We already know Thornton can't get it done......Reed will run with it once he gets the chance.what are the chances this Addison Reed guy gets the job in Chicago?
marshall is the better pitcher. not sure how he will do in the closer's roll though. The Reds will win a lot of games in the NL central so i think its a good gamble on your part.I think Tampa can win a lot of games. What can we expect for Farns?I had a choice of him, Marshall and Francisco as waiver wire closers and I took Marshall, but I'm on the fence about it
id bet on Mo as always.Motte will finish as #1 closer. That is a weak division and now that the manager is gone he will nail down the job.
broxtonaddison reedi hvae no ideaWho would you rather have from these closers, or closers in waiting?Broxton, Crow, or Holland?Thortnton, Addison, or Crain?Johnson, Gregg, or Lindstrom?Guerra or Jansen?
HollandReedLindstromJansenWho would you rather have from these closers, or closers in waiting?Broxton, Crow, or Holland?Thortnton, Addison, or Crain?Johnson, Gregg, or Lindstrom?Guerra or Jansen?
To add to this question. I currently have Broxton, Johnson, Thornton, and Jansen. Farnsworth is my only other RP, so I need saves, for sure.Is there any news on those closer situations, or is it still speculation? Everyone besides Guerra is available in my league.HollandReedLindstromJansenWho would you rather have from these closers, or closers in waiting?Broxton, Crow, or Holland?Thortnton, Addison, or Crain?Johnson, Gregg, or Lindstrom?Guerra or Jansen?
Speculation. I'm in the same boat as I have no RPs and a higher waiver priority got Marshall.To add to this question. I currently have Broxton, Johnson, Thornton, and Jansen. Farnsworth is my only other RP, so I need saves, for sure.Is there any news on those closer situations, or is it still speculation? Everyone besides Guerra is available in my league.HollandReedWho would you rather have from these closers, or closers in waiting?
Broxton, Crow, or Holland?
Thortnton, Addison, or Crain?
Johnson, Gregg, or Lindstrom?
Guerra or Jansen?
Lindstrom
Jansen
The word I am hearing is Holland is the better long term option but Broxton will get the chance to lose the job. The kid they have in AAA (Kelvin Herrera) is very good but at least one season if not two away from the show.Speculation. I'm in the same boat as I have no RPs and a higher waiver priority got Marshall.To add to this question. I currently have Broxton, Johnson, Thornton, and Jansen. Farnsworth is my only other RP, so I need saves, for sure.Is there any news on those closer situations, or is it still speculation? Everyone besides Guerra is available in my league.HollandReedWho would you rather have from these closers, or closers in waiting?
Broxton, Crow, or Holland?
Thortnton, Addison, or Crain?
Johnson, Gregg, or Lindstrom?
Guerra or Jansen?
Lindstrom
Jansen
Draft skills, not roles - Holland, Reed, and Jansen.But then again this is also why I'm ensuring I have 3 of the first 20 closers off the board this year. It's fuglier than usual at the end.Who would you rather have from these closers, or closers in waiting?Broxton, Crow, or Holland?Thortnton, Addison, or Crain?Johnson, Gregg, or Lindstrom?Guerra or Jansen?
Why don't you homos get in that saves thread for Christ's sake and maybe you'll learn something. (or post your projections)TIAThe word I am hearing is Holland is the better long term option but Broxton will get the chance to lose the job. The kid they have in AAA (Kelvin Herrera) is very good but at least one season if not two away from the show.Speculation. I'm in the same boat as I have no RPs and a higher waiver priority got Marshall.To add to this question. I currently have Broxton, Johnson, Thornton, and Jansen. Farnsworth is my only other RP, so I need saves, for sure.Is there any news on those closer situations, or is it still speculation? Everyone besides Guerra is available in my league.HollandReedWho would you rather have from these closers, or closers in waiting?
Broxton, Crow, or Holland?
Thortnton, Addison, or Crain?
Johnson, Gregg, or Lindstrom?
Guerra or Jansen?
Lindstrom
Jansen
Thornton will get first crack at it but he is better at setup than closing so Reed will get it by May. Whether he hold sit is another story.
I really like Lindstrom as a sneaky closer - Johnson hurt too much and I think Gregg might have broken into the league with Honus Wagner.
Finally, Jansen is significantly better than Guerra and I can't believe he hasn't already secured the job. Jansen is a very good pitcher.
Cliff notes.... Only five teams in baseball history with more than 15 saves had one reliever record all of them; Dusty Baker managed three.
Terribly worded. I think it means that nobody else on the team, besides the closer, recorded any saves.Cliff notes.... Only five teams in baseball history with more than 15 saves had one reliever record all of them; Dusty Baker managed three.
Sorry, it was c/p from the article. Yes, that's what it means. He is the only guy who always saves his closer for save opps, doesn't rest his closer after multiple days in a row, and obviously never lets other guys finish out longer saves. He is the best possible manager for feeding saves to one guy.Terribly worded. I think it means that nobody else on the team, besides the closer, recorded any saves.Cliff notes.... Only five teams in baseball history with more than 15 saves had one reliever record all of them; Dusty Baker managed three.
Ah, I see.'cheese said:Sorry, it was c/p from the article. Yes, that's what it means. He is the only guy who always saves his closer for save opps, doesn't rest his closer after multiple days in a row, and obviously never lets other guys finish out longer saves. He is the best possible manager for feeding saves to one guy.'the moops said:Terribly worded. I think it means that nobody else on the team, besides the closer, recorded any saves.'Doctor Detroit said:'cheese said:Cliff notes.... Only five teams in baseball history with more than 15 saves had one reliever record all of them; Dusty Baker managed three.
Clippard not gonna close, we don't know much more than that at the moment. Everyone is guessing Lidge for now.With Storen's uncertainty, who will get the save opportunities? Lidge or Rodriguez? Will Clippard remain setup guy, or will he get the closer role?
Default setting to the veteran, but if Rodrgiuez keeps pitching the way he has been a couple of lemons from Lidge and he'll slide in. If you have room for both, do it, because in the meantime Rodriguez could provide some crazy K numbers. Just hope he doesn't murder your WHIPClippard not gonna close, we don't know much more than that at the moment. Everyone is guessing Lidge for now.With Storen's uncertainty, who will get the save opportunities? Lidge or Rodriguez? Will Clippard remain setup guy, or will he get the closer role?
Wow - so far Herrerra has remained with the big club. I thought he'd be sent down for one more year of seasoning. He is the closer in waiting.Why don't you homos get in that saves thread for Christ's sake and maybe you'll learn something. (or post your projections)TIAThe word I am hearing is Holland is the better long term option but Broxton will get the chance to lose the job. The kid they have in AAA (Kelvin Herrera) is very good but at least one season if not two away from the show.Speculation. I'm in the same boat as I have no RPs and a higher waiver priority got Marshall.To add to this question. I currently have Broxton, Johnson, Thornton, and Jansen. Farnsworth is my only other RP, so I need saves, for sure.Is there any news on those closer situations, or is it still speculation? Everyone besides Guerra is available in my league.HollandReedWho would you rather have from these closers, or closers in waiting?
Broxton, Crow, or Holland?
Thortnton, Addison, or Crain?
Johnson, Gregg, or Lindstrom?
Guerra or Jansen?
Lindstrom
Jansen
Thornton will get first crack at it but he is better at setup than closing so Reed will get it by May. Whether he hold sit is another story.
I really like Lindstrom as a sneaky closer - Johnson hurt too much and I think Gregg might have broken into the league with Honus Wagner.
Finally, Jansen is significantly better than Guerra and I can't believe he hasn't already secured the job. Jansen is a very good pitcher.
I saw that inning against the Mets. Rodriguez looked pretty awesome.Default setting to the veteran, but if Rodrgiuez keeps pitching the way he has been a couple of lemons from Lidge and he'll slide in. If you have room for both, do it, because in the meantime Rodriguez could provide some crazy K numbers. Just hope he doesn't murder your WHIPClippard not gonna close, we don't know much more than that at the moment. Everyone is guessing Lidge for now.With Storen's uncertainty, who will get the save opportunities? Lidge or Rodriguez? Will Clippard remain setup guy, or will he get the closer role?
Right now? Crain. Capps is awful. Herrera is a better bet to be closing games later this year or 2013 though because Crain isn't anything special himself. Herrera might be. But he has two guys and a broken Soria between him and the job.I'm dropping Gregorson for another late inning guy, Crain or Herrera, who would you gamble on to get holds/saves? Aceves is also available
Casher then probably Brach.'Annyong said:who is the back up in SD? Cashner? Gregerson?
I’m happy with this group,” Yost said. “We’ve got a real good long guy in Teaford, multiple-inning guys in Crow, Collins and Herrera who can get lefties and righties out.
“We’ve got a good (lefty) set-up guy in Mijares and power at the back of the bullpen with Holland and Broxton.”
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/29/3523348/royals-finalize-roster-with-teaford.html#storylink=cpy
With the rotation he has, Yost will need every one of those bullpen armsEd Yost:
I’m happy with this group,” Yost said. “We’ve got a real good long guy in Teaford, multiple-inning guys in Crow, Collins and Herrera who can get lefties and righties out.
“We’ve got a good (lefty) set-up guy in Mijares and power at the back of the bullpen with Holland and Broxton.”
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/29/3523348/royals-finalize-roster-with-teaford.html#storylink=cpy
Seems like D. Johnson understands that using your best RP situationaly and getting outs in the 7-8 innings are just as important as getting three outs with no one on in the 9th. He's so old he's retro now.Clippard not gonna close, we don't know much more than that at the moment. Everyone is guessing Lidge for now.With Storen's uncertainty, who will get the save opportunities? Lidge or Rodriguez? Will Clippard remain setup guy, or will he get the closer role?
Bruce Levine - "Unknown closer for today's opener. Manager says the players know their roles on a daily basis."
Don't know why Ventura is not naming Thornton his closer. HE has the best skills. Small sample size, but besides Thronton, Addison Reed has the best skills of the rest.White Sox Update:
Bruce Levine - "Unknown closer for today's opener. Manager says the players know their roles on a daily basis."
I like the idea of a new manager trying something different. The paradigm that a save opportunity is automatically the highest leverage situation has been in place for over two decades. That doesn't necessarily make it the best strategy. The White Sox have a number of left handed and right handed options. It's early in the season and getting consistent work in is arguably better than waiting around for someone's pre-defined role to present itself. Managers and pitching coaches have tons more situational data to work with than they did in the days of Bruce Sutter and Jeff Reardon. Use it instead of just pushing the red button every time.Don't know why Ventura is not naming Thornton his closer. HE has the best skills. Small sample size, but besides Thronton, Addison Reed has the best skills of the rest.White Sox Update:
Bruce Levine - "Unknown closer for today's opener. Manager says the players know their roles on a daily basis."
cuz he sucked last yr in the closer role :stillbitter:Don't know why Ventura is not naming Thornton his closer. HE has the best skills. Small sample size, but besides Thronton, Addison Reed has the best skills of the rest.White Sox Update:
Bruce Levine - "Unknown closer for today's opener. Manager says the players know their roles on a daily basis."
Using your best guy for the 9th is becoming less popular. Tyler Clippard and Mike Adams are kind of good examples of this, among others.I like the idea of a new manager trying something different. The paradigm that a save opportunity is automatically the highest leverage situation has been in place for over two decades. That doesn't necessarily make it the best strategy. The White Sox have a number of left handed and right handed options. It's early in the season and getting consistent work in is arguably better than waiting around for someone's pre-defined role to present itself. Managers and pitching coaches have tons more situational data to work with than they did in the days of Bruce Sutter and Jeff Reardon. Use it instead of just pushing the red button every time.Don't know why Ventura is not naming Thornton his closer. HE has the best skills. Small sample size, but besides Thronton, Addison Reed has the best skills of the rest.White Sox Update:
Bruce Levine - "Unknown closer for today's opener. Manager says the players know their roles on a daily basis."
True. Unfortunately there are times when those guys should be used in the 9th, and that rarely happens.Using your best guy for the 9th is becoming less popular. Tyler Clippard and Mike Adams are kind of good examples of this, among others.
Peralta the favorite of Madden, Rodney and Howell both have closing experience and McGee is supposed to be the future closer. I think this could be a mess all year but the two safest pickups are Rodney and Peralta.What's the story in TB? Is Rodney the frontrunner there now?
He got the save for Chicago, tonight.'pollardsvision said:Hector Santiago was warming up for the 9th. Take that for what you will (I'm taking it to the waiver wire, as soon as I figure out who to cut).
Thornton with the win. Came on in the 8th in a tie game.He got the save for Chicago, tonight.'pollardsvision said:Hector Santiago was warming up for the 9th. Take that for what you will (I'm taking it to the waiver wire, as soon as I figure out who to cut).