Rayderr
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How exactly would that work if you're deaf tho? Has SD upgraded their 911 system to handle texts?
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Car Plows Through Crowd Engaged in Zombie Walk--Who's Wrong? (1 Viewer)
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butcher boy
Footballguy
wouldn't have happened if we armed zombies and the deaf.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Blasting your horn and inching your vehicle up close to a crowd of pedestratians isn't threatening?
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Both sides are at fault. If I'm in a crowd and some a$$ is laying on his horn and acting agressive in a car Id try to get people to let him trough or signal him to turn around instead of instigating or ignoring. If I'm the guy in the car I probably never get that close to a huge crowd blocking a main street as Id want space for the option of turning around if the wait took longer than I wanted.
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Rayderr
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Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and run off into the hills, or wherever..
G
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Zombies don't obey traffic instructions, guy.
I put it on the event organizers to have someone directing traffic. Doesn't sound like there was much "organization" at all.
bigbottom
Footballguy
On the slow-mo video, the guy starts driving through the crowd at the 1:17 mark. The dude opens the passenger door at the 1:25 mark.
Mile High
Footballguy
So he had to wait a few minutes. Looked like there were other cars stopped and waiting don't see them pushing their way through a crowd with their cars. Sometimes things happen that make you have to wait awhile when you drive. You just don't run over people because you're in a hurry.
Rayderr
Footballguy
One could also say that you don't hold up traffic just because you want to play dress-up.
Ned
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Mile High
Footballguy
Or maybe when you see the way is blocked you turn around. Not drive right up to what's blocking the way and then run people over.
Jaysus
Good times!
spOOfy
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I wonder how the people not standing in the middle of an intersection managed to not get hit by a car?
Fennis
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Actually, no, I don't think it is. I've both walked and driven through the French Quarter many times where cars are trying to get through an area with lots of pedestrians. Surprisingly, inching forward and sometimes honking happens, it's not considered threatening at all, and pedestrians move out of the way and the car moves through. When that happens, you will sometimes hear words exchanged or unkind hand gestures, but that's how "civilized" people handle that kind of relatively common situation.
What you don't see are people reacting to horn honking and inching forward by sitting on the hoods of cars or trying to open car doors.
IMO, lots of blame to go around here:
1) Driver before people sat on his car/knocked on windows/tried to open door -- Could have been more patient or tried to go another route. Could be considered very rude by honking and pulling foward. Not illegal
2) Zombies standing in the road not moving -- Should have been aware that they are holding up traffic and moved. Probably illegal, but not ultimately responsible.
3) 2 idiots that sat on the hood of the car and whoever else started hitting the window -- 100% responsible for the woman's injuries. No matter how much honking the guy is doing, you simply cannot damage or threaten a person in a vehicle in such a manner.
4) Driver after people sat on his car/knocked on windows/tried to open door -- No fault at this point considering the actions of the people listed in #3. In fact, he went straight to a police officer after this happened and he hasn't been arrested. Would seem to me they agree as well.
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gianmarco
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Along the same lines, nothing would have happened if those pedestrians weren't illegally blocking an intersection by just standing there. Walk through it or stand somewhere else. What made them so special?
Of course, the zombies blocking the road happened first, mind you.
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Rove!
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or if those people had quietly stepped aside to allow traffic through...they couldn't wait two minutes?
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Serious question: If drivers are ticketed for wearing headphones and listening to music, why are deaf people allowed to get drivers licenses?
Rayderr
Footballguy
I agree with this. I would also throw the event organizers in there for not going through the trouble getting permits and police escort, or at the very least have their own people escorting the walk and making sure they don't block traffic and the like.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Clearly the only option was to plow people over. I think he should get a gift certificate for waiting as long as he did.
Black Box
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There were probably zombies back the other way too. They tend to swarm in situations such as this.
Cjw_55106
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I’m a bit confused as to why there wasn’t a police presence already. It was clearly a busy intersection. The kids were scared? Scared of what exactly? No one around the car appeared to be dressed like zombies. If they were, it certainly wasn’t a majority. Yes, the crowd was acting like jackasses just standing in the street for no apparent reason. If we all ran over others for acting like asses, body shop workers would be paid like CEOs.
Rove!
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Lots of different things could have happened and lots of things could have/should have been done different. But it doesn't excuse the ultimate actions of people sitting on his car, banging on his window, and opening his door. That's the illegal and critical point of this situation. Everything prior is just bad behavior and lack of courtesy by many different people. Everything afterward is a direct result of those few individuals who felt empowered by being in a mob.
A driver cuts me off.
I yell at the driver.
The driver gets out of his car, pulls a gun, and shoots me.
Nothing would have happened at all if I didn't yell at the driver. But does that mean it's ok for him to shoot me? He shouldn't have cut me off. I shouldn't have yelled at him. But up until that point, that's all it is.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Let's change the scenario just a bit.
Zombies are blocking the intersection just like the story. Guy, who some might call impatient, starts to inch forward and honk his horn just like the story. Now, who's ok with what happens next:
1) Someone sits on his car hood and starts banging on his windows (just like the story)
2) Someone opens his car door and punches him in the face.
3) Someone in the crowd pulls out a gun and waves it at him
4) Someone in the crowd pulls out a gun and shoots at him.
Is anyone ok with any of the above? Do the driver's actions up until that point justify any of the 4 options above? If someone had punched him or brandished a weapon or actually shot at him, would anyone be blaming the driver for inching up and honking as being a legitimate reason for someone to threaten or cause him harm?
If not, then maybe you don't think that sitting on a car or opening a door is along the same lines as options 2-4. And that's where I'd disagree because those actions are just as threatening and what easily justifies the guy hitting the gas and getting out of there.
Zombies are blocking the intersection just like the story. Guy, who some might call impatient, starts to inch forward and honk his horn just like the story. Now, who's ok with what happens next:
1) Someone sits on his car hood and starts banging on his windows (just like the story)
2) Someone opens his car door and punches him in the face.
3) Someone in the crowd pulls out a gun and waves it at him
4) Someone in the crowd pulls out a gun and shoots at him.
Is anyone ok with any of the above? Do the driver's actions up until that point justify any of the 4 options above? If someone had punched him or brandished a weapon or actually shot at him, would anyone be blaming the driver for inching up and honking as being a legitimate reason for someone to threaten or cause him harm?
If not, then maybe you don't think that sitting on a car or opening a door is along the same lines as options 2-4. And that's where I'd disagree because those actions are just as threatening and what easily justifies the guy hitting the gas and getting out of there.
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Notorious T.R.E.
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Notorious T.R.E.
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Why didn't the zombies attack bicycle guy? He was asking for it too imo.
encaitar
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The driver was an #######, but he was legally allowed to be in that intersection. The pedestrians weren't. Does that give him license to run them over? No, but it does give him license to inch forward and honk his horn to signal to them that they are blocking his path and should let him through. Once they start acting like a mob and banging on his windows and try to open his door I have no problem with him getting out of the situation quickly. At that point it's F those people I gotta protect my family.
It's too bad a lady got hurt, but let's be honest... If she were standing somewhere other than the middle of an intersection she would be fine right now.
It's too bad a lady got hurt, but let's be honest... If she were standing somewhere other than the middle of an intersection she would be fine right now.
Joe T
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It was a one way street. But turning around and breaking for the law for the sake of the Zombies loitering in an intersection is for some people preferable to honking and inching through the crowd.
jomar
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Seems like a stupid chance to take that a driver knows you're just messing around. Impede a car and start banging on it when the driver gets nervous and you get what you get.
Add kids to the mix and the odds you're going to be run down go way up.
Add kids to the mix and the odds you're going to be run down go way up.
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Notorious T.R.E.
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Rayderr
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Line markings indicate otherwise. But with a few bike taxis in the opposite lane already, not to mention the horde in front of him, no room to turn around.It was a one way street. But turning around and breaking for the law for the sake of the Zombies loitering in an intersection is for some people preferable to honking and inching through the crowd.
Joe T
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bigbottom
Footballguy
Personally, I think both sides are in the wrong. But if you're a pedestrian and a car is just a few feet away, blasting its horn, and inching forward, I think that would be intimidating in that it is an implied threat that you're going to be run over. Which, of course, is precisely what happened.
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Rayderr
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I've been honked at as a pedestrian several times though out my life. Never once have I thought it's because the driver is threatening to run me over.
Why is it an implied threat? Honking the horn is just a warning that you intend to keep moving forward. If you are unable to get out of the way of a vehicle going 1 mph, perhaps you should not be out in public.
What are you, some kind of anti-Zombie bigot??? Get out of the 1900's, it is 2014 already.
Joe T
Footballguy
Good point.
Also relevant is whether Zombies can hear car horns? In this video, the evidence would suggest they can't.
Given bigbottom's careful analysis, when PEOPLE hear car horns and feel intimidated, they move out of the way.
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