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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (3 Viewers)
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GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Thanks! I had a plan when I traded away Nicks... The guy I traded Nicks to had the 1.2 & 1.3 and I had a feeling that the guy who had Harvin really coveted a high pick this yr from previous discussions we had. I took a risk though because we had not discussed anything specifically but I felt I MAY be able to pry Harvin away with the 1.2 and some other players and he was in dire need of a viable TE.
This gamble paid off but it doesn't always work that way. I feel like I got kinda lucky that it panned out.
To be fair, Team B had recently acquired Cam Newton in a good trade, so RG3 was not needed by Team B. I agree Team B should have gotten more though.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
I was in the pool
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
"It's close, but we're not quite there. Throw in your 2015 1st and we have a deal."
"Ok."
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Your roster is stacked, so not much to question. But do you think Harvin is worth Nicks, 2014 1st, Little, Bennet?
One More Rep
Footballguy
Very even for me, I like Kaepernick just a little better but can see preferring Wilson
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I like both guys, but after doing some thinking, and looking at stats, Wilson is starting to pull away for me. He had 393 passing attemps last year. The lowest by a QB starting all 16 games. The Jax duo threw for 585. Stafford almost doubled that number, with 727. There is a lot of room for increased production, and I think he can handle it, as he showed in ATL, behind, on the road, in the playoffs.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
I like team B by a solid margin. Until I see RG3 back to his old form, I have him a tier behind Luck in 6pt passing leagues. I like Green more than Bryant, as well. I think the upside is even, but team A took more risk without being rewarded for doing so. I'd need a mid-first to consider.
Not a bad trade, however, as Bryant and RG3 are elite talents and both have top 2 or 3 potential at their positions.
ETA: Actually, more than a first round pick. Based on ADP, team A traded a top 3 pick and a late 2nd for a late first and late 3rd.
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East Bay Rounder
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Please explain how Dez' "attitude" has anything whatsoever to do with his future NFL and/or fantasy production. TIA.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Ummmmm, might be better for you to explain how it DOESN'T.
Cause pretty sure 99.9% of Dez owners are worried at least a little bit about it.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I am a big Dez fan - own him everywhere and don't own Green anywhere - but there are certainly some red flags. When compared to another elite talent, like Green, I think it should be taken into consideration. If Dez didn't have said issues, I think he'd have an argument for being more valuable than Green.
Benched, traded, suspended, jail, etc. The guy's mom called the cops on him for hitting her. His mom.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
He's not getting benched, ever. Traded? Maybe a very small chance I guess but it's Dallas and Jerry was cool with Michael Irvin and TO. Suspended? Doesn't matter IMO - a few games weighed against 150+ games likely remaining in his career. Jail? What has he really done? Brandon Marshall is waaaaaay worse. Vick, Jamal Lewis, Leonard Little, Kenny Britt, Moss, TO, etc. When you are a famous athlete with millions of dollars you need to do something truly outrageous for it to impact your career a la Rae Carruth. Otherwise you're good to go if you can play at a high level.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I think you're downplaying the risk, myself. Again, the guy hit his mom. That could have carried jail time. What if he hit a woman without incnetive to withdraw the claims and not press charges? Vick did time and clearly hurt his dynasty stock. Little missed half a season. Moss and TO are examples that support your claims, but they didn't commit crimes, that I recall right now. Look at what happened to his team this year; one life is over and one career is over, based on poor decisions. It can happen. I am not saying it is likely, but when I am comparing him to AJ Green, I'm accounting for it.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
On my phone so I'm not looking it up but wasn't the thing with his Mom likely a money grab by her? IIRC she's a junkie too. Not defending Dez as a great human being, but there are PLENTY of guys with much, much worse rap sheets that have never done one minute of jail time, or received more than a slap on the wrist from the league. And Moss ran over a mall cop with a joint in his ashtray in Minnesota...
Concept Coop
Footballguy
No. Bryant didnt' deny that something happened, just that it was assault, so it wasn't a money grab. On the 911 call she said it has happened many times. I know she did have drug issues, but I think everyone involved claims that she is clean now. Honestly, who knows? I sure don't know what happened or what will happen in the future.
I just think it comes down to personal risk. As I said, I am not afraid to invest in Dez, and have many times over. But I will let it move me towards Green, in a choice between the two. Just my opinion on the matter.
Bamac
Footballguy
We'll probably never know what happened, but Dez recently spoke at a domestic abuse rally and said "I'm done with domestic abuse." Interesting choice of words.
I was Team B, so I obviously like the Luck/Green side of the trade better. But that said, I can see good arguments for favoring the RG3/Dez side.
Luck/Green carry risk of underperforming their potential for the next few years, and being good-not-great FF plays. Indy is not a strong team right now, it's got troubles at OL, Luck's primary WR (Wayne) is almost 35 and there's no clear heir in place, and there's no strong RB to keep the pressure off him. Andy Dalton is a solid QB, but has not shown himself to be a gifted QB, and he does not seem to play an aggressive downfield passing game.
RG3 & Dez certainly carry some personal risk too. RG3 has injury potential because of his style of play, and Dez has a knucklehead factor. But their teams are competitive right now, and Jones/Snyder will do whatever they can to surround these guys with weapons. Lots of upside potential for the next few years.
I think Luck/Green will be a better pair over a five-year period, but RG3/Dez might be a slightly better pair over a 1-2 year period.
Luck/Green carry risk of underperforming their potential for the next few years, and being good-not-great FF plays. Indy is not a strong team right now, it's got troubles at OL, Luck's primary WR (Wayne) is almost 35 and there's no clear heir in place, and there's no strong RB to keep the pressure off him. Andy Dalton is a solid QB, but has not shown himself to be a gifted QB, and he does not seem to play an aggressive downfield passing game.
RG3 & Dez certainly carry some personal risk too. RG3 has injury potential because of his style of play, and Dez has a knucklehead factor. But their teams are competitive right now, and Jones/Snyder will do whatever they can to surround these guys with weapons. Lots of upside potential for the next few years.
I think Luck/Green will be a better pair over a five-year period, but RG3/Dez might be a slightly better pair over a 1-2 year period.
I agree that the trade is a little off. But when you only need 12 starting QB's they just don't have that much value. QB values go down when you have larger starting requirements. It isn't that hard to find 12 solid QBs you would be ok with starting. How many dynasty league champs had a top 3 QB last year? I know our leagues champ didn't.
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
In THIS format I think that he is worth that... remember this is a return yardage bonus league so every 30 yds returning is another pt.
Maybe they dont use Harvin in that role as much or maybe they do.
Also dont forget that in trade #2 I got back a 2014 1st rd pick (which could be turned into this yrs 2.8 if he so chooses on draft day)
I acquired Bennett in a 1 for 1 trade earlier this offseason for Marvin Jones (he has Sanu and Dalton and is a Cal Bears fan)
end result after all the shuffling is this...
my starters at WR were
Cobb
Demaryius Thomas
Nicks
& now the starters at WR are
Julio
Demaryius Thomas
Harvin
Hopefully they stay healthy
East Bay Rounder
Footballguy
I think it's been articulated pretty well above, but there is more risk that a player with an attitude and track record like Dez's will have more negative effects on his performance (suspensions, inability to practice, etc). In comparison to AJG, it matters. In comparison to getting a lesser WR, it may not matter in deciding to trade for him.
Not saying he's not talented or won't be productive, but I'd rather have great players with great attitudes than great players with bad attitudes. Hell... Dez may become the #1 WR in FFB for the long term, but the risk is greater than that of AJG doing the same.
It is trades like this that make me think there should be some sort of test given to owners before they are allowed to trade in a league, to see if they actually have some clue of Dynasty trade value (which didn't seem to be the case here).
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Without knowing what each team has already in the cupboard I tend to like this for the James Jones side... Proven player who improved quite a bit last yr and now with Jennings gone he should keep a sizeable piece of the pie IMO.
I really like the idea of the pick from winning the toilet bowl.
I will be implementing that in future seasons.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
12 team PPR start 1/2/2/1 and a flex QB Heavy (0.1pts per 10yards passing)
Gave
2014 1st (had the 11th pick this year)
Got
Steven Jackson
2.07
Kirk cousins
Lineup now is
Rg3
Charles
Jackson
Green
Nelson
Decker / Amendola
Hernandez
Previous Rb2 was BJGE so I needed the upgrade as I'm without a 1st rounder this year.
Gave
2014 1st (had the 11th pick this year)
Got
Steven Jackson
2.07
Kirk cousins
Lineup now is
Rg3
Charles
Jackson
Green
Nelson
Decker / Amendola
Hernandez
Previous Rb2 was BJGE so I needed the upgrade as I'm without a 1st rounder this year.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
With all the WR in this draft I wouldn't pay that much for Jones. His value could drop quickly if they draft someone. Pick 13 is more than enough IMO.GoodLloydHaveMercy said:
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
No way Eifert makes it to 1.9 in this format, I guess. If he does, Team A blew it hard. Would think you could have aimed higher, even with this format.
No chance Eifert makes it to 1.09 in this format...he will probably go in the top 3 and there is almost no chance he gets past 1.4...In fact the top 2 te's will be gone prior to 1.09. This is more like Escobar, Kelce or Reed for Pettigrew.
loose circuits
Footballguy
defending this deal is silly. It's as bad of deal as I've ever seenPastor said:
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Did this trade have anything to do Eifert? Pettigrew is terrible and now Reggie is going to take a chuck of is production away; great steal on the 1.09
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
Just made this trade in a 12 team PPR dynasty league
I gave: Stafford, Hilton, 3.9I got: RG3, 1.8, 2.8
I gave: Stafford, Hilton, 3.9I got: RG3, 1.8, 2.8
cusefan115
Footballguy
kineticnfl
Footballguy
This is only my 2nd year of keeper/dynasty leagues so by the sounds of it I need to reevaluate my player values. Reggie was my best WR last season and I really like Wright, if Locker wasn't the QB. Rudolph is a starting TE and better than what he had so he did ok I thought. Looks like I was overvaluing my players and undervaluing Cruz.Please don't insinuate I deliberately riped someone off. That was not my intention. I prefer to make fair trades so in the future I will have willing trade partners.Phenix said:
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
You did good. Don't worry about phenix. He just stirs the pot
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
16 team PPR, start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (R/W/T)
Team A gives Kevin Kolb
Team B gives Santonio Holmes
Not involved in this one.
Team A gives Kevin Kolb
Team B gives Santonio Holmes
Not involved in this one.
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
I'll take the Cobb side.Dreamer said:
East Bay Rounder
Footballguy
12 Team, PPR (.5RB, 1WR, 1.25TE)
Team A gets: TRich, Rudolph, SidRice, Hardesty, Schaub
Team B gets: Graham, Nicks, BTate, MBush, Cutler
Team A gets: TRich, Rudolph, SidRice, Hardesty, Schaub
Team B gets: Graham, Nicks, BTate, MBush, Cutler
cstu
Footballguy
In a 15 man keeper studs are worth even more. Depending on the other guy's roster I won't call it a ripoff but it's a great deal for kinetic.
loose circuits
Footballguy
not sure i agree with the logic. Seems like the gap between Decker and Austin as well as Cutler & Locker is more significant then the gap between Tate & Quick especially since Quick looks like a high potential starter with VJax ceiling. Not sure about this one, but maybe I haven't dropped Decker enough since Welker arrived
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squistion
Footballguy
Hell. I can't give Ballard away in the league I own him, let alone get a player like Hernandez.
One More Rep
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Maybe we need two threads. One thread with realistic trades, and one with total ripoffs like this.
I mean, thanks for posting a completed trade for us to see, but wow, I am dumber for seeing this I think.
