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well i think, if im understanding it correctly meyerj was a commissioner when this occured so no one was notified.. but i'd think if it wasnt the comission at minimum the commissioner should be notified
The manager explained that the policy changed. Saying that something was changed is not proof. I can prove what the policy currently is. The onus is on here to proove her claim. A person's testimony can be taken into consideredition, but considering the conversation thread, I don't think it was unreasonable of me to be skeptical of her claims.
Actually, yes, yes she did say this:
Please elaborate as apparently my comprehension skills must be lacking.
If you don't understand how terms work, then I would suggest you read up on them. You cannot change the terms of a contract once it has been entered into. That's the whole reason why you create a contract. This types of things are exactly what lead to class-action lawsuits. I got a small refund from a NetZero class action lawsuit a few years back exactly for this - changing the terms of a contract.
You're reading something into her statement that isn't there. She didn't say it was their policy to refund money as long as it was well before the start of the season.
Sure looks like that is exactly what she said. She also went on to say:
So first she stated it was simply because the NFL season hadn't started, then stated it was becauase the payment/refund deadline had not been reached. According to her first statement, the requirement for a refund was that the NFL season had not started. Then she states that the requirement was that a refund was requested before 9/20.
Personally glad they told you to take your business elsewhere with your league drama. Sucks for your owners, but your trying to nitpick #### when it's apparent the mistake was to grant this Josh bozo commissioner access (and he requested refund with commissioner access on this way out)
Was it a mistake to make him the commish? Absolutely.
Sounds like they're trying to pass their league issue (with this clown) onto LeagueSafe. The guy requested refund with commissioner access before the the access was taken away from him. I don't think the guy rambling on about his conversations with LeagueSafe understands this. I can tell you they don't process the refund the same day....
The bottom line is this guy was granted commissioner access to your league. That isn't LeagueSafe's fault someone in your league had the confidence to grant this Josh bozo commissioner access. Had Josh not been granted 'commissioner access' this isn't an issue -- the payment deadline would have prevented the refund.
Big thumbs down for trying to drag LeagueSafe in the mud with your League's mistake & issues.
This isn't my first rodeo.
Sounds like they're trying to pass their league issue (with this clown) onto LeagueSafe. The guy requested refund with commissioner access before the the access was taken away from him.
I don't think the guy rambling on about his conversations with LeagueSafe understands this. I can tell you they don't process the refund the same day....
At the end of the day, this guy was granted commissioner access to your league. That isn't LeagueSafe's fault someone in your league had the confidence to grant this Josh bozo commissioner access......
Big thumbs down for trying to drag LeagueSafe in the mud with your League's mistake & issues. :thumbsdown:
On both accounts.
If they allowed him to get a refund with commissioner access, why would he transfer it to someone else? Seriously? He obviously didn't do it because he thought it was the "right" thing to do. I can only guess that LeagueSafe wouldn't grant him a refund if he was listed as commish, so he transferred in order to get his money out.Big thumbs down for trying to drag LeagueSafe in the mud with your League's mistake & issues.
Someone else will have to explain it to you.If they allowed him to get a refund with commissioner access, why would he transfer it to someone else? Seriously? He obviously didn't do it because he thought it was the "right" thing to do. I can only guess that LeagueSafe wouldn't grant him a refund if he was listed as commish, so he transferred in order to get his money out.Big thumbs down for trying to drag LeagueSafe in the mud with your League's mistake & issues.
C'mon, man.
Maybe you could explain your league drama to them....1. If this is the case, why didn't LeagueSafe make mention of it? I mean seriously, if the very simple answer is, "He requested the refund before the commissioner rights were transferred," why wouldn't they say so?
Sounds like they're trying to pass their league issue (with this clown) onto LeagueSafe. The guy requested refund with commissioner access before the the access was taken away from him.
I don't think the guy rambling on about his conversations with LeagueSafe understands this. I can tell you they don't process the refund the same day....
At the end of the day, this guy was granted commissioner access to your league. That isn't LeagueSafe's fault someone in your league had the confidence to grant this Josh bozo commissioner access......
Big thumbs down for trying to drag LeagueSafe in the mud with your League's mistake & issues. :thumbsdown:
You're not reading the rest of the story. According to them, the terms at the time didn't require a commish to grant approval for a refund. If the rules at the time didn't require commish approval, it doesn't matter when he made the request. All that matters then would be that they didn't notify the league. That would be the issue - nobody got notified that this happened.
Not saying I agree with the latter, but it is what it is. Josh had commissioner access when he requested the refund. And that's the sole reason he got the refund. It's pretty black and white.
I've read everything. If you don't want to listen, why not just ask LeagueSafe if he requested the refund with commissioner access? Instead of just pointing the finger at them because they don't follow every detail of your league's drama.You're not reading the rest of the story.
Not saying I agree with the latter, but it is what it is. Josh had commissioner access when he requested the refund. And that's the sole reason he got the refund. It's pretty black and white.
Either the commissioner controls payouts....
Sounds messy. Either you're back to relying on a commish who can direct the funds to himself or half the owners in the league disappear and the funds are tied up.
Of course. But the alternative is that a manager at LeagueSafe is blatantly lying to you, in writing, about the terms of their service with you. As an unbiased observer, I have no reason to suspect she would do that. If you can prove that she is, then you've got something.
That's both trivial and irrelevant.
Take them to court then. In the meantime, we have her word against yours. Given that (a) I have no reason to suspect she'd lie about something like that and (b) your own testimony isn't entirely reliable, I know where I stand until you can prove otherwise. Considering the conversation thread, you're the one who made it adversarial. You're understandably upset, but you're taking it out on the wrong party. Josh owes your league $300, not LeagueSafe.
I think I already did in my last response. She didn't say that their policy was to refund money if it was requested well before the start of the season.
Right... which, once again, is exactly what they're telling you. They are applying the terms that were in effect at the time the transaction was made. So what is your point, exactly?
Right, well that's where you need to work on the reading comprehension, and just read what she actually said as opposed to what you think it is that she said. Once again, I already demostrated this to you in my last response from earlier today.
No she didn't.
No it wasn't.
Correct. This doesn't contradict her first statement.
Yep.
Well, then you have the right to stop using their service, and tell everyone who will listen that you're disappointed in the service. You haven't demonstrated, however, that LeagueSafe owes you $300.
If there aren't enough yes votes for payout within 7 days (either 51% or 100% of all owners based on settings) then it goes by just the people voting (either 51% or 100% of all voters)
Wonder what's happened when they've had a 100% league vote 11-1. Leaguesafe has to be sitting on unclaimed funds.
After a specified period of time, two weeks, or 30 days (I forget which) there is a LeagueSafe rep personally handling the account to verify the correct funds to be dispersed.
If you can trust everybody in your league, there would be no need nor desire to use a website like league safe in the first place.
The bolded is pretty much the main point to me. It was exceptionally dumb for LeagueSafe to have had that policy.
My main money league is this exact situation. Longtime league, close, trusting group. We still use leaguesafe. Why? Because it's easier to pay via e-check through an independent party, cash out through that party, etc. Sure, we could use paypal - but I've heard quite a few horror stories about high dollar amounts in Paypal setting off red flags that lock your funds. As the commish, I used to keep the funds, but holding onto 2400 dollars that isn't yours is a ....messy thing to do.Leonidas said:
Had he paid the commissioner directly and that guy left with it then you guys would be crying he should use League Safe.Ignoratio Elenchi said:
No, I don't play in a league with a commissioner I don't trust. When I join a league with folks I don't know, I do my best to see what their history is and start with an amount of money I am willing to lose if my judgement about them is wrong. From there, trust is either built or not.ebsteelers said:
Exactly. My issue with LeagueSafe is who would have thought they'd have these policies in the first place? I'm guilty of not doing due diligence before agreeing to use them, but their policies (even now) are terrible. The blame is certainly on Josh Meyer but LeagueSafe failed to do what they are supposed to do - protect the league's money from unscrupulous members. They can claim that they were only following their T&C but that doesn't mean they didn't fail at their job.
How did they fail in this? An owner asked for a refund WAY before the season started. It is not like he took out other members money. No one in the league noticed it, but the info was there.
We're a dynasty league that drafted in February. The start of the NFL season is inconsequential. Why would we set a payment date of 3/1 if we were a redraft team? It's a poorly designed site that allows someone to get a refund for a league 4 months after a payment deadline.
For a company pioneering a new service, the initial policy, designed to protect the individual, makes sense. But it wasnt perfect. They saw the problem and made changes to give even better protection in the future.
I can't speak for anyone else, but if you asked me I'd tell you not to play fantasy football for real money with complete strangers. I certainly wouldn't be "crying" about anything.Which policy? The one where if you give league safe $300 of your own money to hold for fantasy football, you can ask them to give you your $300 back before the football season starts? Is that the egregiously nonsensical policy you're taking issue with?
No but. If you're going to send your money to someone, you should know the terms of the agreement. If you don't bother to do your due diligence, you don't get to complain later that their policies are "terrible."
Yep, he did a ####ty thing.
They didn't fail. The "unscrupulous" member took his money back in July. It's not like he was 0-7 in late October and then took his money back. It's entirely a league issue that no one bothered to notice that Josh was playing for free all year and then decided to abandon his team.
It doesn't matter that it was July - he drafted in February. As far as anyone in the league was concerned there was no getting a refund after that.
As a Leaguesafe user, I was a bit scared to step into this thread. That said, this post should be the end of this discussion. Leaguesafe acted in accordance with their T&C's. They've since recognized a flaw in these and amended them. All the claims being made now by this league's members against Leaguesafe seem a bit misplaced.Which policy? The one where if you give league safe $300 of your own money to hold for fantasy football, you can ask them to give you your $300 back before the football season starts? Is that the egregiously nonsensical policy you're taking issue with?No but. If you're going to send your money to someone, you should know the terms of the agreement. If you don't bother to do your due diligence, you don't get to complain later that their policies are "terrible."Yep, he did a ####ty thing.They didn't fail. The "unscrupulous" member took his money back in July. It's not like he was 0-7 in late October and then took his money back. It's entirely a league issue that no one bothered to notice that Josh was playing for free all year and then decided to abandon his team.Their job is to protect the interests of their users. ####ty as his actions may have been, Josh was one of their users. They are obligated to protect his interests as well. How much outrage would there be if OP sent LeagueSafe $300, requested a refund and they refused to give him his own money back?
I'm in this league and don't want it to fold over this crap. LeagueSafe should do a better job than this that's all I'm saying.
Didnt feel like quoting that long post, but that's who I was responding to. Thanks for slipping that post in between when I wasn't looking!
