Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
I think you forgot about two episodes ago when he opened fire on the military group and killed them all. And then lied to the group how they came across the equipment.From Michonne's POV she already questioned him on what took place as she found the bullet holes, etc. I think he has given plenty of reason to not trust him.
I think that's the point. He's not a cookie-cutter villain. He does make a lot of sense with many of the things we see so it's easy to see why the community is following him, perhaps blindly. But we've also seen the dark side so we know there's more at work than meets the eye. It's a great contrast in leadership with Rick. The Governor is all smooth and political and making tons of sense. Meanwhile, Rick's at his emotional abyss. Can't wait for the two of them to collide - which I would imagine will be in the mid-season finale. That would seem to be a natural cliff-hanger.
It's also about resource management. The more people you get the more food you need and you have more waste. Plus more challenges to staying as the leader.I get the feeling that Andrea reminds the Governor of his blonde wife and that's why he's attracted to her. I also have the feeling he'd sacrifice any of the living to protect his zombie daughter. Should make for some good stuff ahead.'roadkill1292 said:
That is a nice juxtaposition....but at the same time I don't feel that Rick (or his crew) have any superior moral high ground in comparison to The Gov. I hate to compare it to the comic (as in that, you knew right off the bat that he was bad)...but you don't even get the sense that if one shows up at the town....you wouldn't be welcomed with more or less open arms.
I think it's intentional too. More realistic to have villains and heroes that are muddled grays than ones in white hats and black hats.
Why that needs to be explained a bit more...I don't think the he wasn't acting in the best interests of his people. I'm sure a fairly large group of armed men (military or not) in that scenario would give most leaders pause. I'm not sure that Rick let's them into the prison.
To be fair to the comic reader though....I think that's what made him that great of a villain.
I see that point of view for sure. I think the big difference is Governor keeps most of the information from the community and when people find the truth it leads them to question his motives. Rick seems to be more open with his people and often asks for their vote/thoughts.
But consider the mediums. Comics are only visual and limited visually as well. It doesn't allow for subtlety due to the limitations of ink and paper and you have to compact events to a few panels.It might be something the comic readers struggle with throughout the show, the whole "that's not what it was like in the books."
This seems about right.'cstu said:I've mostly stopped nitpicking the show but there were things in this episode that were highly questionable. It felt like they crammed way too much into it and glossed over too much. Had they spent less time with the Governor and spread Michonne leaving into the next episode they would have had more time to develop what Rick was going through and the reaction of the group to the deaths. I would have ended the scenes in Woodbury with Michonne being found after killing the caged zombies.'snogger said:'cstu said:Very weird episode...on Talking Dead they mentioned that Greg Nicotero directed it and I remember him directing a bad episode from last season. I don't know how much the writing depends on who the director is but the writing was terrible this week. Digging a grave and filling it back up without a body and without a word from anyone onscreen is ridiculous.'snogger said:'roadkill1292 said:pretty sure she is still out there.. be it alive or, ala Sophia, a zombie ... Very
why they glossed over her for the entire episode, short of the grave.
You cant be a "good guy" anymore... unfortunately Shane figured this out before Rick, but was not able to get it through to him. Now, he's had to learn the hard way.
Well, except for that massacre thingie and that keeping-heads-in-jars thingie.
....and brushing the hair of his little zombie daughter.
In the same time frame Ricks group has lost how many people? A dozen? The Guvnor on the other has built a society where they have the luxury of making ice and throwing parties. During his speech he mention when everything went down he was holed up in a apartment with 9 other people. Rick had just as many if not more a bag full of guns from the police station another trained deputy with him and some other very useful people. Rick pissed that all away, because he was still living in the old world.If Rick was like the Guvnor he would have killed those prisoners like the guvnor killed the National Guards guys. Lori would still be alive so would T-dog and Hershel would still have his leg. It's easy to look at the murder of the military group as wrong, but in the grand scheme of things the Guvnor was protecting his people.
I'm not buying the bolded. You could clearly see teeth in a few of the walkers' mouths, and in the past they've said many times that bites and scratches can infect. Do they expect us to believe that they also pulled all of the walkers fingernails out, or that they just forgot about that little important detail? Anyway it's way too risky for physical interaction with walkers like that, regardless if they have teeth or not.If these fights have been going on, it's completely unfathomable that someone would not have been scratched or bit by now during the fights.
I'm guessing Lt. Welles might have a different view about that.
And how many people do you figure the governor has lost? How many do you figure he has killed.I'm pretty sure both numbers are well over a dozen.
Glenn grabbed that bag from near the tank. It was in Dale's camper and I think in the back of Shane's car at one time.
I liked this episode except for this part. Completely gratuitous, but like I said earlier they now have a zombie quota to fill every week.
'Deranged Hermit said:
It amazes me to read this thread and see people view the governor as basically a good guy. The show has already bludgeoned you over the head with the fact that he's bat-#### crazy. And now we're finally getting the curtain pulled back on what Woodbury is really like. But hey, they've got wine coolers so it's all good.
Andrea snagged it when they were fleeing the farm. She had it when the Mich found her in the woods.
I liked Michonne's chopping the zombie in half from left shoulder to right hip.This episode had some bumps but this season's writing has been infinitely better than the last two.
I must've missed it, what have they shown to make us realize he's crazy?
Starting to think you might be a bit unbalanced too.
All of your responses were awful, but this one in particular was bad. Have you ever seen a movie called The Shining?
Because they haven't bludgeoned you over the head nor have shown what Woodbury is really like.
Didn't they show them pulling teeth out?....or was that just one gold tooth that Merle was taking from a Walker?
It was just the gold tooth.
I suspect an ulterior motive of some sort.
Stay tuned, this is going to get pretty interesting. I think the zombies may be starting to organize and figure out the weaknesses of the Gov'r.
this made me
Ummm...I meant GRAPHIC NOVELS!!!
I guess nobody can know for sure. What we do know is the Guvnor has saved a lot more lives than Rick and it's not even close.
