Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Has spiller really fallen this far? If so I'll try buying in my leagues. I'll take spiller side easily. I'd take spiller alone easily
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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)
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So he took Schaub and McCown to cut them to make room for picks?
I still think he should have gotten more for Spiller even in his massive rebuild
squistion
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Probably fairly close. I offered Spiller for pick #2 and then for #3 and both were rejected quickly with no interest.
I guess it all depends on who owns the picks but Spiller going for a pick in the 4-7 range seems where his realistic range is.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
If you're offering Spiller to rebuilding teams for their draft picks--yeah, his value's likely in the 4-6 range. But if you're trying to get good value for a 27 YO (when season starts) RB, and those are your trading partners, you're doing it wrong.
I don't think it's wise to move Spiller now. At the very least, wait until after week one. Owners see one good, healthy game and they get over their fears.
I don't think it's wise to move Spiller now. At the very least, wait until after week one. Owners see one good, healthy game and they get over their fears.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
I agree with you, i'm just referencing what his current market value is based on my experiences. I own him in both my dynasties but am rebuilding in one (not deep end) so was shopping him. He's a hold based on what the current market is for him.
Quick question, in our Gronk deal you would have added one of the 2015 1sts you own with Torrey/Reed right? i got caught up and made a rash move. congrats on taking me to the cleaners.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Pretty even, Reed is probably worth a late 1st - early 2nd. You just have to hope Reed's concussion issues aren't career threatening. Without the concussion issues he would be worth a mid 1st.
1.02 would get me to consider, and probably choose Spiller. If I had 1.01 I'd probably cover my ears and hope that one of these mediocre RBs gets into a great situation.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I own Spiller and I don't think I could let him go for 1.02. 1.01 would make me think but I have no idea if I would take it or not.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I would have, but, again, I'm one of the 2 or 3 biggest Gronk fans you'll find. That said, I'm likely the biggest Reed fan you'll find, too.
Obviously, I like the value that I got. But you got more than what you paid for him, at the very least. If Reed can stay healthy, and is as good as I think he is--Hernandez level--I think we'll both be happy.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
He's probably worth that. I'm just someone who thinks what the market will pay is what a player is worth. The key is to take advantage of inconsistencies in the market.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
yeah, my regret really isn't that i sold him, it's that i wasn't thinking and didn't maximize what i could have gotten.
Protocols of Stringer Bell
Footballguy
FFPC
Gave
Gronk
2015 2nd
Got
1.1
2015 1st
Both were playoff teams last year
Gave
Gronk
2015 2nd
Got
1.1
2015 1st
Both were playoff teams last year
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
garlicduck
Footballguy
Small trade, 12 team ppr
gave up: Davis, Knile KCC RB
got: Pierce, Bernard BAL RB
Other team had Jamaal Charles and wanted his handcuff
gave up: Davis, Knile KCC RB
got: Pierce, Bernard BAL RB
Other team had Jamaal Charles and wanted his handcuff
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Pierce by quite a bit for me. I don't see Davis as more than a backup long term. Pierce looks more like a potential future starter IMO.
...and even then I am not sure Maclin is that much better than Williams. Give me the A side all day
Andrew74
Footballguy
I own Charles and Pierce and there's no way I'd do that.ETA: I actually owned Davis and traded him away
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Davis looked pretty good to me and closed the season with back to back 20+ point fantasy games, which as far as I know I don't think Pierce has done once yet. I think it's a very good trade for the Charles owner myself. I think Knile did enough to establish himself as the clear cut backup and as I mentioned and he showed that in this offense he can produce if Charles is not playing. Considering Charles increased workload securing his backup is huge. Barring an injury to both players at the same time this owner has a starting RB capable of putting up top 10+ type numbers every week the Chiefs play.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
He got some opportunity based TDs while looking mostly average at best. He has none of Charles electric speed or quickness -- and would not have any chance at stepping in and putting up RB1 #s if Charles got hurt. Davis put up 3.5 YPC and caught 11 passes all year -- he's JAG.menobrown said:
He produced. Part of his ability to score those TD's is he's strong as most OL. He's not as quick as Charles and takes more time to gain his speed but his straight line speed is every bit in the neighborhood as Charels.
He only caught 11 passes because he barely was playing at times they were passing. He caught 9 passes in the two games he had to serve as the primary back. That's consistent pass catching that offense would provide any RB getting the lions share of the playing time.
I think using YPC is lazy and an ineffective way to measure a RB's performance but if you want to go there Pierce is the proud owner of a 2.9 YPC last year. I'll take Knile's 3.5 thanks.
Knile already showed he can put up RB1 numbers when Charles is out but you are welcome to opine he can't.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Reid has done fine with replacement RBs like Buckhalter, Bryce Brown. I think he would produce fantasy stats if given a time to start.
Philosophically I think we should treat Knile as a must handcuff/elite handcuff, and we should treat Pierce as a future starter, which is the reason for a significant difference in value.
That said I don't view Pierce's short term situation to be favorable.
I pretty much agree with that philosophy. Only exception I might make is I think Knile should not be dismissed as a potential future starter. The big exception is barring injury to Charles he has no shot until 2016 at best.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Davis isn't a bad handcuff -- my position is that he isn't talented enough to sustain top-10 RB numbers over a long period of time should Charles get hurt. Davis is a straight-linish size / speec guy that is very limited laterally. I don't see him as someone capable of stepping right in to Charles' role at all, particularly in the passing game.
Pimpin Joe
Footballguy
12 Team PPR devy league.
Gave Ty Hilton
Got 1.4
Watkins, Evans, Carey, Matthews, Lee, Seastrunk, Amaro, Sankey, Moncrief, Ebron are already rostered.
I have Julio, Josh Gordon, Harvin, Sammy Watkins, Goodwin and Boyce at WR. I also have the 1.1 and the top guy on my board at this stage is another WR. So I feel pretty comfortable trading Hilton and think there are around half a dozen guys still available in the draft I'd rather take a chance on over Hilton.
Also
Gave: Jordan Reed
Got: Austin Seferian-Jenkins & 2.4
Gave Ty Hilton
Got 1.4
Watkins, Evans, Carey, Matthews, Lee, Seastrunk, Amaro, Sankey, Moncrief, Ebron are already rostered.
I have Julio, Josh Gordon, Harvin, Sammy Watkins, Goodwin and Boyce at WR. I also have the 1.1 and the top guy on my board at this stage is another WR. So I feel pretty comfortable trading Hilton and think there are around half a dozen guys still available in the draft I'd rather take a chance on over Hilton.
Also
Gave: Jordan Reed
Got: Austin Seferian-Jenkins & 2.4
I wouldn't also dismiss that Knile is more injury prone than probably every RB in the NFL, including DMC.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Absolutely. I just think we'd see more McCluster in the backfield, Gray, Sherman, etc as opposed to Knile Davis getting the majority of Charles' looks.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I own Charles a bunch and late in the season was seriously considering off-season moves to try and land Davis as the HC. But then he had the two good games and he was overpriced. Then he suffered a similar(ish) injury to the ones he's had going back to H.S. and I just lost all appetite for the guy. Basically just not worth the price you have to pay to me at this point. Would much rather have Pierce.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
loose circuits
Footballguy
Confused by the Knile Davis hate. He looked like a beast to me after watching his last few games. Great power/speed combo and he shook the butterfingers. Only obstacle now is health. Guy is a freak physically though
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You can never know if a guy is over his fumblitis until you give him a large workload or at least a consistent workload over a long period of time. Until then, you're talking about a small sample size, to make that kind of assumption.
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You can look at his college production and count the many number of times that he fumbled.
