Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t see him as particularly well suited to it, but that’s possible.
That would certainly hurt Gainwell’s FF relevance.
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RB Trey Sermon, Colts (1 Viewer)
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That would certainly hurt Gainwell’s FF relevance.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Having watched a lot of Sermon, I don’t see him as a threat to Sanders outlook at all.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I just realized you aren't talking about dynasty. Mine were dynasty rookie-only drafts.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Are you talking college and pros? Sermon has barely played in the NFL.
Sanders is nothing more than a placeholder. Sermon has an uphill battle to be meaningful at this point. You have to wonder if the rapid cut is more to do with off-field stuff than on-field. That was a weird situation from the get to.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You’re right, he isn’t a threat to Sanders because Sanders is a threat to Sanders.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Talking about what the beat writers have said, and his preseason performance.
His highlight reel from college had me (and others) excited. His NFL-level play has been sub-par.
Shanny kept saying, “he looks better in practice” “we see some great things in practice”
Yeah - notsomuch. Good luck to him in Philly. Seems like a nice kid.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
FTR: MoP almost 100% Redraft so always understand the intent. I have realized over the years that I step on a few toes because folks have investments beyond a 6th in Redraft like me.
but the flip side is I usually am ahead of others in my league by accident on waivers because I have been reading a lot in here. Some would call that "next week's waiver darlings" but I like to look at it as proactive vs reactive.
Sermon to the Eagles, they are being projected by many to score a lot of points and i have scooped up AJB in almost all my redrafts, he seems to always fall into the last on my 2nd tier, I have him ranked higher than others I'm sure.
I think this is a great spot for Sermon to land, the Eagles don't lose a lot by trying him out and kicking the tires. I like Gainwell but he has an uphill battle to become a full time player in the NFL as do all of them in Philly since nobody seems to seize control. Sanders and Sermon could end up as the 2 back in a time share but I think early on I doubt we see a lot of trey Sermon.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I've ragged on Sermon a little, but I hope he can turn his game around in Philadelphia.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Howard was a starting RB for a few seasons before falling out with the Bears.
It's not like he hadn't shown he could play in the NFL.
Yes age and his play style caught up with him.
It's not like he hadn't shown he could play in the NFL.
Yes age and his play style caught up with him.
jtp1982
Footballguy
this is a kid who needs a supportive and healthy team atmosphere to succeed at the level he eventually did in college and SF was the literal opposite of that for him
Shanahan resented the pick from day 1 and they essentially just screwed the kid over by sucking at workplace communication
Im rooting for him to bounce back from all this and will be on the lookout for solid locker room interviews in Philly that could be helpful in trying to figure his determination and resilience after getting hung out to dry as soon as he entered the league
(my sources for all this are Matt Waldman, sermons very limited but slightly revealing tweets, and familiarity with his family history and Shanahan’s dislike of him vs GM cheerleading)
edited bc I can’t spell right
Shanahan resented the pick from day 1 and they essentially just screwed the kid over by sucking at workplace communication
Im rooting for him to bounce back from all this and will be on the lookout for solid locker room interviews in Philly that could be helpful in trying to figure his determination and resilience after getting hung out to dry as soon as he entered the league
(my sources for all this are Matt Waldman, sermons very limited but slightly revealing tweets, and familiarity with his family history and Shanahan’s dislike of him vs GM cheerleading)
edited bc I can’t spell right
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3nOut
Footballguy
How much of this is true? If it is, there's value in holding on to him a bit longer. If they wanted to trade for him before, they must have an idea of how they'd want to use him. Not just a 'what the heck' pickup.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Schefter is reporting it, so not just a rumor.
TripItUp
Footballguy
All of this...Sermon needed to get out of there.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
People were on this train partly or mostly because it was San Fran and Kyle Shanahan. Now he's leaving and its, boy good thing he's leaving there.
My guess is he's not good. But I've been wrong. I'm wondering why people think all he needs is a change of scenery. Has there ever been a player cut after one season who turned out to actually be good? I know there's Kareem Hunt, but I mean, that's a little different.
My guess is he's not good. But I've been wrong. I'm wondering why people think all he needs is a change of scenery. Has there ever been a player cut after one season who turned out to actually be good? I know there's Kareem Hunt, but I mean, that's a little different.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I don't think anybody is using anything but a deep flier or waiver add on him. What most people are saying is that he never had a fair shake in SF and it will be interesting to see if he can work his way up the Philly depth chart.
Sounds like you are saying, probably not. Many of us are saying, who knows, will be fun to see how it shakes out.
Arian Foster was released by the Texans and then re-signed to the practice squad
Sounds like he's good at pass protection and can catch a ball. PHI has an O-line that is any RBs dream, will run the ball and seems to, at least in the past 5 years, found a role for bruisers (Blount/Howard) in their rotation WITH a chance for those guys to produce weekly numbers. If he sees the ball, he can be a weekly flex RB after other RBS around the league start to get injured/have byes in that O.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Yep. As a rookie. And he played on the active roster as a rookie. He wasn’t cut the next year during training camp.
massraider
Footballguy
Mmmm, how long have people been saying this?
Suddenly Sermon is an end of the roster flier? Wasn't this way a month ago.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I would not expect much, but I would have some hope in him. I'm in the "didn't get a fair shake/see what he can do" camp. It honestly seemed like Shanahan hated him just based on usage. It was as if, even if all the rest of the RB's were injured, they might try throwing the punter in at RB before giving Sermon a shot. Statistically, I don't see "bad" results. Mixed results. If he averaged 2.3 ypc in his limited sample of opportunities, I'd feel much differently. But the RB situation in Philadelphia is a mess, which I don't like.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
The idea that Shanahan hated a guy he drafted in the 3rd round, for no good reason, is very odd. It’s far more likely that they liked him enough to draft him but that his performance — in practice, in the offseason, in games — simply showed them that they made a mistake drafting him.
Deamon
Footballguy
I guess it depends who calls the shots. The rumours were that it wasn't his call on that pick, but I would think he would have control over who is drafted? But I dont know the make-up of that front office/coaching system to really know who runs the draft.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
It seems like Shanahan gets whomever he wants. But fair point.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya I would think so too. Maybe Niners fans have more insight on this. But if he really does have full control of the draft, then obviously the rumour of him being unhappy about the pick is false.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Yeah, I've never heard anything about Kyle not being happy with the pick. Seems like he was an afterthought all last season though, like Kyle purposely didn't want to give him carries, even when he was the healthiest RB on the roster. So strange.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I'm reminded of some guy named Joe, I think Williams, Shanahan supposedly insisted on taking in the 3rd or 4th a few years back. By insisted, I mean he threw a fit about it. This particular running back didn't play much either, but at least stayed thru at least most of his rookie contract.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I suppose it wouldn't make sense to say that he hated Sermon as a prospect from the very beginning, but are there not various ways post-draft to become hated and then "shunned"? For instance, maybe you're right his practices were in fact awful. His play in games didn't seem awful.
3nOut
Footballguy
You never know when a change of scenery will help a player out. Thomas Jones comes to mind.
Deamon
Footballguy
K what?
Deamon
Footballguy
Ah ok.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah, that one got by me.
Probably because I found out I drew the 9 spot in my draft tomorrow and am distracted trying to decide if I'm going with Kamara or Barkley or, hopefully, both.
Deamon
Footballguy
Even when the first 8 picks are going to be QBs!?!?!
Yeah, that one got by me.
Probably because I found out I drew the 9 spot in my draft tomorrow and am distracted trying to decide if I'm going with Kamara or Barkley or, hopefully, both.
Chaka
Footballguy
LOL! Probably not eight but maybe four. It's crazy how a league would dare to try and make magic football QBs have actual value, right?Even when the first 8 picks are going to be QBs!?!?!
Yeah, that one got by me.
Probably because I found out I drew the 9 spot in my draft tomorrow and am distracted trying to decide if I'm going with Kamara or Barkley or, hopefully, both.
So I'm probably looking at QBs like Murray or Hurts (maybe Mahomes?), one of the top 3 WRs or even a Dalvin/Henry/Mixon at RB.
So many pathways to success. It's terrible.
massraider
Footballguy
I am ready to believe that a 49ers player was taken that wasn't Shanahan's first choice, like they take a defensive tackle over his preferred wideout, or running back.
The very last position on the field, where Lynch would force a player on Shanahan......is RB.
The very last position on the field, where Lynch would force a player on Shanahan......is RB.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Is it possible that Sermon asked them to simply release him and his wish was granted?
Could it be that simple?
Could it be that simple?
Deamon
Footballguy
Hmmm... I guess that's quite possible. Why else would they walk away from trade talks with Philly, talk about how well he's looked, then simply release him out of the blue?
Not saying I believe it, but I guess that is possible for sure.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
My Philly-based main redraft league is drafting on 9/10. 12 teams, 18 rounds. There’s a 100% chance Sermon gets taken barring a catastrophic injury between now and then.
Chaka
Footballguy
I doubt anyone was offering anything for Sermon when it was certain many RBs would be available after roster cut downs.
Deamon
Footballguy
Well Philly was.
eighsse2
Footballguy
If Cordarr
How do you have a draft after the first game? Can you start guys from the Thursday game already knowing what they scored?? Or are they off limits for week 1.
Chaka
Footballguy
Were they? They claimed him off waivers, didn't they?
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
You can draft and start guys from the first game, but when you make the pick, you have to announce right there if they are starting in week 1 or not.
This led to Kareem Hunt going in the first round of our 2017 draft.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Interesting!
Oh hey, an artifact from earlier when I was going to bring up Cordarrelle Patterson and decided not to. Neat.
Deamon
Footballguy
man, keep up lol
They were in trade talks with the niners and trying to make a deal with them and SF walked away from it. Then released him days later.
Chaka
Footballguy
Keep up with a rumor that never materialized?
Okay, sounds like you wasted your time on that one.
Deamon
Footballguy
Man it took you days to even know he got signed lol. You shouldn't be throwing stones.
And yes I believe they were in trade talks.
