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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
AJ isn't a franchise QB, he's not a starting QB, he's a backup and only worth a late pick if someone is in the market. Hue knows him better than anyone but if a delusional Bengal fan thinks the Browns would fork over a 3rd or 4th round pick then its a laughable take.
Kap was mentioned by more than one person who is familiar with Hue's interest when he came out and where he made glowing comments about Kap but that was from a few years ago. Those comments were brought up and Hue did indeed like Kap a lot but things have changed. Also the Niners have stated they want to keep him but it sounds like they are trolling up interest for a passible trade because reports have come out about how coaches would just walk away from Kap if he approached them on the sidelines. His time in San Fran is over, they don't want him.
Per Hue's interest now. I doubt it because his system requires a pocket passer according to reports and Kap will never be a pocket passer. If Kap was a rookie coming into the league where an OC was projecting him to learn to be a pocket passer then that is one thing but Kap has shown he isn't that sort of quarterback. Oh and Kap is scheduled to make $14 million if he's still on the roster before the draft so that isn't going to happen. If Hue really wants him then he will probably be able to get him but I doubt it.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
mr fancypants
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Hue is a good coach.
Hue is lacking as a head coach.
Hue has his own very rough style. Either it resonates with a a player or alienates them.
My opinion (and its nothing more then that) is that this isn't going to work.
*I dont wish anything negative to you or your team outside of us being division revivals.
Hue is lacking as a head coach.
Hue has his own very rough style. Either it resonates with a a player or alienates them.
My opinion (and its nothing more then that) is that this isn't going to work.
*I dont wish anything negative to you or your team outside of us being division revivals.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Having said that... is GOFF a natural born take-charge leader type of QB?
If so, that actually goes a long way in this entire Hue/Browns success scenario.
Peak
Footballguy
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Because he is more a friend with a strong attitude then a natural born leader.
As I said... he will be hit and miss on who he reaches. With where the Browns are right now, too many will be alienated by his style.
And the Browns need someone fully in-charge that the team can follow with no doubts.
That's not Hue. Unless, as I stated, he had a QB or someone else who can be the actual point man.
imo
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
So he did not, in fact, take the Browns job over the Giants. One in the hand, two in the bush IMO.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Lots and lots of people from all walks of the NFL spectrum think this was a great hire. Former players have staunchly come out of the woodwork to praise the hire.
In Oakland the situation was chaotic with the passing of Al Davis. A power vacuum formed and Hue tried to fill it and was behind the trade of Carson Palmer. At the time it didn't work out so ownership passed the GM baton to someone who wanted his guy as the head coach. It created an untenable atmosphere however Carson has played great in Arizona so Hue has been proven correct on the biggest personnel move he made.
One of the reasons why he chose the Browns is because they offered significant say in personnel matters.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/report-eagles-made-late-call-hue-jackson
I don't know where you got the information about him not being a leader. Never heard anything along those lines but many have said just the opposite that he is a strong leader.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
ftr Bracie, on occasion I get really good intel from the Raiders offices. I know some peeps. 
But yeah I also think Hue would have been a great hire... but for certain teams (giants for one). I don't like this fit.
But I will say this "CURRENTLY I AM WRONG". Hue as of this moment is Aces.
Better?
But yeah I also think Hue would have been a great hire... but for certain teams (giants for one). I don't like this fit.
But I will say this "CURRENTLY I AM WRONG". Hue as of this moment is Aces.
Better?
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MAC_32
Footballguy
If you don't think Hue is a good hire then who would have been?ftr Bracie, on occasion I get really good intel from the Raiders offices. I know some peeps.
But yeah I also think Hue would have been a great hire... but for certain teams (giants for one). I don't like this fit.
But I will say this "CURRENTLY I AM WRONG". Hue as of this moment is Aces.
Better?
I pegged it as a pipe dream a week ago, but there were really only three hires that would give this fanbase any sense of optimism - Hue, Gase, and Chip. In that order. Anyone else and we'd just be waiting two more years to flush them away and start over again for the 9th time.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
My ego isn't at stake on what you said. If you think he's not a leader and is more of a friend that alienates some players then it doesn't mean he will fail because I bet all NFL head coaches have lots of players who feel alienated where some love their HC. Basically its context of what you said.ftr Bracie, on occasion I get really good intel from the Raiders offices. I know some peeps.
But yeah I also think Hue would have been a great hire... but for certain teams (giants for one). I don't like this fit.
But I will say this "CURRENTLY I AM WRONG". Hue as of this moment is Aces.
Better?
Now if you have a lie to the Oakland front office is what I said about the power vacuum wrong where Hue made the push for Carson Palmer and then when the new GM was hired he wanted his own guy?
At the time Hue made the move for Palmer it didn't work and I think that is the main reason why it didn't work in Oakland. Also Hue did 'act out' a bit at that time when things were unravelling and that is my main concern with the hire but not that his style might favor some and alienate other players. I imagine that is far more common all over the league so I don't think its an issue with Hue that we have to be concerned over. My main concern is he threw his entire team under the bus late in the year when they were out of it.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I think Coughlin with him hand selecting his replacement (transfer in 3 to 5 years) would have been perfect. As a Steeler fan, I would not have been happy.If you don't think Hue is a good hire then who would have been?ftr Bracie, on occasion I get really good intel from the Raiders offices. I know some peeps.
But yeah I also think Hue would have been a great hire... but for certain teams (giants for one). I don't like this fit.
But I will say this "CURRENTLY I AM WRONG". Hue as of this moment is Aces.
Better?
I pegged it as a pipe dream a week ago, but there were really only three hires that would give this fanbase any sense of optimism - Hue, Gase, and Chip. In that order. Anyone else and we'd just be waiting two more years to flush them away and start over again for the 9th time.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Correct. It absolutely doesn't. And he will certainly eat, drink, breathe football and the Browns. He is an all-consuming type.My ego isn't at stake on what you said. If you think he's not a leader and is more of a friend that alienates some players then it doesn't mean he will fail because I bet all NFL head coaches have lots of players who feel alienated where some love their HC. Basically its context of what you said.ftr Bracie, on occasion I get really good intel from the Raiders offices. I know some peeps.
But yeah I also think Hue would have been a great hire... but for certain teams (giants for one). I don't like this fit.
But I will say this "CURRENTLY I AM WRONG". Hue as of this moment is Aces.
Better?
Now if you have a lie to the Oakland front office is what I said about the power vacuum wrong where Hue made the push for Carson Palmer and then when the new GM was hired he wanted his own guy?
At the time Hue made the move for Palmer it didn't work and I think that is the main reason why it didn't work in Oakland. Also Hue did 'act out' a bit at that time when things were unravelling and that is my main concern with the hire but not that his style might favor some and alienate other players. I imagine that is far more common all over the league so I don't think its an issue with Hue that we have to be concerned over. My main concern is he threw his entire team under the bus late in the year when they were out of it.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I EDIT: Oops. I agree that isn't a big concern but what do you know about how he acted when things got tough at the end where it seemed he threw his team under the bus?Correct. It absolutely doesn't. And he will certainly eat, drink, breathe football and the Browns. He is an all-consuming type.My ego isn't at stake on what you said. If you think he's not a leader and is more of a friend that alienates some players then it doesn't mean he will fail because I bet all NFL head coaches have lots of players who feel alienated where some love their HC. Basically its context of what you said.ftr Bracie, on occasion I get really good intel from the Raiders offices. I know some peeps.
But yeah I also think Hue would have been a great hire... but for certain teams (giants for one). I don't like this fit.
But I will say this "CURRENTLY I AM WRONG". Hue as of this moment is Aces.
Better?
Now if you have a lie to the Oakland front office is what I said about the power vacuum wrong where Hue made the push for Carson Palmer and then when the new GM was hired he wanted his own guy?
At the time Hue made the move for Palmer it didn't work and I think that is the main reason why it didn't work in Oakland. Also Hue did 'act out' a bit at that time when things were unravelling and that is my main concern with the hire but not that his style might favor some and alienate other players. I imagine that is far more common all over the league so I don't think its an issue with Hue that we have to be concerned over. My main concern is he threw his entire team under the bus late in the year when they were out of it.
If I'm not mistaken he is the one who said "We're the dumbest team in the NFL" or words to that effect.
Could have been a momentary glitch, kiinda like a coach stepping out on the field to try an trip a kick returner in a nationally televised game or allowing you assistants to go out on the field in a playoff game to bait PacMan, cough cough. But what is your take on how Hue acted at the end when things got tough because he is sure to face tough times in Cleveland over the next three years.
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franchise punter
Footballguy
That was Bill CallahanI EDIT: Oops. I agree that isn't a big concern but what do you know about how he acted when things got tough at the end where it seemed he threw his team under the bus?Correct. It absolutely doesn't. And he will certainly eat, drink, breathe football and the Browns. He is an all-consuming type.My ego isn't at stake on what you said. If you think he's not a leader and is more of a friend that alienates some players then it doesn't mean he will fail because I bet all NFL head coaches have lots of players who feel alienated where some love their HC. Basically its context of what you said.ftr Bracie, on occasion I get really good intel from the Raiders offices. I know some peeps.
But yeah I also think Hue would have been a great hire... but for certain teams (giants for one). I don't like this fit.
But I will say this "CURRENTLY I AM WRONG". Hue as of this moment is Aces.
Better?
Now if you have a lie to the Oakland front office is what I said about the power vacuum wrong where Hue made the push for Carson Palmer and then when the new GM was hired he wanted his own guy?
At the time Hue made the move for Palmer it didn't work and I think that is the main reason why it didn't work in Oakland. Also Hue did 'act out' a bit at that time when things were unravelling and that is my main concern with the hire but not that his style might favor some and alienate other players. I imagine that is far more common all over the league so I don't think its an issue with Hue that we have to be concerned over. My main concern is he threw his entire team under the bus late in the year when they were out of it.
If I'm not mistaken he is the one who said "We're the dumbest team in the NFL" or words to that effect.
Could have been a momentary glitch, kiinda like a coach stepping out on the field to try an trip a kick returner in a nationally televised game or allowing you assistants to go out on the field in a playoff game to bait PacMan, cough cough. But what is your take on how Hue acted at the end when things got tough because he is sure to face tough times in Cleveland over the next three years.
metoo
Footballguy
I like him but Cleveland would have to overpay. All teams need a quality backup and McCarron is cheap. Cleveland would have to pay more than you would think to get him.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Ahh. Well Hue reportedly did toss his team under the bus but I think it was more frustration at and in a power struggle with Reggie McKenzie when he said the following:That was Bill CallahanI EDIT: Oops. I agree that isn't a big concern but what do you know about how he acted when things got tough at the end where it seemed he threw his team under the bus?Correct. It absolutely doesn't. And he will certainly eat, drink, breathe football and the Browns. He is an all-consuming type.My ego isn't at stake on what you said. If you think he's not a leader and is more of a friend that alienates some players then it doesn't mean he will fail because I bet all NFL head coaches have lots of players who feel alienated where some love their HC. Basically its context of what you said.ftr Bracie, on occasion I get really good intel from the Raiders offices. I know some peeps.
But yeah I also think Hue would have been a great hire... but for certain teams (giants for one). I don't like this fit.
But I will say this "CURRENTLY I AM WRONG". Hue as of this moment is Aces.
Better?
Now if you have a lie to the Oakland front office is what I said about the power vacuum wrong where Hue made the push for Carson Palmer and then when the new GM was hired he wanted his own guy?
At the time Hue made the move for Palmer it didn't work and I think that is the main reason why it didn't work in Oakland. Also Hue did 'act out' a bit at that time when things were unravelling and that is my main concern with the hire but not that his style might favor some and alienate other players. I imagine that is far more common all over the league so I don't think its an issue with Hue that we have to be concerned over. My main concern is he threw his entire team under the bus late in the year when they were out of it.
If I'm not mistaken he is the one who said "We're the dumbest team in the NFL" or words to that effect.
Could have been a momentary glitch, kiinda like a coach stepping out on the field to try an trip a kick returner in a nationally televised game or allowing you assistants to go out on the field in a playoff game to bait PacMan, cough cough. But what is your take on how Hue acted at the end when things got tough because he is sure to face tough times in Cleveland over the next three years.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/01/01/jacksons-anger-on-full-display-after-raiders-loss/
The Raiders finished 8-8 with him and then went 8-26 after he left. Guys loved playing for him. He appeared right with the Carson Palmer trade where Palmer threw for over 4,000 yards and 22 TDs before McKenzie traded him away for nothing.
amnesiac
beer is good
"Kap?? He doesn't even play shortstop!"
massraider
Footballguy
Hue made a power grab in Oakland, and lost. Mark Davis went with Reggie McKenzie.
That doesn't reflect badly on him as a coach. Most everyone took his side after he left, and it was seen as another mistake by the Raiders.
So far, it seems like McKenzie has been a good choice, but that doesn't mean that letting Hue go was a 'great' move. Players liked him, a lot.
That doesn't reflect badly on him as a coach. Most everyone took his side after he left, and it was seen as another mistake by the Raiders.
So far, it seems like McKenzie has been a good choice, but that doesn't mean that letting Hue go was a 'great' move. Players liked him, a lot.
Peak
Footballguy
Rumors flying about Horton returning as DC. I thought he did a good job, just couldn't get off the field on 3rd down. Not to mention the offense was pretty bad and couldn't stay on the field very long. I liked the attacking style, and we still have some players that did well and were part of his scheme.
With that said, I think I would rather see Schwartz on the sideline instead. I always liked his Tenn defense back in the day.
With that said, I think I would rather see Schwartz on the sideline instead. I always liked his Tenn defense back in the day.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Hey Mass Raider,
Weren't the Raiders in salary cap hell and wasn't Reggie trying to dump contracts when he became the GM?
Per Cleveland. Jimmy Haslam has said it is going to be a rebuild that will take three years so Hue isn't under pressure to win now. He will probably have the luxury of drafting a rookie QB and have two years to develop him. The Browns are in excellent cap shape. The structure is firmly in place so there isn't a power vacuum.
Basically, Hue finds himself is a totally different situation with the Browns but wasn't the bottom line with Reggie that he was trying to get the Raiders salary cap back under control where Hue was trying to win and didn't want to get rid of his high priced guys?
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Per Ray Horton coming back as DC. The defense is a mess. No one could do a worse job than JIM O'Niel IMHO. He was the worst DC I had ever seen. Ray Horton spewed too many stats to try and make his defense appear better than what it was but he is a vast improvement over Jim O'Niel but then again that isn't saying much.
beer 30
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Schwartz would mean going back to 4-3 though.Peak said:
massraider
Footballguy
Yes, I don't think any problems he had in Oakland have any relevance in CLE, just repeating the narrative.Bracie Smathers said:
What Reggie did in Oakland was unprecedented, and cannot blame any coach for not wanting to be around for it. Hue made a play for control, and to maybe spread the cap damage down the road a bit, and Reggie wanted to go scorched earth. Credit Mark Davis for willing to suffer a lot of short term pain, and look long term.
Cleveland is not even close to as bad a shape as Oakland was back then, from a personnel and cap standpoint.
Peak
Footballguy
I don't think it would matter too much. It's not like we had a killer D running the 3-4.
If I remember correctly, Horton ran a hybrid 3-4 that showed a lot of 4-3 looks. I don't mind a 4-3, as long as you have the edge pass rushers. Maybe they would pick Bosa with their first pick and a Wentz/Cook with their 2nd?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I have read a few people talk about switching form a 3-4 to a 4-3.
Guys, it is NOT a problem. Our defense was total crap, and 35 new players will be here next year anyway.
Besides, the defense sucked anyway, so it truly does not matter if we switch even if we kept all the same players.
Guys, it is NOT a problem. Our defense was total crap, and 35 new players will be here next year anyway.
Besides, the defense sucked anyway, so it truly does not matter if we switch even if we kept all the same players.
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
A little non-qb talk from Hue from his Fan interview:
Asked for the three positions on offense other than quarterback where you need great players, Jackson said tackles -- specifically on the left side -- wide receiver and running back. He elaborated on wide receivers. "I think the big guy is huge in this league," he said. "You've got to have a dominant vertical threat in the National Football League to have a good offensive team." On running backs, Jackson said he loves to have a "bellcow" that can do a little bit of everything. "We've got a couple guys I think have got a chance," Jackson said. "We just got to create the right environment for them."
Asked for the three positions on offense other than quarterback where you need great players, Jackson said tackles -- specifically on the left side -- wide receiver and running back. He elaborated on wide receivers. "I think the big guy is huge in this league," he said. "You've got to have a dominant vertical threat in the National Football League to have a good offensive team." On running backs, Jackson said he loves to have a "bellcow" that can do a little bit of everything. "We've got a couple guys I think have got a chance," Jackson said. "We just got to create the right environment for them."
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So what do the analytics say about whether or not the Browns should keep Gordon 
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
First hire 'pending approval by the Vikings' to new HC Hue Jackson's coaching staff is Kirby Wilson who will 'tentatively' be in charge of the running attack.
Don't know anything about him but he coached in the AFCN with Pittsburgh and he was up for the Jaguars OC position last year so he has familiarity with the division and he must have impressed to be considered OC material so it sounds like he will be a good hire if Minnesota allows him to leave.
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http://blogs.twincities.com/vikings/2016/01/15/vikings-running-back-coach-kirby-wilson-will-become-browns-running-game-coordinator-move-approved/
Don't know anything about him but he coached in the AFCN with Pittsburgh and he was up for the Jaguars OC position last year so he has familiarity with the division and he must have impressed to be considered OC material so it sounds like he will be a good hire if Minnesota allows him to leave.
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http://blogs.twincities.com/vikings/2016/01/15/vikings-running-back-coach-kirby-wilson-will-become-browns-running-game-coordinator-move-approved/
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Saw this article about what changes to expect with Hue Jackson on offense and the rushing attack is something Hue gives a big priority.
His first hire wasn't an offensive or defensive coordinator, it was was 'running game coordinator' so take note for future reference.
Note that Hue Jackson's entire offense is built off of the run game.
Go to the link for the full read>>>
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His first hire wasn't an offensive or defensive coordinator, it was was 'running game coordinator' so take note for future reference.
Note that Hue Jackson's entire offense is built off of the run game.
Go to the link for the full read>>>
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Horton is a good coach. Danny Shelton was drafted last year to anchor a 3-4 defense. Not that he wouldn't be good in a 4-3 too but switching up the defense makes that pick a bit less valuable.Peak said:
Schwartz coached players commit a lot of penalties.
@ Bracie - Kirby Wilson did a good job coaching up McKinnon and Asiata. At the same time I think he had a hands off approach with Peterson who could have used more coaching on protecting the ball and pass protection.
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Tabor retained, so that's good. He will be working under his 4th HC in 6 years in Cle I believe. Wow.
Not sure if this was posted, but here is a good read on DePo.
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/paul-depodesta-explains-his-path-to-the-cleveland-browns
Not sure if this was posted, but here is a good read on DePo.
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/paul-depodesta-explains-his-path-to-the-cleveland-browns
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I'm of the opinion that the talent on defense is better than the team stats showed the last two years under O'Neill
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I am of the opinion that we don't have the right talent for a 3-4 or a 4-3, so just find a good D coordinator and roll with him, whatever he chooses.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
O'Neil was the worst coordinator I've ever seen. He was the worst coach I've ever seen.
Listen to our new head coach.
Mic'd up video that should start with Hue. If it doesn't then fast forward to 4:45 to hear Jackson in action.
This is a coach. >>>>
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b72BXfMPzHs&feature=youtu.be&t=285
Raiders Mic'd Tom Cable, Hue Jackson, Richard Seymour, Dennis Allen, Woodson, Khalil Mack
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MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't think you're incorrect, but Whitner and Dansby have become liabilities. Kruger was misused, but even if he rushed the passer more is having him as your best one really a good thing? A good coaching staff could get more use out of Mingo, but how much more? I dont think the issues at corner were scheme based. It was just poor play. Gipson is the only other one I can point at and say, yeah, his dip in play was due to O'Neil. Remember that time we had TJ Ward, Jabaal Sheard, and Buster Skrine here? No stars, but if those pieces were still here then I think whatever route the new staff goes could have something useful to work from. Uphill battle for the new guys due to the personnel gaffes though. The current depth chart is mediocre at best in spots and just terrible in others.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Whitner never was a good cover safety. He is an enforcer for plays in front of him over the middle and solid in run support.
Dansby is a great locker room guy but he wears down over the course of the season. He comes in prepared but is a bit light at the start of the year and then he loses weight every week so by the end of the year he is terrible against the run. Look at him late in the year and you can see that heis skinny. He reportedly was down to 223 lbs by the final game. Waaaaaaaaaay too light for a middle linebacker in a hybrid 3-4.
Just look at the Pittsburgh/Cincinnati game to see the value of having a forceful leader at middle linebacker with Shazier and Burfict or look to Carolina with Kuekly or Seattle with Bobby Wagner. Teams who made the post-season with strong presences at middle linebacker. I don't think its a coincidence.
Per Krueger/Mingo. Obviously, O'Neil had no clue how to utilize the talent he had and was lining guys up incorrectly and using too many packages. He really, truly, sucked. Way too many guys running on and off the field. Guys didn't know which defense they were in. Lots of confusion. No way for anyone to get into a game flow. O'Neil really sucked and I'm still pissed that Pettine wasn't forced to get rid of him.
I wondered why we replaced TJ with an older and more expensive SS who couldn't cover as well but then I heard that TJ Ward laughed in the face of Chud and reportedly said that, 'He would be fired so he didn't have to listen to him'. You can't have insubordination like that in the locker room.
Loved Sheard but Pettine/O'Neil used him wrong. Same with Ahytaba Rubin who Seattle is using in the proper way and he has been great for them. Skrine was another misused player. They had no choice and had him as the #2 CB and many times he lined up as the #1 CB and he is terrible in that role. He had 18 pass interference penalties his last year with the Browns. He can't cover a #1 WR all game. He is a slot CB.
Mingo. Ugh. He is too skinny to set the edge. He gets blown up and you can't have that sort of liability causing breakdowns in the run game. He can't flip his hips and cover the slot WR but is effective in certain situations like goal line defense where he doesn't have to turn his back and can come forward and use his, length, speed, athleticism, in coverage. He can get 'some' heat as a pass rusher but he always seems a step away and he doesn't have a bull rush so his counter moves are limited.
A hell of a lot of the problems last year on defense were due to poor coaching. We lost guys who could play because those idiots didn't scheme them correctly. Its a rebuild on defense and it will take time.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Request denied.
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Josina Anderson @JosinaAnderson 2h2 hours ago
CLE sought MIN RB coach Kirby Wilson to be the #Browns running game coord, but I’m told Wilson was informed request was denied at this time
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Josina Anderson @JosinaAnderson 2h2 hours ago
CLE sought MIN RB coach Kirby Wilson to be the #Browns running game coord, but I’m told Wilson was informed request was denied at this time
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
He's back.
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Ryan Burns @FtblSickness 2m2 minutes ago
Alrighty then. Off we go. RT @H_Grove: The Browns have hired DC Ray Horton, according to the Tennessean. http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2016/01/17/ray-horton-insulted-titans-join-browns/78937956/?hootPostID=1d2219fed19c49da60debd8585dc25d4 … #Browns
EDIT: More to the story:
First, it looks like one of our valuable free agents might stick around. He obviously likes the hire of Ray Horton and if he planned on leaving I doubt he would be this enthusiastic.
Tashaun J. Gipson SR @Gipson_duos24 4m4 minutes ago
RAYYYYY Horton!!!
Second, Horton got bypassed once again for a HC position and it didn't sit well with him.
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2016/01/17/ray-horton-insulted-titans-join-browns/78937956/
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Ryan Burns @FtblSickness 2m2 minutes ago
Alrighty then. Off we go. RT @H_Grove: The Browns have hired DC Ray Horton, according to the Tennessean. http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2016/01/17/ray-horton-insulted-titans-join-browns/78937956/?hootPostID=1d2219fed19c49da60debd8585dc25d4 … #Browns
EDIT: More to the story:
First, it looks like one of our valuable free agents might stick around. He obviously likes the hire of Ray Horton and if he planned on leaving I doubt he would be this enthusiastic.
Tashaun J. Gipson SR @Gipson_duos24 4m4 minutes ago
RAYYYYY Horton!!!
Second, Horton got bypassed once again for a HC position and it didn't sit well with him.
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2016/01/17/ray-horton-insulted-titans-join-browns/78937956/
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Peak
Footballguy
And the quick about face a few hours later from Horton. So which is it? Is he going or staying? Or is this some leverage to get more $$ from Haslam?
MKC Reporting that Def Coordinator Target Horton talking extension with Titans
MKC Reporting that Def Coordinator Target Horton talking extension with Titans
SWC
Bromigo
is there any chance you guys would consider editing some of the posts on this page a few of them do not have random bold or big letter words and are actually readable so if you could go back and destroy those few posts it would be great thanks in advance and take that to the bank brohans
