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It IS an issue in the sense that he's 26 and still has not shown difference making ability. He's not going to just figure it out now. His injuries have zapped most of the ability he had coming into the league. As he gets older, that declining ability is only going to decline further. At least that's the smart bet.His production and value was inflated by his PPR numbers.
Right. His window of opportunity is very small. If he doesn't put it together next year, then he's now a 27 year old rb who will be written off. If he were only 23 or 24, he'd still have a shot if it didn't work out next year. That's why I'd take Beanie over him all day and I certainly wouldn't pay a first for Beanie now. Gambling on young rbs is one thing. Gambling on older rbs mean they have to hit now or you just crapped out.
Even deal.
You need a pat on the back or something?
If I couldn't get him for less, I'd probably bite and make the deal. My team is championship caliber, but thin in depth at RB and would not be able to survive an injury to Lynch.
Wait, you traded James Jones for the 2.11 rookie pick?! You got hosed!You then traded the 2.11 rookie pick for J Stew?!How in the world did you pull that off?!
The initial deal was Moreno, James Jones and 4.12 for the 1.04 and 2.11 picks, so was happy with the overall value I got there.Must admit, I'm extremely surprised the Stewart owner accepted 2.11 for him, he's taken over the worst team in the league and I gambled he'd want the pick as he's in full rebuild mode
Why would someone move down two slots for bilal Powell?
You gambled he'd want the pick? Exactly what was the gamble? You gave up practically nothing for Stewart
He's an uninformed Shonn Greene owner? I don't think Green is back in NY, so Powell becomes the guy (at least initially), and it's not like he was going to get a difference maker at 6 anyway with this weak draft.I did it in hopes of landing Lattimore at 6 and putting him in my IR spot for the year.
You don't have to defend the guy just because you took him for what he's worth.
Interesting considering in a start up on the "2013 startup" page the 1st draft out of the shoot went like this.CJ went in the 3rdIngram went in the 9th and the 1.8 went in the 12thI own CJ in a league and would never do this deal.
Lots of people very high on Blackmon. Thats three valuable pieces for him.
I agree, that's not nearly enough for Johnson.
Ditto. Own Johnson in one league and this would have been rejected fairly quickly.
Sick life, the league I acquired Harvin, DMC, Gronk in couple pages ago, I inquired about Cam/Wilson. Cam he wouldn't trade, Wilson, he wanted at the very fair price of Julio Jones. I legit lol'ed. Would post the email exchange but it would clutter up the thread!Same league.
Gave: 1.06 rookie pick, WR TY Hilton
Got: QB Russell Wilson
My other QBs were Roethlisberger and Bradford.
I think it's a decent deal for both sides. Other owner had Kaep and Stafford already. There will be some nice RB/WR/TE out there for him at 1.06. I'd be lying if I said I was high on TY Hilton entering the season (I got him off waivers), but he had a great rookie year. Five 100+ yard games. I think he was a top 20 FF WR in the second half. And it's not like he's some bum off the street. 3rd round pick with legit speed who put up great stats in college. He looks like a real player. It's just a question of upside. If the Colts keep airing it out, he could be something like a Randall Cobb.Sick life, the league I acquired Harvin, DMC, Gronk in couple pages ago, I inquired about Cam/Wilson. Cam he wouldn't trade, Wilson, he wanted at the very fair price of Julio Jones. I legit lol'ed. Would post the email exchange but it would clutter up the thread!Same league.
Gave: 1.06 rookie pick, WR TY Hilton
Got: QB Russell Wilson
My other QBs were Roethlisberger and Bradford.
Wow! Wish I owned Julio! I'd be ecstatic to get this!
Really? As a Julio owner myself I don't think I'd accept this deal, certainly wouldn't be ecstatic
This.
Great
That's fine - I tend not to base how I feel about trades on ADP. If CJ wants to play, he can. I don't own him in any leagues and certainly think drafting him the 3rd round is an enormous mistake in dynasty.
I'd do it, but I'm high on Shorts.Cruz scored about as much as Julio...despite the Giants 2nd half meldown. He was top 5 in receptions, TDs, and yardage before then. And his season last year was special, production wise. Maybe when Roddy retires Julio will start putting up Calvin numbers. But, in the meantime, I expect Cruz to score on pace with him. I am only recently getting around to watching Jags games, specifically for Shorts/Blackmon. I think he's legit. His advanced stats are insane - what he did per catch was pretty close to Calvin.'dewmass said:
I'm all about consolidating here. Before the draft last year, I liked Wright A LOT better....but by the end of the season Blackmon started to show something special that could land him in the top 10 very soon. Wright, although likely a solid WR, is WR#2 upside IMO. I like Danario Alexander, but injuries and only 2 years in this league until he's a FA......pretty much dispensable.....given my WRs are AJ Green, Harvin, Nicks, and Cobb. I had 1.03 and 1.07 as well as 1.08, so moving 1.08 wasn't a hard thing to do. I'd much rather have an elite prospect (YES BLACKMON IS NOW AN ELITE PROSPECT) than a bunch of pieces. Again, I think consolidating is the best thing people with strong teams can do!'djmich said:
I'm on the Julio side as well.
In this draft I don't see a huge difference between 1.06 and 1.08. There is a possibility that Powell is the Jets starting RB this season. Shonn Greene is a UFA and the Jets are currently $20 MM over the cap with only 11 starters from last season under contract - they may not find a better RB in the draft and it's unlikely that they have the money to sign a productive FA. Powell actually looked pretty explosive when he got his carries (of course when the comparison is Shonn Greene it's not tough to look more expolsive).I don't see that as such a terrible trade. It's very possible that the player taken at 1.08 outperforms the player taken at 1.06. If Powell works out, then all the better.'Skeletore Eh said:
Cruz side by a wide margin for me.
1) I like the Mendy, Holmes side.....not because of Mendy, but because Holmes is underrated and should land on a team in need and a viable QB. I see Holmes rebounding huge this year. At 1.06, that team will be lucky to get a WR of Holmes' talent.2) Give me 2.1 scratch off lottery ticket. Roberts might turn out to be a good #3 WR if a QB lands in ARI, but honestly if you are counting on Roberts as a starter in a dynasty league your squad has problems.3) I like the Kaepernick, Hilton, 1.10, and 2014 2nd4) Give me Jennings + 1.11 simply because McFadden can't stay healthy.
I really don't see how Cruz and jones are as similar as they come?I'll easily take the Julio side. He's the type of player you build a team around. He's three years younger and I don't think he has come close to fulfilling his potential (while still out scoring Cruz this past season). I also see these two trending in opposite directions production wise next year. With a healthy nicks I think Cruz's production will dip while Julio's will continue to increase with the likely retirement of tony g and the continual aging of white.
Julio side for me. Some already value Julio over Calvin. In those leagues where Julio is not already untouchable (like the one above), this is the last year that he can be acquired (at least until he turns 28+).
I'll tell you where Holmes is going to land this year. Where is is right now. The Jets can't cut him because of the cap hit and no team is going to take on that contract.
A healthy Nicks? Never heard of him. It's the Cruz show in new York. Nicks won't be a giant after next season.
Yeah, you are right....I heard on the radio that he's a FA, but double checked after I posted and he's not a FA until 2016. I guess I would change my mind and stick with the 1.06 pick given this information.
They are both young enough that I'm not going to put any added weight on being 23 vs 26 years old.Their scoring in 2012 was almost identical (7 total points separating the two of them).Julio may 'fulfill his potential', but what would that look like? Something like 80+ catches, 1500+ yards, 8+ TDs that Cruz already accomplished *all the way back* in 2011?What if the attention that White and Gonzo is getting is actually helping Jones?
A healthy Nicks? Never heard of him. It's the Cruz show in new York. Nicks won't be a giant after next season.
Cruz's production is higher when Nicks is playing - it opens things up for him. They play two different positions and the NYG offense is mismatch/audible based. They don't force feed guys. I agree Julio is more valuable, but not by that amount. Cecil Shorts is a high upside WR2, in my opinion. He is what Cruz was during his breakout season.
