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I LOVE Nate Davis, but unless both Smith and Hill fall flat on their face (Smith is likely, Hill is less likely but still possible) or get injured he's not going to get an opportunity until at least camp 2010. I had him targetted in my first dyno draft and missed him by one pick, hopefully I'll have more luck in my other dyno draft in July.
Third round seems a little high, but he played well last year and there's no reason to think he can be a quality WR2-WR3 for the next few years. He has improved every season in the league and is now firmly entrenched as a starter with a capable QB throwing him the ball. He should be a solid player for a while.
McKinley could be a find if they let Marshall go. Who's ahead of him? Gaffney, Jackson, and Stokley. None of those should be too much of an obstacle to overcome. He's a great receiver in terms of hands, routes, quickness, ups, body control, etc. However, he lacks a second gear and I read some concerns about his health due to his lanky frame and the hamstring problems he suffered last year. Stroughter's short, competitive, tough, technically sound, has good hands. He's also very elusive, but it's more moves than speed. He lacks separation, deep speed, and size. Because of that, I think his upside's a bit limited, more a useful NFL player than a fantasy one.Anyone have opinions on Kenny McKinley and Sammie Stroughter? They landed in spots that could give them good numbers within the next year or two.But then again, they could get cut so...
Addition to your McKinley commentary - he's not tough, both at the LoS and going across the middle of the field.Addition to your Stroughter commentary - mental weaknesses, had issues dealing with off-the-field adversity pre 2007 and is prone to drops that appear to be caused by lack of focusMcKinley could be a find if they let Marshall go. Who's ahead of him? Gaffney, Jackson, and Stokley. None of those should be too much of an obstacle to overcome. He's a great receiver in terms of hands, routes, quickness, ups, body control, etc. However, he lacks a second gear and I read some concerns about his health due to his lanky frame and the hamstring problems he suffered last year. Stroughter's short, competitive, tough, technically sound, has good hands. He's also very elusive, but it's more moves than speed. He lacks separation, deep speed, and size. Because of that, I think his upside's a bit limited, more a useful NFL player than a fantasy one.Anyone have opinions on Kenny McKinley and Sammie Stroughter? They landed in spots that could give them good numbers within the next year or two.But then again, they could get cut so...
So it will be Schilens and DHB?What are your thoughts on Murphy?
I don't really have too many thoughts on Murphy. I know he was considered their best value on Draft Day, but beyond that, all I know is what I have read in scouting reports. He had cramping issues at the recent minicamp, and missed some practice time because of it, but there wasn't much other news about him. At the recent minicamp, Schilens and DHB lined up as starters. That means little really,but it is better than not, I suppose. Javon Walker snuck off and had a knee surgery, unbeknownst to everyone, so I am pretty much writing him off. Javon said in a recent interview he was at about 65% last year, and had the surgery to clean things up. Yeah, we'll see. If anyone is optimistic that Javon will return to his glory days, then I'd say Schilens' starting spot is in jeopardy, but color me skeptical. It is a long way away, but if I had to guess right now, I'd say it'd be Schilens and DHB, with Higgins in the slot. I am not sure that that is how the catches break down, however. Higgins might wind up with more catches than both of them, as he has proven he can score from anywhere, and also catches the short stuff. A lot of his highlights are him taking short stuff over the middle and just outrunning everyone. I didn't mention him, because Schilens is more of a sleeper, but he's a tough little sonofagun, not just a deep threat. If you look at Schilens'scouting report, he had some eye-popping numbers. 6'4", 210 coming out of SD State, 43"vert, and ran 4.38 at his Pro Day. When the Raiders took him, he was pretty easily dismissed by Raider Nation as another track guy that the scouts threw Al Davis as a late round bone. But he was a 3 year starter for SD State, and his rep since he got to Oakland, and also mentioned in his NFLDS profile, is that of a tireless worker. This is from someone I trust:
Jerry MacDonald mentioned him as having one of the most impressive mini-camps, and from what I read, he had no drops thie entire camp.
Good assessment. I like Schilens and targeted him in my offseason drafts (pre-DHB) as I thought he could emerge as the #1 there. Obviously, things have changed, but I'm glad to have him as a sleeper. A good read on him is here: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/152888-...is-in-his-handsRegarding Murphy, he has good size and speed, acceptable hands, a real downfield threat. I don't see him having the route-running savvy or elusiveness to really excel in any other role, though. I think he'll be used like a pickup game where your entire play is "ok, um, Louis, you run real far and I'll throw it to you." He has a place on an NFL team, but I think he's clearly inferior to the other options in Oakland for fantasy purposes.massraider said:
FYI, Ware weighs 234.
I deserved that; that was poorly written. What I meant to say is that he could be injured and out of football next year. That being said, I like Jacobs' game and think he is a weapon for an NFL team. That is what I get for posting while on a conference call.I still believe Ware to be a good very deep sleeper that could be a last pick
Admittedly, I thought he was the same weight as Brown, and my comments were probably too focused on Bradshaw. Let me rephrase. I think right now, the 1-2 is Jacobs/Bradshaw, as it should be this early in the year. However, if Jacobs goes down--which would seem likely--I think that just like Derrick Ward did, Ware or Brown would step into the role of primary back--not Bradshaw.
I like Wallace and Mitchell the most of that group, I'd consider rostering all of them except for Murphy.
Thanks, those were also the two at the top of my cheat sheet.
Fixed.
Devin Moore gives something the other Seattle backs lack: Speed. I don't think he'd ever start, but he could be a useful CoP back that could score points ala Norwood or Washington, which has some value in deeper leagues.Mike Wallace could beat out Sweed and be the next Nate Washington in that offense. Jason Williams has a spot waiting for him once Brooking demonstrates he isn't good anymore. Byrd could take advantage of the lack of receivers in SD. He was a 3rd-4th round talent, he dropped because of the accident. Stroughter I think will have a small role, but there isn't much ahead of him. Even if he picks up more time, I don't think he'll excel, though. The rest I think have varying degrees of talent, but less of a chance to matter anytime soon.
Agreed here, I think Ware might have something to "say" in the Ward role. He's young and the Giants have been very careful to keep him around.
I don't recall the exact quote but Cable basically said Mitchell would be their week 1 starting strong safety.
I thought I'd mentioned Mitchell, but looking it over I guess I'm on crack. Yes, I agree, Mitchell should win a starting spot.
The question is whether getting Ward at the end of the draft is more valuable than getting Brown many rounds earlier. I feel Ware could do what Ward does.
David Clowney ran as the Jets' starting split end at Thursday's OTA practice, ahead of Brad Smith.Chansi Stuckey was in the slot in three-wide sets. Jerricho Cotchery is the flanker. Clowney lacks Smith's experience, but has far more deep threat potential. We still think Dustin Keller is really the Jets' No. 2 receiver.Source: New York Daily News
I just saw this as well... nice tid-bit here. Interesting to see how this plays out throw the remainder of camp.David Clowney ran as the Jets' starting split end at Thursday's OTA practice, ahead of Brad Smith.Chansi Stuckey was in the slot in three-wide sets. Jerricho Cotchery is the flanker. Clowney lacks Smith's experience, but has far more deep threat potential. We still think Dustin Keller is really the Jets' No. 2 receiver.Source: New York Daily News
yeah i think he and Knox have a good chance to be PPR machines.
Very good point. You know...there was a time when people would not have touched a Cardinal.
Couldn't agree more. Coffee's ranking of #31 (32.1 avg, 35.5 mdn) in the current rookie rankings is ridiculously low for a RB that has very little competition for the #2 spot behind Gore.
for me, Coffee did not strike me as a NFL-type player. I just did not get the feel that he was a guy that could be a viable fantasy player. Now, it is early and anything can happen, but this is why I have him low.
I have Coffee lower because of how much I like Sheets. And downgraded both.But Coffee is was a 3rd round pick. Sheets was a FA not drafted. So maybe I am letting pre nfl draft ideas have too much influence here but I like Sheets as a prospect better than Coffee.This might be flawed thinking because it goes against SF knowing what they are doing.
I have the same feelings. True one might be a 3rd round pick but unless you are a 1 or a 2 when camp starts draft rounds are thrown out the window. The players who pick up the offense faster play. IMO
Bradshaw did not look bad last year. Ware may turn into a great player and so may A. Brown, but people who want to write off Bradshaw haven't seen him play. He's proven he can play in the NFL. He hasn't proven he can be a featured back yet, but he hasn't had the chance. But to say he "played bad" is just plain wrong.
Think Pierre Thomas vs. Antonio Pittman. That being said, they'd probably keep Coffee and Sheets both and drop someone else.
Michael Robinson is staying because of his versatility & special teams. Thomas Clayton is a dog in that 3 headed race. Clayton flashed talent at FSU then Kansas State. He's got just as much talent as those other two which is why Coffee may be generally undervalued. Singletary seems like the type of guy that is going to pick the guy proving it in camp
I liked Nelson before he went to Buffalo. I just don't see where the targets will come from. There is already a shortage with TO being added.
TO is old and he's on a one year deal. I don't think he represents a long term obstacle in Buffalo.
You don't draft a rookie TE with the expectation of results in year one... it's year 2 or 3 that he'll produce, if he is going to produce.
