Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Too bad the refs didn't let them sort it out like hockey. Next to Hines Ward there's no one I'd rather see taken apart than Finnegan. Johnson was about to wreck him.
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Andre Johnson ejected from Hou-Ten game (1 Viewer)
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theplayer11
Footballguy
no chance it will be 2....and if AJ gets 1 game, so will Finnegan
bbuster
Footballguy
I understand all the speculation about whether AJ will get a suspension, but you guys who say he made the wrong "choice" and deserves it...come on! I highly doubt any guy in here wouldn't have responded the same as AJ in the heat of the moment. I've played sports all my life and I can guarantee I would have responded the same way and I don't even have being a dude or testosterone as an excuse.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Yeah, it gave Tennessee that critical edge during those last three minutes of that nail-biter of a ballgame.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
If anyone is getting suspended it's Finnegan. What is it, like his 5 fight? They never suspended him before and this is the first time Johnson has even been subject to a fine by the NFL. I'm glad Johnson smacked him around.
With all that said, I've never seen a fight like that where helmets were pulled off and full bombs were dropped and connected. Pretty entertaining. Lucky Johnson didn't break his hand punching on the top of the head. That's the hardest part of the human body.
With all that said, I've never seen a fight like that where helmets were pulled off and full bombs were dropped and connected. Pretty entertaining. Lucky Johnson didn't break his hand punching on the top of the head. That's the hardest part of the human body.
I'm wondering if some of y'all are watching the same replay's I am on the internet. It's obvious that after they trade hands to the face and Finnegan's helmet pops off, he grabs AJ's facemask with his left hand and punches him with his right... then rips AJ's helmet off and throws it at which point AJ punches him as they are going down to the ground. AJ then rains one or two on him before they pop up and the teammates/officials seperate them.
Maybe Finnegan wasn't punching him and was going for the facemask, but it is really hard to tell in the replay coverage. Definitely looks like he takes a swing there and wrenches off AJ's helmet after which point AJ clocks him.
Maybe Finnegan wasn't punching him and was going for the facemask, but it is really hard to tell in the replay coverage. Definitely looks like he takes a swing there and wrenches off AJ's helmet after which point AJ clocks him.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Something the Hornet and I agree upon??!!
cobalt_27
Footballguy
your boy turtled and aj still put on a beatdown. Was awesome to watch. Aj doesn't get suspended but finnegan should...and will.Titans are pathetic.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Excellent post. Fisher is the only redeemable figure associated with the titans and he clearly has his eyes set on getting the heck out of that dive after the season ends.
bmetz
Footballguy
:( Preach it, woman.
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
Who do you think taught Finnegan how to play football? The Titans have long been known as a dirty team especially on defense, and Fisher is the one pushing all of them.
bmetz
Footballguy
I'm guessing they will announce the fine/suspension tomorrow.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Preach it, woman.
About the best we can expect from Titans fans. Nice job this season. Solid work. Can't play for ####, so your ### clowns just flop and get the crap beat out of 'em. Titans pride.
Dt's Mules
Footballguy
Yeah, it's unfortunate that Finnegan's helmet just popped off. If it weren't for that faulty equipment, who knows, maybe all this would have been avoided. Why does who one roots for affect their perception of reality.
I just can't see any justification that AJ gets = punishment to Finnegan based on what happened today. Now, if the league wants to bring in prior history into the equation, that's another story.
knickstorm
Footballguy
does football work like basketball where a player can appeal the suspension and play until the appeal is decided upon?
jojoh07
Footballguy
ZING
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
This. Who we root for (or against) tends to color our opinions on these things. Ravens fans hate Hines Ward and call him dirty, but he'd be the Hero of Baltimore if he wore purple. Same with Ray Lewis - would be loved in Pittsburgh if he played there, but he's a thug because he plays for the Ravens.That being said, Finnegan is a bit of a punk and has been baiting guys for years. More power to him if he can make it work to his advantage, but I can't say I was sorry to see AJ clock him.
Billy Costigan Jr
Footballguy
Why was he clapping? He got his ### beat.
towney
Footballguy
It's kind of classic that a defensive player gets a beat down by an offensive player. Now Mr. Finnegan can watch himself as well as millions of others getting his a## kicked. I think the clapping of his hands was his way of saying man am I glad I got out of this in one piece.
Clearly AJ was provoked on this one and I hope what ever the NFL decides it applies to Finnegan too.
Clearly AJ was provoked on this one and I hope what ever the NFL decides it applies to Finnegan too.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Not that it matters but Seymour said that Roethlisberger didn't say anything to him. The thing that made Seymour look bad is he hit a guy in the face that was looking away and about 10 seconds after the play. At least the Johnson & Finnegan situation occurred during the heat of battle.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Wadsworth
Footballguy
As a Jags fan I enjoyed watching that beat down on many levels. But mostly it was nice to see Cortland get some of what he's deserved for a long time. That guy is a tool and no, I wouldn't love it if he was a on my team. I don't like cheering for punkish dirty player no matter what uni they have on at the time.
jsharlan
Footballguy
Finnegan is a moral less thug no matter who he played for. I would not want him on my team in any fashion. For some of us being a football fan is more than just winning at all cost, its being able to have guys I can point to for my kids to look up to and idolize. I don't want my son to see the owner shooting the bird to Buffalo fans, the defensive coordinator flipping off the ref, or some low life cornerback starting fights every week. I'm not going to sit there and explain to him that, "this guys is lowlife scum son, but we are going to cheer for him because winning is more important."
yes for drug stuff but what's Andre going to claim here? He didn't swing at Finnegan?This is the "it takes two to tango" thing
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Didn't say it was right, but I'd bet a vast majority of fans will tend to overlook iffy play more if the player doing it is on the team they root for. And will go off the deep end if he plays for the team they're rooting against. It's human nature - see just about any game thread on any Sunday, any GB/Minny thread, the Big Ben threads about his legal problems, Pats threads, etc....
jsharlan
Footballguy
I'm not disagreeing that you are right about the majority feeling that way. I only hope that those that do haven't had young children yet so they are thinking from a different perspective.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Zero percent chance the Commish gets it right, but if he's serious about cleaning this kind of thing up...
One game to Finnegan for instigating, one for fighting, one for failing to leave the field promptly after his red card.
One to AJ for fighting.
Punish the guy who's behind it.
One game to Finnegan for instigating, one for fighting, one for failing to leave the field promptly after his red card.
One to AJ for fighting.
Punish the guy who's behind it.
Isn't red card soccer?I could agree with Finnegan two and Andre one, sounds reasonable
Shutout
Footballguy
I think AJ's saving grace is that Finnegan has priors and was warned by the league. He is a well known instigator and AJ is about as classy as it goes. He also lost time in that game so he was suspended for the remiander. I expect a huge fine (about $25K per swing) and a stern notice.For Cortland, I expect a lesser fine but perhaps a suspension and/or some mandated anger management type classes.
jsharlan
Footballguy
Just looking over the post game quotes shows you all you need to know about how this team is coached from guys like Chuck Cecil.
"Cecil said he didn’t see Finnegan throw any punches and was confused about why his cornerback was ejected.
"It’s a shame,” he said. “It’s a situation where we wanted Cortland to challenge Andre today, and I think he did that. To see it end like that is a shame.
“I saw their guy throw two absolute haymakers at Cortland, and Cortland didn’t retaliate, so I’m a bit confused about what he did to cause the ejection.”
I guess in Tennessee its not a retaliation unless you pull out a gun like in the Last Boy Scout.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/7314816.html
"Cecil said he didn’t see Finnegan throw any punches and was confused about why his cornerback was ejected.
"It’s a shame,” he said. “It’s a situation where we wanted Cortland to challenge Andre today, and I think he did that. To see it end like that is a shame.
“I saw their guy throw two absolute haymakers at Cortland, and Cortland didn’t retaliate, so I’m a bit confused about what he did to cause the ejection.”
I guess in Tennessee its not a retaliation unless you pull out a gun like in the Last Boy Scout.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/7314816.html
Shutout
Footballguy
Well, Cecil got one thing right. He "challenged" AJ; and got beat down in multiple ways. AJ was eating him up. At least Cecil didn't use any words to suggest Cortland was successful against AJ. Simple case of waking a sleeping giant and then getting frustrated and acting inappropriately. I was a bit surprised AJ stooped to his level.
jamil
Footballguy
Not surprised one bit. This has been going in for awhile now with that POS Finnegan and has been getting progressively worse each game. In fact, I enjoyed AJ beating him down cause all the texans fans could tell he's been wanting to do that for awhile now. Only thing I hate is that it'll probably cause dre a game.
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
On the first play: (The previous play)
- AJ puts a block on CF
- CF jambs a hand in AJs face
- CF and AJ then start trading stiff arms to the face
- CF's helmet is jarred loose, he then pulls it off and starts walking away
- AJ gives him a nice push for the road
- AJ starts jawing, CF starts jawing back
Then the following play: (The Finnegan gets beat up play)
- CF jambs both hands in AJ's face. Seems to be trying to jar AJ's helmet loose in reciprocation.
- AJ grabs CF's face mask as AJ is backing away, looks to be trying to pull CF to the ground by his face mask and helmet comes off
- CF grabs AJ's helmet and throws a punch, then yanks AJ's helmet off and throws it
- AJ slings CF to the ground and unloads. 1 punch on the way down, 1 in the ear while on his hands and knees, 1 half connecting upper cut on CF's way up.
Obvious CF was the instigator here, but AJ seems to be very intolerant and does loose his cool. Maybe he had had enough? I didn't see any previous exchanges.. Were they at it all game?
Helmet pulls
CF=AJ
Loosing control
AJ>CF
Looking to do damage
AJ>CF
First punch
CF
Past history (not first time offense)
CF
Instigator
CF
Continued aggravation and instigating after the fight
CF
Should be equal punishment in my opinion. CF was certainly the instigator but AJ definitly contributed and displayed less self control. Without AJ retaliation I think CF would have gotten away with his antics yet again.
What should the punishment be? I'm guessing a 1 game suspension each. Goodell has to make a point here, his image of today's NFL doesn't include helmet yanking and helmets off brawling. Not that I mind it, but certainly he's proven to have no taste for it.
- AJ puts a block on CF
- CF jambs a hand in AJs face
- CF and AJ then start trading stiff arms to the face
- CF's helmet is jarred loose, he then pulls it off and starts walking away
- AJ gives him a nice push for the road
- AJ starts jawing, CF starts jawing back
Then the following play: (The Finnegan gets beat up play)
- CF jambs both hands in AJ's face. Seems to be trying to jar AJ's helmet loose in reciprocation.
- AJ grabs CF's face mask as AJ is backing away, looks to be trying to pull CF to the ground by his face mask and helmet comes off
- CF grabs AJ's helmet and throws a punch, then yanks AJ's helmet off and throws it
- AJ slings CF to the ground and unloads. 1 punch on the way down, 1 in the ear while on his hands and knees, 1 half connecting upper cut on CF's way up.
Obvious CF was the instigator here, but AJ seems to be very intolerant and does loose his cool. Maybe he had had enough? I didn't see any previous exchanges.. Were they at it all game?
Helmet pulls
CF=AJ
Loosing control
AJ>CF
Looking to do damage
AJ>CF
First punch
CF
Past history (not first time offense)
CF
Instigator
CF
Continued aggravation and instigating after the fight
CF
Should be equal punishment in my opinion. CF was certainly the instigator but AJ definitly contributed and displayed less self control. Without AJ retaliation I think CF would have gotten away with his antics yet again.
What should the punishment be? I'm guessing a 1 game suspension each. Goodell has to make a point here, his image of today's NFL doesn't include helmet yanking and helmets off brawling. Not that I mind it, but certainly he's proven to have no taste for it.
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redBourne
Footballguy
As neither an AJ owner, fan of Finnegan, fan of Tennesse or fan of the Texans (I am a fan of AJ), my initial reaction was that this altercation was much more than the average nfl push and shove around. We always see a few punches here and there. Most of the time it's at the end of a current play or right after; a few straight jabs to the underside of a face mask but it stays pretty clean.
Case in point, someone posted earlier in this thread a video of, Finnegan, punching Slaton, at the end of a run. It was a weak handed punch and one that I'm sure occurs all over the place. The difference between that video and yesterday's is that it isn't incredibly wide open. AJ and Finn's trading of blows (yes Finnegan threw the first slap, albeit a very weak one) was just the two of them in wide open space all by themselves. Finnegan went down and AJ stood over him throwing punches. Neither of which had a helmet on by this time. It was clear for everyone to see, will get much more headline time, and will incur stiffer fines. The bolded piece above makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE.
Immediate gut reaction is a game for both. I don't see either play getting less or more than the other. If Finnegan gets more, even if he's had prior altercations and warnings, the media and fan base will play it out like AJ is a star and they want him on the field. I don't foresee an appeal.
And truth be told, I didn't realize Philly played Houston until I checked my schedule this morning. Now that I see this, I'm incredibly more biased.
There is a lot of crying and eye roll posts in this thread. Finnegan deserves what he got and most likely will get. AJ deserves what he gets too. You always have the choice, regardless of what happens. I can't say I'm a better man because I likely would have come to blows with Finnegan myself. But it doesn't matter. Fair is in the eye of the man on top.
Case in point, someone posted earlier in this thread a video of, Finnegan, punching Slaton, at the end of a run. It was a weak handed punch and one that I'm sure occurs all over the place. The difference between that video and yesterday's is that it isn't incredibly wide open. AJ and Finn's trading of blows (yes Finnegan threw the first slap, albeit a very weak one) was just the two of them in wide open space all by themselves. Finnegan went down and AJ stood over him throwing punches. Neither of which had a helmet on by this time. It was clear for everyone to see, will get much more headline time, and will incur stiffer fines. The bolded piece above makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE.
Immediate gut reaction is a game for both. I don't see either play getting less or more than the other. If Finnegan gets more, even if he's had prior altercations and warnings, the media and fan base will play it out like AJ is a star and they want him on the field. I don't foresee an appeal.
And truth be told, I didn't realize Philly played Houston until I checked my schedule this morning. Now that I see this, I'm incredibly more biased.
There is a lot of crying and eye roll posts in this thread. Finnegan deserves what he got and most likely will get. AJ deserves what he gets too. You always have the choice, regardless of what happens. I can't say I'm a better man because I likely would have come to blows with Finnegan myself. But it doesn't matter. Fair is in the eye of the man on top.
Treating them equally simply incents scrub players to try to get stars thrown out of the game. Goodell should consider the history of these two players and punish Finnegan more severely. He won't though.
redBourne
Footballguy
I'd love to hear that audio.
