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I would have liked to see Kliff, more innovative and also experienced with Murray. I saw nothing out of Dal and Chargers which impressed me.
Not that play. That play will take 5 seconds to develop. Please no
Yes to more i-formation. I believe with the league moving to almost nickel centric speed sideline to sideline, bringing back the overload in the middle of the field is critical on first and/or second down. Reducing negative plays should be what all the stat kids should be saying. Keep the defense on the field, time of possession, then play action later in the game. Try and play from ahead, reduce the offensive plays from your opponent. Sometimes it feels the only has to beat a Mahomes type player is to not let him have the ball.
Why do you think that’s on the OC and not the player?
I like the Moore hire a bit better than Fangio, but we haven’t had much luck with former Cowboys having success here so
That's what I'm concerned about.Wow, I actually thought Eagles hiring “Killem” Moore was a joke? Oof, maybe he works out for you guys but dude was a bust in Dallas and then again for the Chargers. A lot of Daks problems two years ago were Kellens play calling and reads he wanted. Proof is look at Daks improvement in completions and INT’s once he was ran out. Dallas fans were stoked to see his predictable play calling out of there. Then what did he do for Hebert? I expect about week 6 the Philly crowd will have him screaming to be placed in the witness protection program unless he has learned a new formula on how to do his job since leaving another team.
Fangio on the other hand, seems like a massive upgrade for your defense.
Wow, I actually thought Eagles hiring “Killem” Moore was a joke? Oof, maybe he works out for you guys but dude was a bust in Dallas and then again for the Chargers. A lot of Daks problems two years ago were Kellens play calling and reads he wanted. Proof is look at Daks improvement in completions and INT’s once he was ran out. Dallas fans were stoked to see his predictable play calling out of there. Then what did he do for Hebert? I expect about week 6 the Philly crowd will have him screaming to be placed in the witness protection program unless he has learned a new formula on how to do his job since leaving another team.
Fangio on the other hand, seems like a massive upgrade for your defense.
Dak hasn’t said anything that I know of bad about Kellen. That’s not his style.
This.
No doubt it was ultimately on Dak, who we have seen make questionable throws. But Kellen was doing him no favors with predictable calls that other teams DB’s were even saying they knew what was coming. Once Moore was happily shipped out of here, it’s no secret what Dak was saying- without actually saying it- when he said “the interceptions problem will stop this year”. And it basically did (until the playoffs
as is the norm in Dallas). Dak was an MVP nominee this year and I don’t believe it was that he suddenly “learned how to play better” as much as it was a much better game plan and calls from a coach that was respected by the team a lot more. Laugh at MM all you want about his playoff losses, but he 100% improved the offenses play this year across the board.
No doubt it was ultimately on Dak, who we have seen make questionable throws. But Kellen was doing him no favors with predictable calls that other teams DB’s were even saying they knew what was coming. Once Moore was happily shipped out of here, it’s no secret what Dak was saying- without actually saying it- when he said “the interceptions problem will stop this year”. And it basically did (until the playoffs
Sorry, not a “bash” as much as a real head scratcher after witnessing his offense?? Really don’t see where his track record matches the rush to sign him as if he was the hot candidate. Maybe he’s improved, and hopefully atleast an improvement over what you had. Other guy must have REALLLLLY sucked. NFC East fans are way more worried about your DC hire. I like Fangio
It's not like there was a huge amount of QB coaches out there that were big hot candidates and sure things though either. Moore was a hot name once Harbaugh was signed and his foot was out the door. Again, he has experience, good knowledge, play calling ability, and gives us motion to our offense. These were GLARING holes we had this year and he fills them all more than any other available coach could have. He's not some savior that will be a HOF head coach, but he is definitely who we needed. At least who we needed to give a shot to anyways. And yes, our other guy REALLLLLY sucked.Sorry, not a “bash” as much as a real head scratcher after witnessing his offense?? Really don’t see where his track record matches the rush to sign him as if he was the hot candidate. Maybe he’s improved, and hopefully atleast an improvement over what you had. Other guy must have REALLLLLY sucked. NFC East fans are way more worried about your DC hire. I like Fangio
No doubt it was ultimately on Dak, who we have seen make questionable throws. But Kellen was doing him no favors with predictable calls that other teams DB’s were even saying they knew what was coming. Once Moore was happily shipped out of here, it’s no secret what Dak was saying- without actually saying it- when he said “the interceptions problem will stop this year”. And it basically did (until the playoffs
Correct. Those issues are ultimately on the player.No doubt it was ultimately on Dak, who we have seen make questionable throws. But Kellen was doing him no favors with predictable calls that other teams DB’s were even saying they knew what was coming. Once Moore was happily shipped out of here, it’s no secret what Dak was saying- without actually saying it- when he said “the interceptions problem will stop this year”. And it basically did (until the playoffs
Or when Tony Romo started broadcasting and called like every play lol. People are shocked that players who do this for a living might see something coming lol
100% and if he takes the next steps and grows there’s a chance he replaces Nick as the play calling HC we clearly want.
How is that any different than you getting your panties in a bunch and defending Kellen?
Ok board cop
I’ll leave it at this:Correct. Those issues are ultimately on the player.No doubt it was ultimately on Dak, who we have seen make questionable throws. But Kellen was doing him no favors with predictable calls that other teams DB’s were even saying they knew what was coming. Once Moore was happily shipped out of here, it’s no secret what Dak was saying- without actually saying it- when he said “the interceptions problem will stop this year”. And it basically did (until the playoffs
As far as the predictability, it happens both ways right? Offenses know what the defense is running as well, right? Defenses are bound to know what calls are coming from time to time. Using things like these as a “gotcha” moment by the media has become laughable at times.
So Moore was QB coach in 2018. OC from 2019-2022. During that time Dak has his highest yardage and TD totals as well and it’s McCarthy who were crediting with Dak’s success? The same issues that have plagued the player in the past showed themself in the playoff loss, who’s that on Moore or McCarthy? It’s the player
The track record is clearly there. This is a 35 year old who’s been calling plays for 5 years and seems to be well respected around the league.
The Chargers up until a couple days ago have blocked him from interviewing as well and he just recently became available.
Yeah, but look at all the injuries he had to deal with on offense. Same with Fangio with the Miami defense. Both are great coordinators who had a run of bad luck with player injuries.
I guess we'll see but these hires are pretty underwhelming.
1. Coaches change. I think he has gotten more experience, and again, considering the options, this is great.I’ll leave it at this:Correct. Those issues are ultimately on the player.No doubt it was ultimately on Dak, who we have seen make questionable throws. But Kellen was doing him no favors with predictable calls that other teams DB’s were even saying they knew what was coming. Once Moore was happily shipped out of here, it’s no secret what Dak was saying- without actually saying it- when he said “the interceptions problem will stop this year”. And it basically did (until the playoffs
As far as the predictability, it happens both ways right? Offenses know what the defense is running as well, right? Defenses are bound to know what calls are coming from time to time. Using things like these as a “gotcha” moment by the media has become laughable at times.
So Moore was QB coach in 2018. OC from 2019-2022. During that time Dak has his highest yardage and TD totals as well and it’s McCarthy who were crediting with Dak’s success? The same issues that have plagued the player in the past showed themself in the playoff loss, who’s that on Moore or McCarthy? It’s the player
The track record is clearly there. This is a 35 year old who’s been calling plays for 5 years and seems to be well respected around the league.
The Chargers up until a couple days ago have blocked him from interviewing as well and he just recently became available.
Go read the threads when he was an OC in Dallas. Cowboy fans were cussing him and wanting him gone. Eagles fans were hoping he would stay. Dallas fans celebrated when he was sent packing, Eagles were wishing he had stayed.
He goes to the Chargers and the offense was ranked 18th and Herbert, who was thought a consensus top 4-6 QB, wasn’t so good anymore. Chargers now let him go explore other opportunities and Eagles hire him and now love him. Fan glasses are an amazing thing, I get it.
If you don’t agree with all those things, then I can shake hands and move on.
Who would you have preferred? Names.
I’ll leave it at this:Correct. Those issues are ultimately on the player.No doubt it was ultimately on Dak, who we have seen make questionable throws. But Kellen was doing him no favors with predictable calls that other teams DB’s were even saying they knew what was coming. Once Moore was happily shipped out of here, it’s no secret what Dak was saying- without actually saying it- when he said “the interceptions problem will stop this year”. And it basically did (until the playoffs
As far as the predictability, it happens both ways right? Offenses know what the defense is running as well, right? Defenses are bound to know what calls are coming from time to time. Using things like these as a “gotcha” moment by the media has become laughable at times.
So Moore was QB coach in 2018. OC from 2019-2022. During that time Dak has his highest yardage and TD totals as well and it’s McCarthy who were crediting with Dak’s success? The same issues that have plagued the player in the past showed themself in the playoff loss, who’s that on Moore or McCarthy? It’s the player
The track record is clearly there. This is a 35 year old who’s been calling plays for 5 years and seems to be well respected around the league.
The Chargers up until a couple days ago have blocked him from interviewing as well and he just recently became available.
Go read the threads when he was an OC in Dallas. Cowboy fans were cussing him and wanting him gone. Eagles fans were hoping he would stay. Dallas fans celebrated when he was sent packing, Eagles were wishing he had stayed.
He goes to the Chargers and the offense was ranked 18th and Herbert, who was thought a consensus top 4-6 QB, wasn’t so good anymore. Chargers now let him go explore other opportunities and Eagles hire him and now love him. Fan glasses are an amazing thing, I get it.
If you don’t agree with all those things, then I can shake hands and move on.
I would have liked a change in scheme on Defense. Rivera would have been interesting instead of trying this bend and usually break defense again.
Sorry, not a “bash” as much as a real head scratcher after witnessing his offense?? Really don’t see where his track record matches the rush to sign him as if he was the hot candidate. Maybe he’s improved, and hopefully atleast an improvement over what you had. Other guy must have REALLLLLY sucked. NFC East fans are way more worried about your DC hire. I like Fangio
1) Sounds like your management limited your options then. Because there are more to be considered once season is over.1. Coaches change. I think he has gotten more experience, and again, considering the options, this is great.I’ll leave it at this:Correct. Those issues are ultimately on the player.No doubt it was ultimately on Dak, who we have seen make questionable throws. But Kellen was doing him no favors with predictable calls that other teams DB’s were even saying they knew what was coming. Once Moore was happily shipped out of here, it’s no secret what Dak was saying- without actually saying it- when he said “the interceptions problem will stop this year”. And it basically did (until the playoffs
As far as the predictability, it happens both ways right? Offenses know what the defense is running as well, right? Defenses are bound to know what calls are coming from time to time. Using things like these as a “gotcha” moment by the media has become laughable at times.
So Moore was QB coach in 2018. OC from 2019-2022. During that time Dak has his highest yardage and TD totals as well and it’s McCarthy who were crediting with Dak’s success? The same issues that have plagued the player in the past showed themself in the playoff loss, who’s that on Moore or McCarthy? It’s the player
The track record is clearly there. This is a 35 year old who’s been calling plays for 5 years and seems to be well respected around the league.
The Chargers up until a couple days ago have blocked him from interviewing as well and he just recently became available.
Go read the threads when he was an OC in Dallas. Cowboy fans were cussing him and wanting him gone. Eagles fans were hoping he would stay. Dallas fans celebrated when he was sent packing, Eagles were wishing he had stayed.
He goes to the Chargers and the offense was ranked 18th and Herbert, who was thought a consensus top 4-6 QB, wasn’t so good anymore. Chargers now let him go explore other opportunities and Eagles hire him and now love him. Fan glasses are an amazing thing, I get it.
If you don’t agree with all those things, then I can shake hands and move on.
2. Chargers did not "let him go explore other opportunities". They blocked him from interviewing for any other OC positions this offseason. Harbaugh was hired and wants his own guys, so he was gone.
3. If you think Eagles fans (especially in here) are too HIGH on our own players/team, then I don't know what you're reading. Not sure of any fan base that's as HARD on our own players/coaches as we are.
4. It's absolutely wild how Cowboys fans like to gatekeep Eagles fandom and tell them how/when they should/shouldn't cheer or boo.
5. If you knew our weaknesses last year, this is as good of a hire as it gets. Sure he could suck, but it's promising that we actually went out and got a guy whose strengths are the exact things we need to fix.
So maybe if you only had one option then I’d say good call.
You can hop in any thread and see fans saying things where they end up wrong, right?I’ll leave it at this:
Go read the threads when he was an OC in Dallas. Cowboy fans were cussing him and wanting him gone. Eagles fans were hoping he would stay. Dallas fans celebrated when he was sent packing, Eagles were wishing he had stayed.
He goes to the Chargers and the offense was ranked 18th and Herbert, who was thought a consensus top 4-6 QB, wasn’t so good anymore. Chargers now let him go explore other opportunities and Eagles hire him and now love him. Fan glasses are an amazing thing, I get it.
If you don’t agree with all those things, then I can shake hands and move on.
1) Sure, but there was a lot of OC jobs open, and from the sounds of the reports, he was sought after. Sometimes you need to just go for it.1) Sounds like your management limited your options then. Because there are more to be considered once season is over.1. Coaches change. I think he has gotten more experience, and again, considering the options, this is great.I’ll leave it at this:Correct. Those issues are ultimately on the player.No doubt it was ultimately on Dak, who we have seen make questionable throws. But Kellen was doing him no favors with predictable calls that other teams DB’s were even saying they knew what was coming. Once Moore was happily shipped out of here, it’s no secret what Dak was saying- without actually saying it- when he said “the interceptions problem will stop this year”. And it basically did (until the playoffs
As far as the predictability, it happens both ways right? Offenses know what the defense is running as well, right? Defenses are bound to know what calls are coming from time to time. Using things like these as a “gotcha” moment by the media has become laughable at times.
So Moore was QB coach in 2018. OC from 2019-2022. During that time Dak has his highest yardage and TD totals as well and it’s McCarthy who were crediting with Dak’s success? The same issues that have plagued the player in the past showed themself in the playoff loss, who’s that on Moore or McCarthy? It’s the player
The track record is clearly there. This is a 35 year old who’s been calling plays for 5 years and seems to be well respected around the league.
The Chargers up until a couple days ago have blocked him from interviewing as well and he just recently became available.
Go read the threads when he was an OC in Dallas. Cowboy fans were cussing him and wanting him gone. Eagles fans were hoping he would stay. Dallas fans celebrated when he was sent packing, Eagles were wishing he had stayed.
He goes to the Chargers and the offense was ranked 18th and Herbert, who was thought a consensus top 4-6 QB, wasn’t so good anymore. Chargers now let him go explore other opportunities and Eagles hire him and now love him. Fan glasses are an amazing thing, I get it.
If you don’t agree with all those things, then I can shake hands and move on.
2. Chargers did not "let him go explore other opportunities". They blocked him from interviewing for any other OC positions this offseason. Harbaugh was hired and wants his own guys, so he was gone.
3. If you think Eagles fans (especially in here) are too HIGH on our own players/team, then I don't know what you're reading. Not sure of any fan base that's as HARD on our own players/coaches as we are.
4. It's absolutely wild how Cowboys fans like to gatekeep Eagles fandom and tell them how/when they should/shouldn't cheer or boo.
5. If you knew our weaknesses last year, this is as good of a hire as it gets. Sure he could suck, but it's promising that we actually went out and got a guy whose strengths are the exact things we need to fix.
2) But if he was as good as you think, maybe Harbaugh would atleast kick his tires as opposed to kick him out? Then end came extremely quick for him.
3) Eagles are well known for being over the top high before the hire/player does anything, but yes extremely brutal once they fail….so I half agree. (Big Balls Howie to Fire Howie; Doug is Lombardi, to get him out of town;Nakobe Dean draft day steal, etc)
4) I’ve never gate kept or told how you should cheer, but yes some do. Just as plenty of Eagles fans do the same. It’s human nature I guess? Most of my conversations with Eagles fans, except a couple of prix is usually good or atleast entertaining.
5) 100% agree with you. Plus if Moore works out, I’m sure the gate keepers will have a field day on how an ex Cowboy had to fix your Hurts ( pun intended)
Yep... we are 'bad fans' (and it needs to be pointed out), any time a guy turns out that we thought wouldn't, or a guy doesn't turn out that we thought would. How dare we have excitement or pessimism!It’s almost like things change and your opinion changes with it. Or are you both advocating everyone just simply say “we’ll see” for all developments? Good lord
I don’t understand how you can type it and then someone quote it, on a fantasy football message board. This place is littered with thousands of takes similar to the ones mentioned above.Yep... we are 'bad fans' (and it needs to be pointed out), any time a guy turns out that we thought wouldn't, or a guy doesn't turn out that we thought would. How dare we have excitement or pessimism!It’s almost like things change and your opinion changes with it. Or are you both advocating everyone just simply say “we’ll see” for all developments? Good lord
They are emotional still after telling us how much better they were all season then made it no further than we did. Dak is consistent if nothing else.Yep... we are 'bad fans' (and it needs to be pointed out), any time a guy turns out that we thought wouldn't, or a guy doesn't turn out that we thought would. How dare we have excitement or pessimism!It’s almost like things change and your opinion changes with it. Or are you both advocating everyone just simply say “we’ll see” for all developments? Good lord
Detroit has got this..Thanks for nothing, Ravens. Forcing us to root for Andy Reid in the SB if SF beats DET.
Thanks for nothing, Ravens. Forcing us to root for Andy Reid in the SB if SF beats DET.
I hope so, love Dan Campbell and how he coaches.Detroit has got this..Thanks for nothing, Ravens. Forcing us to root for Andy Reid in the SB if SF beats DET.
