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On Bernie working with Republicans:

Arizona Sen. John McCain—the 2008 Republican presidential nominee—told reporters today that Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, the second place Democratic candidate, has a “record of advocacy for our veterans” while front-runner Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state and senator from New York, does not.

On a conference call with reporters, Mr. McCain—chairman of the Senate Armed Forces Committee—and Florida Congressman Jeff Miller, chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, lambasted Ms. Clinton for her claim last week that the 2014 Department of Veterans Affairs scandal was not “widespread.” The two Republicans recalled numerous cost overruns and countless members of the armed forces who did not receive vital medical care, and the Arizona senator touted his joint bill with Mr. Sanders to increase transparency at the VA and to allow vets to obtain treatment at private facilities.

Asked if he thought Mr. Sanders was a greater advocate for former servicemen and women, Mr. McCain—a Vietnam War veteran and former prisoner of war—said he did not wish to “engage in expressing favoritism.” But he remembered his fraught legislative negotiations with Mr. Sanders, who was then the chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, and praised his socialist colleague’s efforts.

“I will say Bernie Sanders worked very hard when he was chairman of the Veterans Affairs Committee, he, he and I had many disagreements, but we were able to come together, finally, after very spirited discussions—I think my reward will be in heaven, not here on earth for that exercise,” he said. “But the fact is we were able to come together and come and pass legislation that was nearly unanimous in both House and Senate. So he does have a record of advocacy for our veterans.”
 
Robert Reich - former Labor Secretary under Clinton:

Mic: You've studied and worked to address the greatest excesses of capitalism for much of your career. Some argue that we should be laying the groundwork to evolve beyond capitalism, rather than try to rescue it. Why do you think capitalism should be saved?

Robert Reich: I don't think we should get caught up in "isms." The real question is: Can we organize our political economic system so that it benefits the many rather than the few? Between 1945 and 1980, we created the largest middle class the world has ever seen, with more and more opportunities for the poor to ascend into it. But since then, we've moved in the opposite direction.

Every major economy in the world, including Denmark, Norway, Sweden and even China are capitalist. But we are the one major capitalist country whose economic benefits are going almost exclusively to a small group at the top. This isn't sustainable, either economically or politically.

In my book, I also talk about the 1830s, the Progressive Era between 1901 and 1916 and the New Deal in the 1930s. These are all periods in which we had political shifts that were large enough to put capitalism back on track, so that it was working for the majority rather than a tiny minority. That's been the pattern in the United States, and I have every reason to believe we'll do it again.
 
Right now, almost 100,000 individuals have signed up to make a recurring contribution every month to our campaign. I am very proud of that fact.

With an average donation of ~$30, that is nearly $10m a quarter, without having to lift a finger, or jet to 100 fund raisers. Clinton may well have won the invisible primary, but Sanders still has the chance to win the actual primary with this kind of grassroots support.

 
I say it's way too high. The Clintons have never done well in Iowa, neither Bill not Hillary. The Dems in Iowa have never taken to them.

Ironically, given that Hillary is currently behind in New Hampshire, that's the state that's always loved them. Bill was known as The Comeback Kid when he won there in 1992. And Hillary's upset win there in 2008 still mystifies pollsters to this day (because the polling showed her 10 points down only a day before).
No, he didn't win there. Ran second to Paul Tsongas. He labeled himself The Comeback Kid because his campaign was considered over following the Gennifer Flowers revelations and New Hampshire followed the 60 minutes interview with Hillary. His strong showing in NH indicated that the scandal had not irreparably damaged his shot at the nomination.

 
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Michael Collins, deputy director of national affairs for Drug Policy Action, the political arm of Drug Policy Alliance, tells Rolling Stone his organization has been working closely with Sanders' Senate office over the last several months on a bill that would end federal marijuana prohibition, which he expects the senator to introduce as early as this week.
that would provide a pretty big bump, I think. It's good to see Bernie being front and center on this - everyone else will be following his lead.

 
This may finally be the tipping point where my wife decides to vote for Bernie over Hillary. But I'm not sure whether she prioritizes "legal pot" or "first woman President."

 
Just an observation from friends on Facebook that support Bernie. The enthusiasm and momentum seems to have died down quite a bit. Not seeing much posted from people who previously were relentless in their support.

 
Just an observation from friends on Facebook that support Bernie. The enthusiasm and momentum seems to have died down quite a bit. Not seeing much posted from people who previously were relentless in their support.
they realized Communism never worked

 
Just an observation from friends on Facebook that support Bernie. The enthusiasm and momentum seems to have died down quite a bit. Not seeing much posted from people who previously were relentless in their support.
I do think Hillary's well-received performances in the debate and in the Benghazi hearing have slowed or possibly reversed Bernie's upward momentum.

 
Just an observation from friends on Facebook that support Bernie. The enthusiasm and momentum seems to have died down quite a bit. Not seeing much posted from people who previously were relentless in their support.
The debate tickets around here are a hot commodity...a bit of a black market if you will. All trying to get in to see Bernie after his last appearance on campus. Take that FWIW :shrug:

 
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Michael Collins, deputy director of national affairs for Drug Policy Action, the political arm of Drug Policy Alliance, tells Rolling Stone his organization has been working closely with Sanders' Senate office over the last several months on a bill that would end federal marijuana prohibition, which he expects the senator to introduce as early as this week.
that would provide a pretty big bump, I think. It's good to see Bernie being front and center on this - everyone else will be following his lead.
If this happens, I might actually #### myself.

 
Sanders met with Biden today for about an hour at the vice-president's residence.

Wonder what they could have been discussing...(apparently campaign finance reform, education, and the economy)

 
Sanders met with Biden today for about an hour at the vice-president's residence.

Wonder what they could have been discussing...(apparently campaign finance reform, education, and the economy)
Would Biden endorse Bernie and if so do you think it makes any impact?

 
Sanders met with Biden today for about an hour at the vice-president's residence.

Wonder what they could have been discussing...(apparently campaign finance reform, education, and the economy)
Would Biden endorse Bernie and if so do you think it makes any impact?
That seems a bit far fetched. Though interestingly Biden also met with Elizabeth Warren several weeks ago - maybe he is sympathetic to progressive causes.

If he actually did endorse Sanders, it would be a game-changer. Not enough to flip the polls, but certainly enough to close the gap and swing momentum back to Sanders.

It is an odd meeting, only from the standpoint that if he were acting to preserve his or Obama's legacy, then meeting with Clinton would make more sense, as she is the prohibitive favorite for the nomination.

Sanders did indicate he was looking forward to working with Biden and Obama to tackle the major issues facing America today.

 
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.

 
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
You're going to vote for Clinton. Sanders has no/zero chance of winning in this country. When it comes down to it, for you, you either don't vote (which includes some candidate from some party that has 10 supporters), vote for Clinton, a Republican candidate, or don't vote. You're too invested too not vote so you're voting for Clinton, and you're claim to hate her and she'a phony, you'd be right; saying all that, to you, she's still 80% of where you are politically.

 
I believe NC. If he says he won't vote for her he won't vote for her. Guys got integrity.

NC, Hillary didn't call Bernie a sexist. What she's doing is using Bernie's remark to make a larger point about how society believes women shouldn't speak up and how she will be the first woman President. It's a slight distinction but it's there. Still an unfortunate comment on her part.

Hillary is not a good politician IMO (though she is a polished debater). She says and does a lot of stuff I don't like. She also doesn't strike me as the nicest person in the world; I'm not sure I would want to be around her. However, for me none of that matters: I'm voting for her because I'm convinced she will be an extremely good President.

 
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
You're going to vote for Clinton. Sanders has no/zero chance of winning in this country. When it comes down to it, for you, you either don't vote (which includes some candidate from some party that has 10 supporters), vote for Clinton, a Republican candidate, or don't vote. You're too invested too not vote so you're voting for Clinton, and you're claim to hate her and she'a phony, you'd be right; saying all that, to you, she's still 80% of where you are politically.
Ballots have more than one line to vote on. If Hillary is the Democratic nominee I will not vote the top of the ticket. I will vote down ticket.

 
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
You're going to vote for Clinton. Sanders has no/zero chance of winning in this country. When it comes down to it, for you, you either don't vote (which includes some candidate from some party that has 10 supporters), vote for Clinton, a Republican candidate, or don't vote. You're too invested too not vote so you're voting for Clinton, and you're claim to hate her and she'a phony, you'd be right; saying all that, to you, she's still 80% of where you are politically.
:lmao: I'll bet you $500 that he doesn't vote for her.

 
NCCommish said:
cubd8 said:
NCCommish said:
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
You're going to vote for Clinton. Sanders has no/zero chance of winning in this country. When it comes down to it, for you, you either don't vote (which includes some candidate from some party that has 10 supporters), vote for Clinton, a Republican candidate, or don't vote. You're too invested too not vote so you're voting for Clinton, and you're claim to hate her and she'a phony, you'd be right; saying all that, to you, she's still 80% of where you are politically.
Ballots have more than one line to vote on. If Hillary is the Democratic nominee I will not vote the top of the ticket. I will vote down ticket.
If we end up with president Carson it will be your fault.

 
NCCommish said:
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
Honestly, how do people take it? Bernie is a decent man who has refrained from attacking her, this is what he gets, and the absolute bs that comes from her is astounding.

 
timschochet said:
I believe NC. If he says he won't vote for her he won't vote for her. Guys got integrity.

NC, Hillary didn't call Bernie a sexist. What she's doing is using Bernie's remark to make a larger point about how society believes women shouldn't speak up and how she will be the first woman President. It's a slight distinction but it's there. Still an unfortunate comment on her part.

Hillary is not a good politician IMO (though she is a polished debater). She says and does a lot of stuff I don't like. She also doesn't strike me as the nicest person in the world; I'm not sure I would want to be around her. However, for me none of that matters: I'm voting for her because I'm convinced she will be an extremely good President.
No she's not making a "larger" point, she is basically asserting that Sanders is saying she doesn't know her place, which is low. Hillary is manufacturing an attack out of whole cloth for its own sake. That's what she does, she has a history of it. Ask her a question on A and not only does she not answer it she then segues to a false attack on B. It's her MO.

 
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Real Change

Bernie's first TV ad.

I think there is some interesting subtext going on with the female narrator - combatting the female push by Clinton. I think I would have preferred to have Bernie do the voice-over - but I understand the need to introduce the female voice.

 
NCCommish said:
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
Honestly, how do people take it? Bernie is a decent man who has refrained from attacking her, this is what he gets, and the absolute bs that comes from her is astounding.
Bernie may be a nice guy but it was a big mistake to kiss Hillary's feet on national TV.

 
NCCommish said:
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
Honestly, how do people take it? Bernie is a decent man who has refrained from attacking her, this is what he gets, and the absolute bs that comes from her is astounding.
Bernie may be a nice guy but it was a big mistake to kiss Hillary's feet on national TV.
Yep. Should have just kept his mouth shut instead of doing that.

 
NCCommish said:
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
Honestly, how do people take it? Bernie is a decent man who has refrained from attacking her, this is what he gets, and the absolute bs that comes from her is astounding.
Bernie may be a nice guy but it was a big mistake to kiss Hillary's feet on national TV.
Yep. Should have just kept his mouth shut instead of doing that.
It was basically game over for Bernie as soon as that happened.

 
NCCommish said:
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
Honestly, how do people take it? Bernie is a decent man who has refrained from attacking her, this is what he gets, and the absolute bs that comes from her is astounding.
Bernie may be a nice guy but it was a big mistake to kiss Hillary's feet on national TV.
Yep. Should have just kept his mouth shut instead of doing that.
It was basically game over for Bernie as soon as that happened.
It is definitely an uphill battle - but ultimately, I don't think that moment will matter.

Establishment democrats are for Clinton, and against the world. They were unlikely to abandon her absent an actual indictment, and even then, a sizable percentage would still blindly follow her.

Sanders voters are, for the most part, outside the democratic establishment. These are people who see Clinton as more of the same, and that establishment politicians of both persuasions are as corrupt as the day is long. Those supporters have not left Sanders. For Sanders to win, he needs to convert the voters on the edge - lean (D), but are not enthused by it, and Sanders need to mobilize the younger voters he is attracting to his campaign.

The younger voters are not betrothed to Clinton, but they are also not historically reliable in the voting booth.

One of the other real advantages Sanders has over Clinton is the number of donors - not an insignificant advantage. Contributors, I think, are more likely to participate in the election process as they have a vested interest in their candidate. Sanders path to victory really comes down to voter turn-out - high turnout is good for Sanders, and bad for Clinton.

 
timschochet said:
I believe NC. If he says he won't vote for her he won't vote for her. Guys got integrity.

NC, Hillary didn't call Bernie a sexist. What she's doing is using Bernie's remark to make a larger point about how society believes women shouldn't speak up and how she will be the first woman President. It's a slight distinction but it's there. Still an unfortunate comment on her part.

Hillary is not a good politician IMO (though she is a polished debater). She says and does a lot of stuff I don't like. She also doesn't strike me as the nicest person in the world; I'm not sure I would want to be around her. However, for me none of that matters: I'm voting for her because I'm convinced she will be an extremely good President.
It has been obvious for a long time NCC would never vote for Hillary. It is not like these claims that she called Bernie sexist suddenly moved him to the anti-Hillary group:

The more people see the less they like her.
 
I read about his sexist comments today. I couldn't beleive it. I really thought he was a more worldly person than that. I guess politician = politician.

 
Real Change

Bernie's first TV ad.

I think there is some interesting subtext going on with the female narrator - combatting the female push by Clinton. I think I would have preferred to have Bernie do the voice-over - but I understand the need to introduce the female voice.
I like it. I wish they could afford to run the 180 second video.

 
NCCommish said:
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
Honestly, how do people take it? Bernie is a decent man who has refrained from attacking her, this is what he gets, and the absolute bs that comes from her is astounding.
Bernie may be a nice guy but it was a big mistake to kiss Hillary's feet on national TV.
Yep. Should have just kept his mouth shut instead of doing that.
It was basically game over for Bernie as soon as that happened.
I disagree. I think it was Bernie being Bernie. And I think it won him a lot of points with voters. Also I think it may come back to haunt Clinton in the next debate when her ridiculous attack on Bernie comes up as you know it will.

 
The Commish said:
cubd8 said:
NCCommish said:
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
You're going to vote for Clinton. Sanders has no/zero chance of winning in this country. When it comes down to it, for you, you either don't vote (which includes some candidate from some party that has 10 supporters), vote for Clinton, a Republican candidate, or don't vote. You're too invested too not vote so you're voting for Clinton, and you're claim to hate her and she'a phony, you'd be right; saying all that, to you, she's still 80% of where you are politically.
:lmao: I'll bet you $500 that he doesn't vote for her.
If he takes you up on it we'll see if we can prove it.

I will not for any reason vote for Hillary. Not now, not ever.

 
NCCommish said:
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
Honestly, how do people take it? Bernie is a decent man who has refrained from attacking her, this is what he gets, and the absolute bs that comes from her is astounding.
Bernie may be a nice guy but it was a big mistake to kiss Hillary's feet on national TV.
Yep. Should have just kept his mouth shut instead of doing that.
It was basically game over for Bernie as soon as that happened.
I disagree. I think it was Bernie being Bernie. And I think it won him a lot of points with voters. Also I think it may come back to haunt Clinton in the next debate when her ridiculous attack on Bernie comes up as you know it will.
I agree with you as well.

I would also note that I haven't encountered any [progressive Bernie fans that feel that he made a mistake by saying "enough with the emails." The only people that feel that way are some conservatives. They are rooting for Bernie to "get Clinton"; that's really all they care about.

 
NCCommish said:
So Hillary's new thing is to go around and say Bernie is a sexist. He said we can't keep shouting at each other on gun control and achieve anything to her in the debate. This is a line he uses regularly and even essentially said the same thing to O'Malley minutes later. Her new cheap attack is to say he doesn't like it women speak up and he has a problem with strong women. And Tim wonders why I won't vote for her.
Honestly, how do people take it? Bernie is a decent man who has refrained from attacking her, this is what he gets, and the absolute bs that comes from her is astounding.
Bernie may be a nice guy but it was a big mistake to kiss Hillary's feet on national TV.
Yep. Should have just kept his mouth shut instead of doing that.
It was basically game over for Bernie as soon as that happened.
I disagree. I think it was Bernie being Bernie. And I think it won him a lot of points with voters. Also I think it may come back to haunt Clinton in the next debate when her ridiculous attack on Bernie comes up as you know it will.
I agree with you as well.I would also note that I haven't encountered any [progressive Bernie fans that feel that he made a mistake by saying "enough with the emails." The only people that feel that way are some conservatives. They are rooting for Bernie to "get Clinton"; that's really all they care about.
Which isn't going to happen. Even when interviewed about this sexist thing he didn't attack her personally. It's just not what he does.

 
Proninja - I think there are a lot (in number, not percent) of conservatives , republicans, libertarians, insert group of your choice that Bernie resonates with because of his positions. I'm just hopeful his ideas move forward even if he doesn't become the nominee - unfortunately I'm not too optimistic but I think it's because I've become too jaded by our current political system.

 
Proninja - I think there are a lot (in number, not percent) of conservatives , republicans, libertarians, insert group of your choice that Bernie resonates with because of his positions. I'm just hopeful his ideas move forward even if he doesn't become the nominee - unfortunately I'm not too optimistic but I think it's because I've become too jaded by our current political system.
I think if Bernie can get to the general he will have cross over voters. He does in his home state. And the ones interviewed didn't seem like liberal GOPers. They just weren't hard right.

 
Fun with Polls - no not those polls...

SandersForPresident subreddit has a poll going among users that has some interesting numbers.

- ~920 responses

- Users skew very young: 75% <30

- Users skew very male: 82%

So, this is just for entertainment purposes only - but it does provide some insight into a core constituency

Top 5 Issues in the Election:

1. Big money in Politics

2. Income and Wealth inequality

3. Climate Change

4. Healthcare

5. Free public college tuition

83% think Sanders will win in Iowa

97% think Sander will win in New Hampshire

Most likely to win Republican Nomination:

1. Rubio

2. Trump

3. Carson

69% of respondents have donated to Sanders

80% intend to donate again

36% have never voted in a Presidential election

If Hillary Clinton were the Democratic Nominee:

34.4% would vote for Clinton

10.2% depends on the Republican nominee

55%: Not vote, vote 3rd party, unsure

 
Another set of stats to highlight the differences in the demographics of the supporters:

Hillary launched her first Ad "Dorothy" on August 2nd. On YouTube, the video has been viewed 263,000 times, with 663 likes, and 932 dislikes. On facebook the Ad has been viewed 194,000 times, liked 9000 times, and shared 3000 times.

Bernie launched his first Ad "Real Change" yesterday. On YouTube, it has been viewed 265,000 times, 6738 likes, 182 dislikes. On Facebook, 615,000 views, 36,000 likes, and 25,000 shares.

 
Since I have been an elected official, I have used my influence to stand with those who have no power, and to take on virtually every element of our current ruling class – from Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies to Big Energy, to the Koch Brothers to the Military Industrial Complex. That’s what I do.

-Bernie Sanders
:thumbup:

 
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Not a Bernie post really. But is about something Bernie talks about often, voter turnout. Just voted in my local elections. Hope all my Charlotte homies did as well. At my polling place I was the 70th person to vote today. That is an abysmal showing. We are letting less and less people make our decisions on what kind of country we want. It's sad and it's why we find ourselves with an unresponsive government. They were saying they don't think they'll get 100 voters here today. That sucks. Get out and vote people.

 
Not a Bernie post really. But is about something Bernie talks about often, voter turnout. Just voted in my local elections. Hope all my Charlotte homies did as well. At my polling place I was the 70th person to vote today. That is an abysmal showing. We are letting less and less people make our decisions on what kind of country we want. It's sad and it's why we find ourselves with an unresponsive government. They were saying they don't think they'll get 100 voters here today. That sucks. Get out and vote people.
Yeah, I was #68 at my place here in Rock Hill. The sad part is, local voting is far more important to us in our day to day lives than national voting. I don't know why people don't get that.

 

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