cry:

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:35 PM

:loco: Like I've said before, the real problem with the Chargers is ownership. Seems like they're letting the inmates run the asylum.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:37 PM

this f'n blows....

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:38 PM

If they get a new d coordinator and AJ can some how come up with a few pass rushers this offseason they will be fine, easier said then done based on his last few offseasons. The offense is fine but health will always be a question

Agreed. I think if they can get some Def playmakers (other than Weddle), move Jammer to safety, and get a better def coordinator.....they will win AFC West next year....

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:40 PM

If they get a new d coordinator and AJ can some how come up with a few pass rushers this offseason they will be fine, easier said then done based on his last few offseasons. The offense is fine but health will always be a question

Agreed. I think if they can get some Def playmakers (other than Weddle), move Jammer to safety, and get a better def coordinator.....they will win AFC West next year....

They weren't exactly lights out against the run either. The defensive front 7 is not good. Unless they come up with a stud NT they need to abandon the 3-4.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:41 PM

Over the last 3 years, the Chargers are 1 game over .500. Eventually you can't make enough excuses to justify considering this team as anything but mediocre. How can you keep your existing top level in place given that reality?

8-8
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13-3

30-18....

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:53 PM


Over the last 3 years, the Chargers are 1 game over .500. Eventually you can't make enough excuses to justify considering this team as anything but mediocre. How can you keep your existing top level in place given that reality?

8-8
9-7
13-3

30-18....


Sorry. Last 2 years.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:01 PM



Over the last 3 years, the Chargers are 1 game over .500. Eventually you can't make enough excuses to justify considering this team as anything but mediocre. How can you keep your existing top level in place given that reality?

8-8
9-7
13-3

30-18....


Sorry. Last 2 years.

wasn't a dig, but had me wondering....

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:03 PM

CMON MAN!!!! Wow. What is it going to take?

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:09 PM

CMON MAN!!!! Wow. What is it going to take?

I think one more year with Norv and AJ is warranted. Getting a new coach and GM means 2- 4 year rebuild. New system, new FA, etc. I think this team is close...and window is closing. I have more optimism with some continuity than getting a whole new makeover. If they are not competitive next year...then sell the farm.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:12 PM




Over the last 3 years, the Chargers are 1 game over .500. Eventually you can't make enough excuses to justify considering this team as anything but mediocre. How can you keep your existing top level in place given that reality?

8-8
9-7
13-3

30-18....


Sorry. Last 2 years.

wasn't a dig, but had me wondering....

2008 was also 8-8... and due to the Jets loss in 2009 overshadowing the 13 wins that season, I can see where the confusion set in.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:43 PM

season ticket holders should revolt by not renewing....give them what they want and move them to the armpit that is, los angeles...

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:52 PM




Over the last 3 years, the Chargers are 1 game over .500. Eventually you can't make enough excuses to justify considering this team as anything but mediocre. How can you keep your existing top level in place given that reality?

8-8
9-7
13-3

30-18....


Sorry. Last 2 years.

wasn't a dig, but had me wondering....

No problem, thanks for catching that.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 02:32 PM

Sounds like Dean was turned down by the coaches and/or GM's he was interested in. I expect the Chargers will force Norv to add one or two coaches to his staff that they would be comfortable with as an interim coach, and Norv's leash will be really, really short next year.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 03:36 PM

Sounds like Dean was turned down by the coaches and/or GM's he was interested in.

Where are you hearing that?

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 03:45 PM

CMON MAN!!!! Wow. What is it going to take?

I think one more year with Norv and AJ is warranted. Getting a new coach and GM means 2- 4 year rebuild. New system, new FA, etc. I think this team is close...and window is closing. I have more optimism with some continuity than getting a whole new makeover. If they are not competitive next year...then sell the farm.

are you kidding? That Defense is terrible, LBs? stink. DL? a joke. Secondary? did you see Jammer and Cason this year? We gave weddle the farm. Ugh not to mention the OL has to be rebuilt oh and add in that Vjas/Mathews and Gates cant stay healthy This division sucks, down right sucks and the chargers are middling at 8-8. Fire em all and start over guess we have to wait till 2013 though.

 

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 04:16 PM

Interview with Kevin Acee today.

A month ago he expected AJ and Norv to be fired, but as of Sunday he'd changed his mind and is not surprised that they'll be around for another year. The fact that players like Rivers, Gates, Weddle, and Dielman lobbied to keep Norv probably made a difference. Spanos isn't super impressed with the potential replacements who are available this year, so if Spanos ultimately wants to fire AJ and Norv, he'd prefer to wait a season before trying to find their replacements. Acee can't fathom a situation in which defensive coordinator Greg Manusky is retained. He was outcoached in several games this season.
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Posted 03 January 2012 - 04:28 PM

AJ Smith talks to the media.

Two years without the playoffs is unacceptable. He thinks the Chargers are still close to being a perennial playoff team. Injuries have been a factor — not an excuse, just reality. He still believes in coach Turner.
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Posted 03 January 2012 - 04:34 PM

Interview with Kevin Acee today.

A month ago he expected AJ and Norv to be fired, but as of Sunday he'd changed his mind and is not surprised that they'll be around for another year. The fact that players like Rivers, Gates, Weddle, and Dielman lobbied to keep Norv probably made a difference. Spanos isn't super impressed with the potential replacements who are available this year, so if Spanos ultimately wants to fire AJ and Norv, he'd prefer to wait a season before trying to find their replacements. Acee can't fathom a situation in which defensive coordinator Greg Manusky is retained. He was outcoached in several games this season.

What good coaches will be available next offseason that aren't available now? Sounds like he's waiting for someone in particular.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 04:52 PM


Interview with Kevin Acee today.

A month ago he expected AJ and Norv to be fired, but as of Sunday he'd changed his mind and is not surprised that they'll be around for another year. The fact that players like Rivers, Gates, Weddle, and Dielman lobbied to keep Norv probably made a difference. Spanos isn't super impressed with the potential replacements who are available this year, so if Spanos ultimately wants to fire AJ and Norv, he'd prefer to wait a season before trying to find their replacements. Acee can't fathom a situation in which defensive coordinator Greg Manusky is retained. He was outcoached in several games this season.

What good coaches will be available next offseason that aren't available now? Sounds like he's waiting for someone in particular.

Or it's BS. Or he's waiting until he moves the team to LA.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 05:13 PM

I won't be renewing my season tickets. What a joke of an owner.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 05:36 PM

I won't be renewing my season tickets. What a joke of an owner.

They were having problems selling out anyway. #######it I am so pissed off. WTF

 

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 05:45 PM

Interview with Kevin Acee today.

A month ago he expected AJ and Norv to be fired, but as of Sunday he'd changed his mind and is not surprised that they'll be around for another year. The fact that players like Rivers, Gates, Weddle, and Dielman lobbied to keep Norv probably made a difference. Spanos isn't super impressed with the potential replacements who are available this year, so if Spanos ultimately wants to fire AJ and Norv, he'd prefer to wait a season before trying to find their replacements. Acee can't fathom a situation in which defensive coordinator Greg Manusky is retained. He was outcoached in several games this season.

Huh? Guys like Fisher and Gruden aren't impressive? Is Belichick going to be available next year? Jim Harbaugh?

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 06:01 PM

I won't be renewing my season tickets. What a joke of an owner.

They were having problems selling out anyway. #######it I am so pissed off. WTF

:lmao: and I even got a "special" video message from spanos and rivers... I don't give a ####### :rant:

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 06:13 PM

Jesus christ. What a stupid stupid move

 

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 06:37 PM


CMON MAN!!!!


Wow. What is it going to take?

I think one more year with Norv and AJ is warranted. Getting a new coach and GM means 2- 4 year rebuild. New system, new FA, etc. I think this team is close...and window is closing. I have more optimism with some continuity than getting a whole new makeover. If they are not competitive next year...then sell the farm.

Close to what?

But to me security is primary, and has to come before all freedoms.

I don't think I have worked more than 45 hours in a week ever. And most of the time it is a 37 hour week.

I have been saying for some time there was no nuclear weapon program in Iran. How did I know this? Do I have a crystal ball? Do I get insider info from the CIA? No I actually look at what is happening and what people in the know are saying. It's really easy with this new fangled innerwebs thingy. I do the google.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 08:14 AM



CMON MAN!!!!


Wow. What is it going to take?

I think one more year with Norv and AJ is warranted. Getting a new coach and GM means 2- 4 year rebuild. New system, new FA, etc. I think this team is close...and window is closing. I have more optimism with some continuity than getting a whole new makeover. If they are not competitive next year...then sell the farm.

Close to what?

Moving to L.A. and starting over. I can't see that vote for a new stadium passing at this point - can you? You think that's an accident?

Also Spanos saves about $12M in dead front office money by not firing these guys this year.

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 07:56 AM

I won't be renewing my season tickets. What a joke of an owner.

Please don't. I'm currentlyy 13 rows back at ~ the 10 yd line, and I hope to move toward the middle.

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 08:05 AM

Close to what?

C'mon jonessed. Turnarounds in the NFL can happen extremely quickly, especially when you have an elite QB already on board. While the talent level the past couple of seasons has been overrated IMO (another reason why the criticisms of Norv are overblown), a couple impact rookies, an impact FA on defense, and better luck (health, handling snaps) and this team could easily go 11-5/12-4 next year. I wouldn't have been angry if AJ and Norv had been let go, but I didn't see any of the rumored replacements being a significant upgrade. Gruden has been out of the game for a few years now, and while I like Fisher, it's not like he won every year in Hou/Tenn. He rode McNair hard and had success, but he didn't make the playoffs 11/17 yrs. Yet Norv barely misses the playoffs due in large part to horrible luck and you guys are ready to behead him.

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 09:34 AM

Close to what?

C'mon jonessed. Turnarounds in the NFL can happen extremely quickly, especially when you have an elite QB already on board. While the talent level the past couple of seasons has been overrated IMO (another reason why the criticisms of Norv are overblown), a couple impact rookies, an impact FA on defense, and better luck (health, handling snaps) and this team could easily go 11-5/12-4 next year. I wouldn't have been angry if AJ and Norv had been let go, but I didn't see any of the rumored replacements being a significant upgrade. Gruden has been out of the game for a few years now, and while I like Fisher, it's not like he won every year in Hou/Tenn. He rode McNair hard and had success, but he didn't make the playoffs 11/17 yrs. Yet Norv barely misses the playoffs due in large part to horrible luck and you guys are ready to behead him.

Serious question: when was the last time the Chargers added either multiple impact rookies or an impact FA on defense, much less both in one offseason? I agree that the talent on the roster is overrated, but I am apparently a lot more pessimistic than you are about how effectively that will be addressed this offseason.

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 10:15 AM

Close to what?

C'mon jonessed. Turnarounds in the NFL can happen extremely quickly, especially when you have an elite QB already on board. While the talent level the past couple of seasons has been overrated IMO (another reason why the criticisms of Norv are overblown), a couple impact rookies, an impact FA on defense, and better luck (health, handling snaps) and this team could easily go 11-5/12-4 next year. I wouldn't have been angry if AJ and Norv had been let go, but I didn't see any of the rumored replacements being a significant upgrade. Gruden has been out of the game for a few years now, and while I like Fisher, it's not like he won every year in Hou/Tenn. He rode McNair hard and had success, but he didn't make the playoffs 11/17 yrs. Yet Norv barely misses the playoffs due in large part to horrible luck and you guys are ready to behead him.

Serious question: when was the last time the Chargers added either multiple impact rookies or an impact FA on defense, much less both in one offseason? I agree that the talent on the roster is overrated, but I am apparently a lot more pessimistic than you are about how effectively that will be addressed this offseason.

Obviously recent drafts and FA moves haven't produced much, or else we wouldn't be having this discussion. My guess is that the Bolts will be more aggressive in FA due to the urgency of the situation. As far as drafting - who knows, but one of these years a 1st rounder has to be a hit, right? Even Matt Millen gets it right every once and awhile.




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