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Some recently posted Maxx Williams footage:
How much would you bet?
I don't like Maxx Williams because I don't think he's a special talent. No other reason. You have said he has a chance to be a better prospect than Ebron. I don't see that. He's not a bad player, but he's fairly ordinary. Tall with some speed, but not a great athlete. Doesn't make special plays. The only thing that stands out about him is his stats. I think you've railed against "box score scouting" in the past, so it's a little ironic that you're using production as evidence against Koyack and in support of Williams.
With regards to Gordon, if I had to do over again I would have selected different words. I said he was a 'straight line runner' without knowing the full implications of that commentary. I didn't mean he lacked lateral agility to make people miss. My observation had to do with his running style, where he doesn't keep his pads parallel to the line of scrimmage. He sort of takes the approach of the gazelle rather than the rhinoceros, hence why I said he runs like wide receiver instead of a running back.Xue said:
Williams spends a lot of time inline as well. Troy Niklas spent a lot of time blocking, too. I mean, you did see him in the tape of Koyack and vice versa right?EBF said:
I'll give you a hint. The clips are generally edited to minimize your ability to see them.
Dude please. You play this card any time someone disagrees with you. You live in an imaginary universe where your opinions are gospel and anyone who disagrees with you must not have watched the tape or else they would've reached the same conclusion. In general, you seem to have a really big problem with opinions that conflict with yours. You need to understand that two people can look at the same player and reach wildly different conclusions about his future. I think Koyack is a better prospect than Williams. Those others TEs are completely irrelevant to that claim. What does my opinion on Deaver have to do with my opinion on Williams or Koyack? Absolutely nothing.
Show me where you said Ebron was an elite prospect BEFORE he was drafted and BEFORE there were rumblings of him being a top half 1st rounder. Until then, you only label him an elite prospect because you KNOW his draft slot.Why aren't Michael Crabtree and Darrius Heyward-Bey labeled elite prospects because of their draft slots? Ebron isn't even that much more athletic at TE than Crabtree is at WR.
I'm not sure it matters when we learned that Ebron was an elite prospect, so long as we learned it. Whether you thought he was a UDFA or an elite 1st round lock a year ago, the fact that he ended up being a unanimous 1st round talent by every pundit and going to the Lions 10th overall strongly suggests that he was a consensus elite prospect when the dust settled. I think that's more relevant to the discussion than where people might have had him a year ago.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=676170&page=20#entry16117507
If you're going in the first round as a TE, chances are you're the top prospect at your position in your draft class. Not many prospects reach that level. If you are going to argue that a random college TE is that good then it seems to me you need to prove that he's exceptional. I have no problem with people hyping college players before they're drafted. Anyone who knows me knows that. I was a big advocate for Crabtree, Dez, Demaryius, Blackmon, Luck, and T-Rich at the college level EARLY in their careers. When I see a guy with obvious first round talent, I feel comfortable placing a lofty value on him long before his name is called in April-May.
Then why do you argue vehemently again Maxx Williams being a high draft pick if you don't even know his draft slot yet?
According to your logic, apparently elite talents can go anywhere from the 1st to 4th round. What round will Ben Koyack go since he's only above mediocre?
And Eric Ebron isn't one of them.
I've thrown more names out to measure Koyack up against. Why no strong feelings against those other names? How does Maxx Williams stack up to those names?
Didn't you just say Ebron is irrelevant because this discussion is about Williams and Koyack? My first post was specifically about those two players. If I go into the Tre Mason thread, I'm not doing so to talk about Bishop Sankey. Likewise, if I make a post about Williams and Koyack, that's not with the intention of talking about Braxton Deaver.
I don't think Bryant is anywhere near as talented as Watkins. Some people use talent as a synonym for "physical tools," but to me a lot of the skill components and intangibles are talent as well. A good example would be Jake Locker vs. Andrew Luck. Locker might have a similar physical skill set, but his talent for the position pales in comparison. Luck was better in his first season as a starter at Stanford than Locker ever will be. Likewise, just because Bryant is tall with track speed doesn't mean he's a great talent. There are lots of guys who test well in drills, but don't move well on the field. Likewise, there are lots of guys with promising athletic traits who lack football skills.
T-minus three weeks until the monster runs rampant on Miami. Send out those lowball devy offers while you still can.
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There are new reports coming out every week raving about Williams, many are about to find out what he's about.
Picked him up @ 1.10 in a recent devy draft. Only knew of him thanks to a very savvy friend of mine's tip.
Thanks guys! That is interesting. I'm surprised there isn't more hype around him. I didn't really see him in anyone's top 10 wr in this thread. And there was really not a ton from the pundits either. Is it just that he is JC kid? It seems like there was more buzz about Patterson a couple years ago. Maybe I am wrong though.
