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Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (3 Viewers)
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Wingnut
Footballguy
This pretty much sums up Kaep:Kaepernick...is a reaction QB - he sees something, he reacts, and if things open up, he can be awesome to behold.
But there is very little surveying, examining and dissecting going on. He either sees somebody open and throws it very hard, or he gets antsy and either tries to force it somewhere or gets bungled up in the pocket not sure whether to run or what to do.
WarmUpTheBus
Footballguy
True. But at the same time, they're playing Oakland this week. The same Oakland team that St. Louis bombed by 50 last week. I see no reason in the world why he can't have a solid game on Sunday.
drummer
Footballguy
What the hell does Kawakami know? After the Dallas game, he wrote that the 49ers will be in the Super Bowl.
The 49ers should just hire Chris Ault, who with Kaep helped him set records in Nevada. Then fire Baalke for not being able to know how to draft or build anything offense. You can't spread an offense out with no speed and no way to set edges. Hell, the only play that works to set an outside edge in that offense is the crack/wham/whatever play.
ETA: the 49ers can't even execute a screen play. That's on Baalke, who is busy trying to find a WR with two broken legs so he can shelve him for the next two seasons.
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
Cool read. Too bad neither Kaep nor RGIII will ever be a triple threat - they lack either the work ethic, desire, or brains (or a combination of them) to make it happen.
drummer
Footballguy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruiUgDyMf60I don't even know who he is, but he nailed it in those 2 paragraphs.
drummer
Footballguy
You remember what 49er fans said about Young, don't you? The ones who weren't making death threats against him.
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Nope. The internet didnt exist back in those days and I was a 49er fan living in Michigan...not exactly a hot bed of SF news/opinion/media. I knew more about the Lions than I ever cared to though.
Zow
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
Jeff George as a passer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Kaep
cstu
Footballguy
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
I will start him against Oakland and think he will do well. He is due for some rushing exploits and should be able to throw on Oakland.
Gvindy
Footballguy
They have very similar #'s, different eras I know. My point is they are both somewhat inaccurate but have big arms. Jeff George probably took more long shots though.
matuski
Footballguy
George could function in a pocket. Check and mate where I am concerned.They have very similar #'s, different eras I know. My point is they are both somewhat inaccurate but have big arms. Jeff George probably took more long shots though.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
George was a front runner. At the first sign of adversity he wilted. CK has more heart. I don't really see the comparison. And I'm not a Kap fan.George could function in a pocket. Check and mate where I am concerned.They have very similar #'s, different eras I know. My point is they are both somewhat inaccurate but have big arms. Jeff George probably took more long shots though.
drummer
Footballguy
Yeah, you're reaching hard here.They have very similar #'s, different eras I know. My point is they are both somewhat inaccurate but have big arms. Jeff George probably took more long shots though.
ETA: for one thing, you just can't look at the deep yardage and say "George = Kaep". Because the mechanics of each QB are totally different. George had a weird tendency with his release, using his index finger on the tip of the football that maybe helped him drive the ball deep, or maybe just helped him feel more comfortable with the ball, and it may have hurt his accuracy on shorter throws. What killed George was his head. I think he drove Gruden nuts with his checking out of his offense while in OAK. His audibles led right into sacks or turnovers. It seemed that Gruden couldn't get rid of George fast enough. He IIRC was a holdover from Al Davis anyway, so he wasn't attached to Gruden.
The problem with Kaep is that the 49ers have booted back into "schizo offense", because the franchise itself forgot it's own traditions of offense. They haven't drafted or signed players with any idea of what kind of offense is it's base. It's been that way for well over a decade now, since they ditched the WCO. They didn't even have a GM for a few years. The offense is a total mess right now, because:
1 - They have too many cooks in the offensive kitchen.
2 - They have a team president who is younger than 40 years old, who has never ran an NFL franchise before, and his only qualification for his current job is because he nuzzled on his Mama's teat. It's very clear now that he is in over his head on the job too.
3 - They could be preparing for Jim Harbaugh's exit.
4 - They have a GM who has never held that position anywhere before, and was only a scout on former GM Scot McGlouhan's staff before his ascension to GM.
5 - They have Paraag Marathe trying out his Moneyball tactics, who has overseen some of the worst seasons of offensive football the 49ers have ever fielded recently.
Kaep is never going to be Joe Montana revisited. I'm going to mention Jeff Garcia once again to remind a few here of the last QB to post exceptional numbers in SF, but he was the last one to do that there. It took Bill Walsh himself to find him, due to a suggestion from somebody local.
Bill Walsh is dead, and so lies the 49ers own tradition along with him.
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Pots
Footballguy
George was a front runner. At the first sign of adversity he wilted. CK has more heart. I don't really see the comparison. And I'm not a Kap fan.George could function in a pocket. Check and mate where I am concerned.They have very similar #'s, different eras I know. My point is they are both somewhat inaccurate but have big arms. Jeff George probably took more long shots though.
Pots
Footballguy
Have you been watching the same Kaep as we have?Did you guys watch the same Jeff George with the Colts that I did?
drummer
Footballguy
Did the Jeff George Colts run the same offense?Did you guys watch the same Jeff George with the Colts that I did?
drummer
Footballguy
Here is a chicken or the egg question:
Does a QB's mechanics come first before the offensive design, or after?
ETA: George had a very quick release, but his unconventional mechanics may had compromised any command of the offense. Any doubt in a QB's head within a passing offense is death to the offense as a whole. If a QB bounces from franchise to franchise like George had, chances are it's the total sum of parts that doesn't add to being a franchise QB.
Does a QB's mechanics come first before the offensive design, or after?
ETA: George had a very quick release, but his unconventional mechanics may had compromised any command of the offense. Any doubt in a QB's head within a passing offense is death to the offense as a whole. If a QB bounces from franchise to franchise like George had, chances are it's the total sum of parts that doesn't add to being a franchise QB.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Agreed. I still recall the time George fumbled a snap as a Viking. It was right in front of him and he just stared at it as if to say "you don't expect me to go get that."George was a front runner. At the first sign of adversity he wilted. CK has more heart. I don't really see the comparison. And I'm not a Kap fan.George could function in a pocket. Check and mate where I am concerned.They have very similar #'s, different eras I know. My point is they are both somewhat inaccurate but have big arms. Jeff George probably took more long shots though.
drummer
Footballguy
Oh yeah, saw that same play too. George loved his own arm than most football people did, lol. Million Dollar Arm, Ten Cent Head. That's why there are a million prep QB's with George's arm who can't run a basic offense.Agreed. I still recall the time George fumbled a snap as a Viking. It was right in front of him and he just stared at it as if to say "you don't expect me to go get that."George was a front runner. At the first sign of adversity he wilted. CK has more heart. I don't really see the comparison. And I'm not a Kap fan.George could function in a pocket. Check and mate where I am concerned.They have very similar #'s, different eras I know. My point is they are both somewhat inaccurate but have big arms. Jeff George probably took more long shots though.
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matuski
Footballguy
I didn't make the comparison, and wouldn't. I'd put Jeff George in all day every day over Kaep. I don't view this as much of a compliment to George in any way.George was a front runner. At the first sign of adversity he wilted. CK has more heart. I don't really see the comparison. And I'm not a Kap fan.George could function in a pocket. Check and mate where I am concerned.They have very similar #'s, different eras I know. My point is they are both somewhat inaccurate but have big arms. Jeff George probably took more long shots though.
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CalBear
Footballguy
Please.
Jeff George is a 57.9% career QB, with a 3.9 TD% and 2.8 INT%. Passer rating 80.4. 7.0 Y/A. 46-78 record as a starter. One post-season win in his career. And if you look at his first three years, his numbers are way worse than that.
Kapernick is significantly better in every passing statistic, and in three years as a starter has already rushed for four times as much yardage as George did in his career. He's also been to the NFC championship game twice, winning once, and played a competitive game in the Super Bowl where he accounted for 364 yards and 2 TDs.
If you're going to take a position, don't make it a ridiculous one.
cstu
Footballguy
During his four years in Indy, George had a 6.23 YPA (ranked 49th among QB's who played at least 20 games in that span) and threw 41 TD's and 46 INT's.Have you been watching the same Kaep as we have?Did you guys watch the same Jeff George with the Colts that I did?
During his three years in SF, Kaepernick has a 7.67 YPA (ranked 5th among QB's who played at least 20 games in that span) and threw 46 TD's and 19 INT's.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
As I've said, I'm not a Kap fan (Seahawk homer), but these comparisons to George are silly. They are not similar at all.
I think a more apt comparison to George is Jay Cutler. Someone who seems to have all the tools but is missing leadership skills and lacks heart.
I think a more apt comparison to George is Jay Cutler. Someone who seems to have all the tools but is missing leadership skills and lacks heart.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
drummer
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
Yeah, pair him with Andy Reid, and you have jurbexcuses.Oak exposing Keap now as well.
JoeyJoeJoeJrShabadoo
Footballguy
He's being outplayed by a rookie QB of a 1-11 team, and its not close. He's a fringe starting NFL QB whose days are numbered.
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Trash.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Well when your fanboys slobbing doesn't work out so well go back 2.5 years and rip on Alex Smith.
tool.
drummer
Footballguy
This works better over at PFT.Well when your fanboys slobbing doesn't work out so well go back 2.5 years and rip on Alex Smith.
drummer
Footballguy
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
He is one of the worst QBs in the league. No TDs in the 4th Q? All season? Garbage is an understatement. I will say worthless because some garbage has value.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Wat? Never been there before. Sorry.This works better over at PFT.Well when your fanboys slobbing doesn't work out so well go back 2.5 years and rip on Alex Smith.
drummer
Footballguy
Jeez, he took the bait too.Wat? Never been there before. Sorry.This works better over at PFT.Well when your fanboys slobbing doesn't work out so well go back 2.5 years and rip on Alex Smith.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I honestly don't get the "Yeah, but Smith sucks too!!!" argument. How is that somehow a feather in the cap for this horrific QB?
drummer
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
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