loose circuits
Footballguy
H gives Mccoy
B gives Nicks
12 team PPR
B gives Nicks
12 team PPR
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2011 offseason dynasty trades (2 Viewers)
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
You would think Owens could get more than that, let alone throw in a rookie pick.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'd say. I can't imagine what team A was thinking.
doowain
Footballguy
I agree that Brown has been underwhelming, but you are talking about a TE who is coming off a lost year on a team that is becoming more of a running team. That's pretty much where his value is at. And rightfully so.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Daniels had an average of six catches for 68 yards per game and two TDs in the final month. I think he's on his way back.I think his absence was also the reason they became more of a running team as since they didn't have a viable 2nd option to Andre Johnson, who was subsequently double/triple teamed, they ran the ball more.I'm bullish on Daniels and if that's what he fetches I think he's a hold.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
This has to be PPR.People are squirrely about Rice's knee, huh?
gianmarco
Footballguy
Yes, 1 ppr.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I thought it was his hip, but not squirrely at all. Welker will outscore Rice by himself the next couple of years and the 1st rd pick is for the age difference. Rice could stay in a bad situation in Minnesota because they are trying to sign him to a long term deal, or he could become a unrestriced FA if a new CBA is signed. Even if he does you can't ignore the hip. Welker should be pretty good in PPR league for a few years and the pick could be a high one by 2013.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I thought it was his hip, but not squirrely at all. Welker will outscore Rice by himself the next couple of years and the 1st rd pick is for the age difference. Rice could stay in a bad situation in Minnesota because they are trying to sign him to a long term deal, or he could become a unrestriced FA if a new CBA is signed. Even if he does you can't ignore the hip. Welker should be pretty good in PPR league for a few years and the pick could be a high one by 2013.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Hip, yes. All indications I've heard (from my admittedly limited sources) are that his hip is fine.I guess at this point in their respective careers, I'd be more inclined to roll the dice on Rice's upside. This specific trade is a fair one for both sides though.
doowain
Footballguy
Replacing an owner's aging WR with a younger, better version is probably not the best way to increase the value of their future 1st rounder.'Hoss_Cartwright said:
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
It depends on how much value you place with Rice and his future. I certainly see no reason why Welker can't equal Rice in the next 2 years in a PPR league and the 1st rd pick is a bonus. If Welker = Rice or is better, then I don't see how trading Rice helps decrease the value of the 2013 pickReplacing an owner's aging WR with a younger, better version is probably not the best way to increase the value of their future 1st rounder.'Hoss_Cartwright said:
Let's not forget that Rice's body of work is minimal, his health is a question mark, and who knows who his future qb will be.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
12 team PPR start 1/2/2/1 plus a WR/TE flex
Trade 1
A gives:
1.4
2.4
Flacco
Celek
Hardesty
B gives:
1.1
2.9
BJGE
Danario Alexander
Vince Young
Trade 2
A gives:
SJax
BJGE
Gronkowski
C gives:
Spiller
Starks
Graham
Trade 1
A gives:
1.4
2.4
Flacco
Celek
Hardesty
B gives:
1.1
2.9
BJGE
Danario Alexander
Vince Young
Trade 2
A gives:
SJax
BJGE
Gronkowski
C gives:
Spiller
Starks
Graham
Eastwood
Footballguy
First trade Team A wins by a landslide. 2nd trade seems about right, although I'd prefer the youth side.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
Given what he's fetching in this thread, if I were a Graham owner, I'd be dangling him like an emmereffer.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Am I crazy for valuing L. McCoy more than L. Fitzgerald? I ask because an owner in my league couldn't believe that I turned down a trade there, straight-up.
eaglesfan7
Footballguy
Not at all. McCoy is going ahead of Fitz in 90% of dynasty startups this year.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I never understood people that react that way. If he thought you were so nuts for turning it down, why would he offer it?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Exactly. Now it seems he's debating offering Fitz and the 1.2 rookie pick. I just have a very hard time trading a 22 year old PPR stud in a great situation.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Don't be silly. Fitzgerald and the 1.2 for McCoy? In PPR? Take that deal if he offers it.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Not wanting to derail the purpose of the thread, but I'm not sure its as cut-and-dry as that. McCoy seems like one of those few nearly un-trade-able players. Notice that I said nearly, because this would be great value, and I haven't officially received this offer yet. Its basically Fitz + Green/Ingram/Jones for McCoy, which at first glance is a no-brainer. Especially since I'd be sending McCoy to our league's Siberia, where it couldn't come back to bite me...no talent on that team outside of Fitz and his potential draft picks.But McCoy is a virtual guarantee to put up top-5 PPR RB numbers, while Fitz QB situation remains unstable and the 1.2, while it is a GREAT lottery pick to have, is still just a lottery pick, and depends on situation also.Especially since my other RB's are Forte and Stewart. I'm comfortable with them, but I would be much more comfortable with them behind McCoy in a league where I can start 3 RB's.
I'd shoot down the straight up trade too, but I'd be all over Fitz and the 1.2. In a heartbeat before he comes to his senses.
I would give McCoy and a late 1st for Fitzgerald. Different strokes for different folks. I apparently am in the minority.
I would prefer the Welker/1.13 side of the S Rice trade but think it was fair for both teams. I really doubt that is a high 1st rounder next year.
Another trade in that league was 1.13 for A Boldin.
I would prefer the Welker/1.13 side of the S Rice trade but think it was fair for both teams. I really doubt that is a high 1st rounder next year.
Another trade in that league was 1.13 for A Boldin.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
It's not the 1.13, it is a 2013 1st rd pick in addition to Welker and that pick could be a high one 2 years from now.
No Way Jose
Footballguy
I'm impressed you can predict teams success that far out.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
12 team PPR 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/Flex
Team A gave: 1.04, 1.05
Team B gave: RB Jahvid Best, WR Emmanuel Sanders, WR Danario Alexander
This league drafts rookies before the NFL draft happens
Team A gave: 1.04, 1.05
Team B gave: RB Jahvid Best, WR Emmanuel Sanders, WR Danario Alexander
This league drafts rookies before the NFL draft happens
I know, just being lazy.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I'll just chalk your post up as not really reading my post. Big difference between "Could be" and "will be"
No Way Jose
Footballguy
If you actually thought that you would have just said a 2013 pick.I'll just chalk your post up as not really reading my post. Big difference between "Could be" and "will be"
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Yeah, that makes a lot of senseIf you actually thought that you would have just said a 2013 pick.I'll just chalk your post up as not really reading my post. Big difference between "Could be" and "will be"
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No Way Jose
Footballguy
LolYeah, that makes a lot of senseIf you actually thought that you would have just said a 2013 pick.I'll just chalk your post up as not really reading my post. Big difference between "Could be" and "will be"
Eastwood
Footballguy
Give me Best, Sanders, and Alexander all day.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Same League...Team B Gave: WR Reggie Wayne, WR Jordy Nelson, WR James JonesTeam C Gave: 1.02Team B is the same team in both deals
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I suppose Team B is in a rebuilding mode, but he's giving away a lot of talent in order to attempt to dominate the top of the draft.
Reggie Wayne is "crap"? Never heard him described that way. You must have pretty high standards. Still, I'd probably rather have the 1.02.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
maybe "alot" was a stretch, but I think Reggie Wayne and Jahvid Best are very valuable. I do know than many are down on Wayne due to age concerns (from a few pages back in this thread), but I don't feel 32 is old for a WR and he finished as WR3 last season. Best was the No. 2 or No. 3 pick in most drafts last season, and I'm a believer in his talent level. Before injuries ruined his season, he showed he can play at this level.The other pieces aren't building blocks but Sanders, Nelson and Jones all have high upside and have opportunity coming their way in the near future.
Nice haul for a non top tier QB.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Even after those trades Team B still has...Matt SchaubKevin KolbAhmad BradshawFrank GoreJonathan StewartPierre GarconDeSean JacksonBrandon MarshallHakeem NicksSteve Smith (CAR)Mike WallaceChris CooleyThe team was loaded before and after these trades
NorrisB
Footballguy
The other two guys are scrubs and Wayne has lost a step, I think he'll be nearing Torry Holt territory very soon
jeter23
Footballguy
That roster makes those deals even better (I liked them before). Knowing he moved Best and Wayne, both of whom may not have been starters, and got some youth out of it really improves his team, IMO.
eaglesfan7
Footballguy
Wayne isn't a starter? lol you guys overreact too much. He's only averaging 95 catches, 1300 yards and 9 tds over the past 4 seasons. Oh and he plays with Peyton Manning in a passing offense. Oh and he's only 32 with probably five or 6 years left, 3 of which should be elite production seasons.
No Way Jose
Footballguy
When you have a roster like that, you can take some chances with picks. Well done, IMO.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Yes I like the moves a lot. I am the guy who acquired Best. Feel he could be a monster in PPR and I desperately needed RB's. But overall I love what he did with his team.
