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No way better than 50/50. You have the Pats, Colts, Chargers and Browns winning their divisions. That leaves a very strong Jax team, the Steelers, Texans, Titans, Jets and Broncos and 2 of them making it.I'll bet you 50 bucks (I don't need the odds even though you think it's better than a 50/50 shot) the Jets don't make the playoffs this year.
This whole line of reasoning is flawed (not just the Dodds example, but I will use it). Dodds does not have a contract that says if he ever wants to work in this field again (unretire) you can only do that with us (FBG) since we have a contract controlling your services for 2-3 more years. This is one of the reasons I have ended up siding with the waffling Favre in this as time has gone bye. He wants to continue to play, but GB controls his ability to unretire and play. That is the big difference between this situation in the NFL and real life. If you are at the top of your profession and decide to retire, you can unretire and work again in the same field w/o your previous employer saying whether you can and/or where you can work again.
a voice of reason.
The Packer organization owes it to their fans and players on the team to do everything they can to put the best team available on the field. The Packers didn't do that or at least they didn't want to find out for sure.Farve had a great season last year, he didn't fade. They had a huge lead in the division towards the end, he played like a quarter versus the Lions the last game.
That Pats don't put the best players on the field each season on a regular basis, the Skins take the opposite approach (recent history although it seems to be changing).
Of course they did. Again, and again, and again, and again. In the end, Favre's grudge against Thompson decided this. The Packers brass has their ### on the line with this decision. Do you honestly think they didn't calculate all of the consequences of each and every decision?It seems as if the Packers brass didn't really think this one through.
I think they thought it through, they just made a bad decision. Pride played WAY to much of an issue in this outcome. Brett Farve should be a Packer, I'm absolutely shocked at this outcome. I wouldn't have thought in a million years that somehow Brett Farve would be playing for the New York Jets.
Agreed. And even more so if Farve is still playing at the level he played last year but even if he is not, it is easy to make excuses for him and picture more success with the Packers... not knowing the system, new team, new place, yadda yadda...
Do you honestly think the executives at Coke didn't calculate all of the consequences of releasing new coke? The only difference here is that if the Packers are wrong, they can't go back the old formula (Favre is gone).Of course they did. Again, and again, and again, and again. In the end, Favre's grudge against Thompson decided this. The Packers brass has their ### on the line with this decision. Do you honestly think they didn't calculate all of the consequences of each and every decision?
With all due respects, this is a bad example. For the most part, the people at FBG work fairly independent of each other. I can see in this example that welcoming Dodds back would not be a big deal. But in a game like football, everyone is working at the same place at the same time. Emotions run high. Lockerooms can fracture.
He's not completely ready, not game ready but he will be. Of course it was a distraction.There's been some things over the year's I'm guessing that didn't go smoothly between Farve and Thompson. I know he tried to get Moss on the team and they didn't go for that obviously and he was upset about it. He's waffled a couple times on retiring and now this year, it just all came to a head.Farve isn't going to look washed up. You saw him 7 months ago play, he had a great year. He'll make some mistakes but he'll make some big plays like he always does.Aaron Rodgers, we'll have to see.
You're talking about Brett Farve. The lockeroom's going to fracture if you bring back Farve into Green Bay? If anything, it'll fracture more with him playing for another team.
I actually said he faded in two of the past three years. During the final eight games in 2005 and 2006, Favre threw 12 touchdowns against 26 inteceptions, which equated to a 63.1 QB Rating. And how did he play in the 2007 NFC Conference championship game against New York? He completed 54.3 percent of his passes with two touchdowns and two inteceptions for a QB rating of 70.7. He looked old and cold (at home) in that game vs. the Giants.
If they thought it through and came to this decision, they are morons. This is almost as puzzling to me as the Titans drafting Chris Henry in the 2nd round.How do these guys get jobs??I think they thought it throughIt seems as if the Packers brass didn't really think this one through.
How did he play in the divisional round game against Seattle in the snow?I actually said he faded in two of the past three years. During the final eight games in 2005 and 2006, Favre threw 12 touchdowns against 26 inteceptions, which equated to a 63.1 QB Rating. And how did he play in the NFC Conference championship game against New York? At home he completed 54.3 percent of his passes, two touchdowns, two inteceptions for a QB rating of 70.7. He looked old and cold (at home) in that game vs. the Giants.
In the grand scheme of things, which one was the BIGGER game?How did he play in the divisional round game against Seattle in the snow?I actually said he faded in two of the past three years. During the final eight games in 2005 and 2006, Favre threw 12 touchdowns against 26 inteceptions, which equated to a 63.1 QB Rating. And how did he play in the NFC Conference championship game against New York? At home he completed 54.3 percent of his passes, two touchdowns, two inteceptions for a QB rating of 70.7. He looked old and cold (at home) in that game vs. the Giants.
It is not that simple. If Favre doesn't play great against Seattle, they do not overcome Grant's two early fumbles and win in a rout. And as a result, they never would have touched the field in the NFC title game. But feel free to keep forgetting that. Also, the Super Bowl is the biggest game of all, and Tom Brady didn't play well in it. He also looked mediocre in the AFC title game, too. I guess he is someone who fades now, too, right?In the grand scheme of things, which one was the BIGGER game?How did he play in the divisional round game against Seattle in the snow?I actually said he faded in two of the past three years. During the final eight games in 2005 and 2006, Favre threw 12 touchdowns against 26 inteceptions, which equated to a 63.1 QB Rating. And how did he play in the NFC Conference championship game against New York? At home he completed 54.3 percent of his passes, two touchdowns, two inteceptions for a QB rating of 70.7. He looked old and cold (at home) in that game vs. the Giants.
Brady isn't a couple of months away from being 39 years old.It is not that simple. If Favre doesn't play great against Seattle, they do not overcome Grant's two early fumbles and win in a rout. And as a result, they never would have touched the field in the NFC title game. But feel free to keep forgetting that. Also, the Super Bowl is the biggest game of all, and Tom Brady didn't play well in it. He also looked mediocre in the AFC title game, too. I guess he is someone who fades now, too, right?In the grand scheme of things, which one was the BIGGER game?How did he play in the divisional round game against Seattle in the snow?I actually said he faded in two of the past three years. During the final eight games in 2005 and 2006, Favre threw 12 touchdowns against 26 inteceptions, which equated to a 63.1 QB Rating. And how did he play in the NFC Conference championship game against New York? At home he completed 54.3 percent of his passes, two touchdowns, two inteceptions for a QB rating of 70.7. He looked old and cold (at home) in that game vs. the Giants.
I can't let this slide without pointing out how absolutely pathetic this statement is..
Nice deflection!Brady isn't a couple of months away from being 39 years old.It is not that simple. If Favre doesn't play great against Seattle, they do not overcome Grant's two early fumbles and win in a rout. And as a result, they never would have touched the field in the NFC title game. But feel free to keep forgetting that. Also, the Super Bowl is the biggest game of all, and Tom Brady didn't play well in it. He also looked mediocre in the AFC title game, too. I guess he is someone who fades now, too, right?In the grand scheme of things, which one was the BIGGER game?How did he play in the divisional round game against Seattle in the snow?I actually said he faded in two of the past three years. During the final eight games in 2005 and 2006, Favre threw 12 touchdowns against 26 inteceptions, which equated to a 63.1 QB Rating. And how did he play in the NFC Conference championship game against New York? At home he completed 54.3 percent of his passes, two touchdowns, two inteceptions for a QB rating of 70.7. He looked old and cold (at home) in that game vs. the Giants.
You not good at detecting sarcasm, or what?
I guess I missed theNice deflection!Brady isn't a couple of months away from being 39 years old.It is not that simple. If Favre doesn't play great against Seattle, they do not overcome Grant's two early fumbles and win in a rout. And as a result, they never would have touched the field in the NFC title game. But feel free to keep forgetting that. Also, the Super Bowl is the biggest game of all, and Tom Brady didn't play well in it. He also looked mediocre in the AFC title game, too. I guess he is someone who fades now, too, right?In the grand scheme of things, which one was the BIGGER game?How did he play in the divisional round game against Seattle in the snow?I actually said he faded in two of the past three years. During the final eight games in 2005 and 2006, Favre threw 12 touchdowns against 26 inteceptions, which equated to a 63.1 QB Rating. And how did he play in the NFC Conference championship game against New York? At home he completed 54.3 percent of his passes, two touchdowns, two inteceptions for a QB rating of 70.7. He looked old and cold (at home) in that game vs. the Giants.You not good at detecting sarcasm, or what?
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I really don't think Favre's readiness to play is going to be an issue. He didn't handle this situation well, but I have a hard time believing he'd go through all this negative publicity and go so far as accept a trade to a new team without feeling confident that he will be fine when he steps on the field. I'm not saying he'll be an All Pro, but I doubt he'll struggle.Consider that Vinny Testaverde got off his couch in the middle of October last season and started and won the next game for the Panthers, going 20/33 for 206/1/0 after no preseason/training camp and only 4 practices... on a team he never played for before... at age 44. And he was never as good as Favre to begin with. And the season before, he had 3 total pass attempts for the Pats. There is a lot to be said for experience, and no QB has more of it than Favre.
Good points, JWB.
It's a new system for Brett so there will almost DEFINITELY be a transition period...how long is anyone's guess...he's never been much of a system guy.
Yes they do. Maybe not by 22, but they still win by double digits. Grant put up 201 yards and 3 TDs, plus the defense held Seattle to 3 points in each the 2nd and 3rd quarter, and scoreless in the 4thGreen Bay's running game and defense dominated the game more and more as it went on.It is not that simple. If Favre doesn't play great against Seattle, they do not overcome Grant's two early fumbles and win in a rout. And as a result, they never would have touched the field in the NFC title game. But feel free to keep forgetting that. Also, the Super Bowl is the biggest game of all, and Tom Brady didn't play well in it. He also looked mediocre in the AFC title game, too. I guess he is someone who fades now, too, right?In the grand scheme of things, which one was the BIGGER game?How did he play in the divisional round game against Seattle in the snow?I actually said he faded in two of the past three years. During the final eight games in 2005 and 2006, Favre threw 12 touchdowns against 26 inteceptions, which equated to a 63.1 QB Rating. And how did he play in the NFC Conference championship game against New York? At home he completed 54.3 percent of his passes, two touchdowns, two inteceptions for a QB rating of 70.7. He looked old and cold (at home) in that game vs. the Giants.
I think the Packers did the right thing too. I am a Bears fan and I am sick of watching Farve carve up the Bears. I'm thrilled that the Packers have decided to go with the guy who has never started an NFL game, brilliant. Packer fans, welcome to the world of mediocre QB play. We are glad you could join us. That whooshing sound? Oh, that was the sound of your chances of a Super Bowl berth going right out the window.
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I love my Seahawks. That was painful to watch, but there's no need to get into revisionist history. The Green Bay offensive line and running game dominated that game, not Favre.Yes they do. Maybe not by 22, but they still win by double digits. Grant put up 201 yards and 3 TDs, plus the defense held Seattle to 3 points in each the 2nd and 3rd quarter, and scoreless in the 4thGreen Bay's running game and defense dominated the game more and more as it went on.It is not that simple. If Favre doesn't play great against Seattle, they do not overcome Grant's two early fumbles and win in a rout. And as a result, they never would have touched the field in the NFC title game. But feel free to keep forgetting that. Also, the Super Bowl is the biggest game of all, and Tom Brady didn't play well in it. He also looked mediocre in the AFC title game, too. I guess he is someone who fades now, too, right?In the grand scheme of things, which one was the BIGGER game?How did he play in the divisional round game against Seattle in the snow?I actually said he faded in two of the past three years. During the final eight games in 2005 and 2006, Favre threw 12 touchdowns against 26 inteceptions, which equated to a 63.1 QB Rating. And how did he play in the NFC Conference championship game against New York? At home he completed 54.3 percent of his passes, two touchdowns, two inteceptions for a QB rating of 70.7. He looked old and cold (at home) in that game vs. the Giants.
proof that it was a good move right here folks...BTW I think it was a great move for the Packers Franchise on the whole.This year? It might hurt them... But on the whole, it was the best thing for the franchise...
I remember when Packer fans wanted Favre benched for Ty Detmer. I can only imagine the things we'll hear when Rodgers struggles. I'm hoping for the best for Rodgers but it's going to be real ugly in Green Bay this year if he struggles. And he will struggle. All first-time starting QBs struggle. The difference here is Thompson and McCarthy have basically set Rodgers up to fail. There will be no escape for him if he struggles - the criticism will be immense because the Packers had what virtually everyone agrees is a superior option available. What's interesting about all of this is I wouldn't be surprised if in two years time Rodgers is gone too. How many QBs who replaced Hall of Famers in recent NFL history stayed with their original team? That's the potentially sad irony of all this. The Packers kicked Favre to the curb and backed a guy who recent NFL history strongly suggests won't be with the team for the long term.
no worse than what is being said about Favre in this argument.
We have a winner.
That being said, i am just happy that this circus has moved to another town... 
they were prepared for him to come back and start... They offered him that at least once (I believe they did it twice)...and both times Favre decided he didn't want to actually un-retire at the last second...Everything that has happened in the last 8 months, outside of the last few days, was a ploy to try and go to Minnesota...
They tried to say that, Favre just re-retired...
What he said!
We have witnessed the worst decision by a front office in the history of professional sport.
If that's how you see it, fine. But, if Favre doesn't make that same mistake this year, they could easily be a superbowl team. But, then again, I'm not a believer that interception was the difference. I'm not sold Rodgers performs as good as Favre did, so Rodgers wouldn't be in a position to lose a game with a moronic INT.But, that's just my take, I realize yours is different.
