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so over the last 4 years how did they treat him like garbage. They kissed his butt for 3 years, I don't know how long you expected the Packers to put up with it but I think 3 years is long enough for any legend. Right now the NYJ don't have a clue who their starting QB will be next year, it will depend on Favre.It looks like we don't have allot of posters in management here.IndyHavoc said:
Of course not that dramatic.But yesterday was the culmination of one of the biggest managerial mishandlings in the NFL for quite some time in my opinion.This is a bottom line game. And the bottom line is that they were unable to deliver their best player to the starting line up this season. And I believe it is mostly their fault. Now all of this is based on the assumption that Favre would have been a lot better than Rodgers will be. If you don't believe that, then obviously, it's not a blunder.J
and there is no consideration for what the Packers do next year without Favre... or the next year?Eventually Favre needs to give someone something, and this back and forth stuff is
especially this year since he actually retired for most of the off-season...
Do you think Favre would have retired if Thompson or McCarthy told him he was wanted back in February?and there is no consideration for what the Packers do next year without Favre... or the next year?Eventually Favre needs to give someone something, and this back and forth stuff isespecially this year since he actually retired for most of the off-season...
I'm kind of tired reading about the back-and-forth from the Favre camp and the Packers FO camp of who disrespected who. Regardless of which party (or both) was responsible for this trainwreck, you have to give the Pack credit for making the best out of a bad situation. A few days ago, they were offering this guy $25 million to go away. Now they somehow have an extra 4th round pick. Good for them.Edit: I just got back home from a 12-hour road trip, so if a million other people have made this same point, I apologize.
I was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.Always drama with him in the off-season.
I believe that is ridiculous. I think Farve expected to be welcomed with open arms. He wasn't. Then he decided he wanted to go to Minnesota. The team wouldn't agree to just release him. Coming back to force their hand couldn't happen without really being disruptive to the team, so he looked at his other options. But to imagine that Farve's goal all along was to go to Minnesota is nonsensical. If that was indeed the case then he would press the issue and report.
How do you know they didn't?Do you think Favre would have retired if Thompson or McCarthy told him he was wanted back in February?and there is no consideration for what the Packers do next year without Favre... or the next year?Eventually Favre needs to give someone something, and this back and forth stuff is
It wasn't just $20 M to go sit on his but in Mississippi for the rest of his life...it was $20 M to work for the team for the next decade in promotions doing what the team needed him to do as far as promoting team events and such...They were hiring him in a non-football position...I was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.Always drama with him in the off-season.
According to ESPN (who have been posting Favre's side of this exclusively from day 1), Favre's agent contacted other teams about Favre playing for them in 2008 before he said a word to the Packers about playing in Green Bay in 2008...
Favre retires, he was not forced to retire...And before he says ANYTHING to Green Bay about playing QB for them, his agent talks to OTHER TEAMS about Favre playing for them.
) than I can remember in quite some time.
And the Packers will have a much higher draft pick then they would have with Farve. That was probably a part of the plan, don't you think?
Honestly, I don't understand why everyone thinks Favre is, right now, better than Rodgers...The only comparison I have of them is the Dallas game, and Rodgers played better...And the Packers will have a much higher draft pick then they would have with Farve. That was probably a part of the plan, don't you think?
Yes, it was hard for them to play poor with Grant while they were offering Favre that.I also heard some rumblings from older Packer veterans that are struggling now. It's hard for them to see that kind of money being thrown around when they feel like they could use a slice of it. And deserve some of it.JI was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.Always drama with him in the off-season.
They weren't playing poor with Grant... They weren't willing to throw a ton of money at Grant when he hasn't proven anything really... 10 games isn't proving yourself...Yes, it was hard for them to play poor with Grant while they were offering Favre that.I also heard some rumblings from older Packer veterans that are struggling now. It's hard for them to see that kind of money being thrown around when they feel like they could use a slice of it. And deserve some of it.JI was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.Always drama with him in the off-season.
Do you seriously think Rodgers is better than Farve? Wow, do you believe in the Easter Bunny too? We shall see what happens, but I think the Pack made a big mistake. But to imagine that Rodgers is going to be better than Farve this season is a little silly to say the least.Honestly, I don't understand why everyone thinks Favre is, right now, better than Rodgers...The only comparison I have of them is the Dallas game, and Rodgers played better...And the Packers will have a much higher draft pick then they would have with Farve. That was probably a part of the plan, don't you think?
You Rodgers' backers hang your hat quite tightly on that losing contest. If you're that excited about his performance against opponents who didn't gameplan or have footage of him, I can imagine how great this year will be with him starting for the first time and teams figuring out what they are facing sooner rather than later. People might not like that Crayton spoke out about it because he hasn't proven anything in the NFL yet, but what he said validated the people who are not impressed with Rodgers' play in that game.How's everyone feel about AR's camp and scrimmage play so far? Yes, change is very exciting!Honestly, I don't understand why everyone thinks Favre is, right now, better than Rodgers...The only comparison I have of them is the Dallas game, and Rodgers played better...And the Packers will have a much higher draft pick then they would have with Farve. That was probably a part of the plan, don't you think?
Wow! That is not a very bright way to make a determination about which QB is better but expected from larry_boy.Honestly, I don't understand why everyone thinks Favre is, right now, better than Rodgers...The only comparison I have of them is the Dallas game, and Rodgers played better...And the Packers will have a much higher draft pick then they would have with Farve. That was probably a part of the plan, don't you think?
Yet you are willing to state that Rodgers is better than Favre based on ONE GAME.They weren't playing poor with Grant... They weren't willing to throw a ton of money at Grant when he hasn't proven anything really... 10 games isn't proving yourself...Yes, it was hard for them to play poor with Grant while they were offering Favre that.I also heard some rumblings from older Packer veterans that are struggling now. It's hard for them to see that kind of money being thrown around when they feel like they could use a slice of it. And deserve some of it.JI was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.Always drama with him in the off-season.
Brett Favre: 5/14 for 56 yards, 2 INTsAaron Rodgers: 18/26 for 201 yards and 1 TDso the only place that we have to make any real comparison between the two, Rodgers actually won...We don't know how good Rodgers is, we don't know how well he'll play as the starter, its all a guess...But to assume that just because Brett is who he is that he is automatically better than a 25 year old first round pick (ESPECIALLY at 39 years old) is just silly and you know it.Do you seriously think Rodgers is better than Farve? Wow, do you believe in the Easter Bunny too? We shall see what happens, but I think the Pack made a big mistake. But to imagine that Rodgers is going to be better than Farve this season is a little silly to say the least.Honestly, I don't understand why everyone thinks Favre is, right now, better than Rodgers...The only comparison I have of them is the Dallas game, and Rodgers played better...And the Packers will have a much higher draft pick then they would have with Farve. That was probably a part of the plan, don't you think?
Yet you are willing to state that Rodgers is better than Favre based on ONE GAME.They weren't playing poor with Grant... They weren't willing to throw a ton of money at Grant when he hasn't proven anything really... 10 games isn't proving yourself...Yes, it was hard for them to play poor with Grant while they were offering Favre that.I also heard some rumblings from older Packer veterans that are struggling now. It's hard for them to see that kind of money being thrown around when they feel like they could use a slice of it. And deserve some of it.JI was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.Always drama with him in the off-season.
I didn't ever say Rodgers was better than Favre...I said we don't know who is better and that the only comparison (the Dallas game) seems to say Rodgers was better... Is it not a very good comparison? Yeah, but there is no real way to compare the two.No one has seen Favre do ANYTHING in 8 months... and we don't have any idea how good Rodgers is going to be...Yet you are willing to state that Rodgers is better than Favre based on ONE GAME.They weren't playing poor with Grant... They weren't willing to throw a ton of money at Grant when he hasn't proven anything really... 10 games isn't proving yourself...Yes, it was hard for them to play poor with Grant while they were offering Favre that.I also heard some rumblings from older Packer veterans that are struggling now. It's hard for them to see that kind of money being thrown around when they feel like they could use a slice of it. And deserve some of it.JI was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.Always drama with him in the off-season.
What is silly are your recent posts on trying to compare Rodgers with Favre. Not even silly but downright pathetic.Brett Favre: 5/14 for 56 yards, 2 INTsAaron Rodgers: 18/26 for 201 yards and 1 TDso the only place that we have to make any real comparison between the two, Rodgers actually won...We don't know how good Rodgers is, we don't know how well he'll play as the starter, its all a guess...But to assume that just because Brett is who he is that he is automatically better than a 25 year old first round pick (ESPECIALLY at 39 years old) is just silly and you know it.Really?let's compare, shall we:Do you seriously think Rodgers is better than Farve? Wow, do you believe in the Easter Bunny too? We shall see what happens, but I think the Pack made a big mistake. But to imagine that Rodgers is going to be better than Farve this season is a little silly to say the least.Honestly, I don't understand why everyone thinks Favre is, right now, better than Rodgers...The only comparison I have of them is the Dallas game, and Rodgers played better...And the Packers will have a much higher draft pick then they would have with Farve. That was probably a part of the plan, don't you think?
What has Rodgers done in those 8 months?No one has seen Favre do ANYTHING in 8 months... and we don't have any idea how good Rodgers is going to be...Yet you are willing to state that Rodgers is better than Favre based on ONE GAME.They weren't playing poor with Grant... They weren't willing to throw a ton of money at Grant when he hasn't proven anything really... 10 games isn't proving yourself...Yes, it was hard for them to play poor with Grant while they were offering Favre that.I also heard some rumblings from older Packer veterans that are struggling now. It's hard for them to see that kind of money being thrown around when they feel like they could use a slice of it. And deserve some of it.JI was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.Always drama with him in the off-season.
I'm not really comparing them. I'm saying that there is nothing to compare them by.You can't take one game and assume careers by it... So, yeah, the Dallas game is a bad measuring stick... But its still the only one we have on any level...Which means that we can't, as of right now, really, truely know who would give Green Bay the better chance to win... All we know is that they chose Rodgers and stuck with him, probably in a large part due to the fact that they know Rodgers is here to stay and they had no real guaruntee Favre was going to stay or even play in the regular season (he could just retire again)What is silly are your recent posts on trying to compare Rodgers with Favre. Not even silly but downright pathetic.Brett Favre: 5/14 for 56 yards, 2 INTsAaron Rodgers: 18/26 for 201 yards and 1 TDso the only place that we have to make any real comparison between the two, Rodgers actually won...We don't know how good Rodgers is, we don't know how well he'll play as the starter, its all a guess...But to assume that just because Brett is who he is that he is automatically better than a 25 year old first round pick (ESPECIALLY at 39 years old) is just silly and you know it.Really?let's compare, shall we:Do you seriously think Rodgers is better than Farve? Wow, do you believe in the Easter Bunny too? We shall see what happens, but I think the Pack made a big mistake. But to imagine that Rodgers is going to be better than Farve this season is a little silly to say the least.Honestly, I don't understand why everyone thinks Favre is, right now, better than Rodgers...The only comparison I have of them is the Dallas game, and Rodgers played better...And the Packers will have a much higher draft pick then they would have with Farve. That was probably a part of the plan, don't you think?
Practice with the team, work out with the team, be the leader of the team... Things that Favre should have been doing the last 3 years and, really, wasn't...What has Rodgers done in those 8 months?No one has seen Favre do ANYTHING in 8 months... and we don't have any idea how good Rodgers is going to be...Yet you are willing to state that Rodgers is better than Favre based on ONE GAME.They weren't playing poor with Grant... They weren't willing to throw a ton of money at Grant when he hasn't proven anything really... 10 games isn't proving yourself...Yes, it was hard for them to play poor with Grant while they were offering Favre that.I also heard some rumblings from older Packer veterans that are struggling now. It's hard for them to see that kind of money being thrown around when they feel like they could use a slice of it. And deserve some of it.JI was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.Always drama with him in the off-season.
Are you really this ignorant?Practice with the team, work out with the team, be the leader of the team... Things that Favre should have been doing the last 3 years and, really, wasn't...What has Rodgers done in those 8 months?No one has seen Favre do ANYTHING in 8 months... and we don't have any idea how good Rodgers is going to be...Yet you are willing to state that Rodgers is better than Favre based on ONE GAME.They weren't playing poor with Grant... They weren't willing to throw a ton of money at Grant when he hasn't proven anything really... 10 games isn't proving yourself...Yes, it was hard for them to play poor with Grant while they were offering Favre that.I also heard some rumblings from older Packer veterans that are struggling now. It's hard for them to see that kind of money being thrown around when they feel like they could use a slice of it. And deserve some of it.I was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.
Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.
Always drama with him in the off-season.
J
Really? What makes you so certain that Rodgers will not leave GB via free agency when he can to escape the shadow of Favre?All we know is that they chose Rodgers and stuck with him, probably in a large part due to the fact that they know Rodgers is here to stayWhat is silly are your recent posts on trying to compare Rodgers with Favre. Not even silly but downright pathetic.Brett Favre: 5/14 for 56 yards, 2 INTsAaron Rodgers: 18/26 for 201 yards and 1 TDso the only place that we have to make any real comparison between the two, Rodgers actually won...We don't know how good Rodgers is, we don't know how well he'll play as the starter, its all a guess...But to assume that just because Brett is who he is that he is automatically better than a 25 year old first round pick (ESPECIALLY at 39 years old) is just silly and you know it.Really?let's compare, shall we:Do you seriously think Rodgers is better than Farve? Wow, do you believe in the Easter Bunny too? We shall see what happens, but I think the Pack made a big mistake. But to imagine that Rodgers is going to be better than Farve this season is a little silly to say the least.Honestly, I don't understand why everyone thinks Favre is, right now, better than Rodgers...The only comparison I have of them is the Dallas game, and Rodgers played better...And the Packers will have a much higher draft pick then they would have with Farve. That was probably a part of the plan, don't you think?
DamnAre you really this ignorant?Practice with the team, work out with the team, be the leader of the team... Things that Favre should have been doing the last 3 years and, really, wasn't...What has Rodgers done in those 8 months?No one has seen Favre do ANYTHING in 8 months... and we don't have any idea how good Rodgers is going to be...Yet you are willing to state that Rodgers is better than Favre based on ONE GAME.They weren't playing poor with Grant... They weren't willing to throw a ton of money at Grant when he hasn't proven anything really... 10 games isn't proving yourself...Yes, it was hard for them to play poor with Grant while they were offering Favre that.I also heard some rumblings from older Packer veterans that are struggling now. It's hard for them to see that kind of money being thrown around when they feel like they could use a slice of it. And deserve some of it.I was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.
Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.
Always drama with him in the off-season.
J
I live in Wisconsin... All anyone talks about here is the Packers... All day, every day... Our sports talk during the baseball season is a recap of the Brewers game, a comment or two about it, and then the Packers for a couple hours...Its absurd... I know what is going on, I know what I'm talking about...Favre has been isolated from the team for a long time, he's said so himself... Its somewhat understandable, but Rodgers isn't... and I think that's a good thing...Rodgers is still improving, I also think that's a good thing because this whole team is improving and eventually Favre is gonna hit the wall and be horrible, and benching Favre is 100% unthinkable. Trading him can be justified on some level (even if no one is truely happy about it), but benching him is simply not an option...That means Favre could NOT stay here. He just couldn't.Rodgers fits the direction the team is going in, Favre doesn't. Rodgers is doing all the things it would have been nice if Favre could do for the last few years, but Favre was a 36 year old veteran on the youngest team in the NFL... He couldn't connect with them in the same way...Plus, Rodgers is younger, he isn't set in his ways, he can do new things, they can add things they couldn't with Favre...Is it ideal? No... Is Rodgers better, right now, than Favre is right now? Who knows... But Rodgers is the QB the Packers should be starting this season. It would be different if Favre had said in March when he first retired or June when he first waffled that he was coming back to Green Bay, but he didn't... He did everything he could to not come back to the Packers...Are you really this ignorant?Practice with the team, work out with the team, be the leader of the team... Things that Favre should have been doing the last 3 years and, really, wasn't...What has Rodgers done in those 8 months?No one has seen Favre do ANYTHING in 8 months... and we don't have any idea how good Rodgers is going to be...Yet you are willing to state that Rodgers is better than Favre based on ONE GAME.They weren't playing poor with Grant... They weren't willing to throw a ton of money at Grant when he hasn't proven anything really... 10 games isn't proving yourself...Yes, it was hard for them to play poor with Grant while they were offering Favre that.I also heard some rumblings from older Packer veterans that are struggling now. It's hard for them to see that kind of money being thrown around when they feel like they could use a slice of it. And deserve some of it.JI was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.Always drama with him in the off-season.
What makes you think that he is going to leave the first chance he gets???All indications are that Rodgers likes it here and intends on staying as long as he isn't stuck being the backup his whole career... And he isn't, he's the starter now...That means that every reliable source of information is leaning towards him staying (and you are just making stuff up)Really? What makes you so certain that Rodgers will not leave GB via free agency when he can to escape the shadow of Favre?All we know is that they chose Rodgers and stuck with him, probably in a large part due to the fact that they know Rodgers is here to stayWhat is silly are your recent posts on trying to compare Rodgers with Favre. Not even silly but downright pathetic.Brett Favre: 5/14 for 56 yards, 2 INTsAaron Rodgers: 18/26 for 201 yards and 1 TDso the only place that we have to make any real comparison between the two, Rodgers actually won...We don't know how good Rodgers is, we don't know how well he'll play as the starter, its all a guess...But to assume that just because Brett is who he is that he is automatically better than a 25 year old first round pick (ESPECIALLY at 39 years old) is just silly and you know it.Really?let's compare, shall we:Do you seriously think Rodgers is better than Farve? Wow, do you believe in the Easter Bunny too? We shall see what happens, but I think the Pack made a big mistake. But to imagine that Rodgers is going to be better than Farve this season is a little silly to say the least.Honestly, I don't understand why everyone thinks Favre is, right now, better than Rodgers...The only comparison I have of them is the Dallas game, and Rodgers played better...And the Packers will have a much higher draft pick then they would have with Farve. That was probably a part of the plan, don't you think?
How does that back up your ignorant comment that Favre hasn't been a leader, hasn't worked out with the team, and hasn't practiced with the team for the last 3 years?I live in Wisconsin... All anyone talks about here is the Packers... All day, every day... Our sports talk during the baseball season is a recap of the Brewers game, a comment or two about it, and then the Packers for a couple hours...Its absurd... I know what is going on, I know what I'm talking about...Favre has been isolated from the team for a long time, he's said so himself... Its somewhat understandable, but Rodgers isn't... and I think that's a good thing...Rodgers is still improving, I also think that's a good thing because this whole team is improving and eventually Favre is gonna hit the wall and be horrible, and benching Favre is 100% unthinkable. Trading him can be justified on some level (even if no one is truely happy about it), but benching him is simply not an option...That means Favre could NOT stay here. He just couldn't.Rodgers fits the direction the team is going in, Favre doesn't. Rodgers is doing all the things it would have been nice if Favre could do for the last few years, but Favre was a 36 year old veteran on the youngest team in the NFL... He couldn't connect with them in the same way...Plus, Rodgers is younger, he isn't set in his ways, he can do new things, they can add things they couldn't with Favre...Is it ideal? No... Is Rodgers better, right now, than Favre is right now? Who knows... But Rodgers is the QB the Packers should be starting this season. It would be different if Favre had said in March when he first retired or June when he first waffled that he was coming back to Green Bay, but he didn't... He did everything he could to not come back to the Packers...Are you really this ignorant?Practice with the team, work out with the team, be the leader of the team... Things that Favre should have been doing the last 3 years and, really, wasn't...What has Rodgers done in those 8 months?No one has seen Favre do ANYTHING in 8 months... and we don't have any idea how good Rodgers is going to be...Yet you are willing to state that Rodgers is better than Favre based on ONE GAME.They weren't playing poor with Grant... They weren't willing to throw a ton of money at Grant when he hasn't proven anything really... 10 games isn't proving yourself...Yes, it was hard for them to play poor with Grant while they were offering Favre that.I also heard some rumblings from older Packer veterans that are struggling now. It's hard for them to see that kind of money being thrown around when they feel like they could use a slice of it. And deserve some of it.JI was extremely surprised when they supposedly offered him 20 mil to stay retired while at that point in time Ryan Grant was still trying to get over league minimum out of them.If I was Grant at that point in time I would have been livid.Packers screwed up their personnal matters this spring, although Favre has become quite a prima donna the last few years.Always drama with him in the off-season.
Favre has been disconnected from the team for about 3 seasons now... He doesn't spend time with his teammates, he doesn't really connect with them... Yeah, he practices (once training camp/the season starts), but it isn't the same...Favre and others have said that... I mean, didn't Favre basically have his own locker room last season?Rodgers had the whole team (or the whole offense, don't remember which) stay with him and work out in Cali for a week this offseason... Its actually a team, not a team with some guy who shows up and plays QB but isn't really part of it...
Good post joffer.
Also I think people are coming down a little to hard on the Packers when Favre is just as much if not more so to blame for what transpired this off season in Green Bay.
For someone that claims to know about the Packers you have no clue about how hard Favre worked in the offseason, in addition to comments made by Peter King about how hard Favre studied and worked each week to prepare for the games and how that took a toll on him. Please stop because you are making yourself look very foolish.
I never said he didn't study or work week to week... I said he wasn't really part of the team in the off-season, and on some level in season either... All he did was show up and play or practice... that's it...But there's more to it than that...
Keep backpeddling larry. You don't seem to know much at all about the Packers. Good luck with Thompson's decision to move on with Rodgers. I hope it works our for you and maybe you can get a better grasp of Packer football. Take care.
from: http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/297205
Favre had his own Locker Room...Favre demanded that the team make personnel decisions to his liking, he demanded coaching decisions, and held the team hostage with this "Will he, or won't he"
for years now...
I don't know... there's more to being a good team that just having a good leader... Favre brought it on the field, even if he did nothing with the team off the field...However, if Rodgers is above average, I think the team will win the division again.You need to remember that it wasn't Favre and Favre alone who won last year... No one can cover the WRs that Green Bay is throwing at them... and if they do figure out a way to do it, stopping Grant from running it down thier throats then became impossible...Favre had it easy. Honestly, as much as I think everyone overstated how bad he was when it was happening, I think his season 2 and 3 years ago are more showing of Favre's skill level at this point in his career than last year was... Last year was good because the team was that good. It was by far the most talented team Favre had around him ever. If Favre had been as good last year as he was in 1996, we would have probably won more games than we did and we would have been in the Super Bowl.
Are you serious? You truely have no clue and based on what you said that talent and Rodgers should get the Packers to the Super Bowl since you feel the team is better off with Rodgers than Favre.
I believe I said that the "franchise" is better with Rodgers than Favre... I don't know if the team will play better with Rodgers than they did with Favre, we won't know that 'til the season starts...However, the team (outside of Rodgers) is improved from last year to this year, IMO...oh yeah, and I do happen to think the Packers have a shot at the Super Bowl this year, no matter who thier QB is (Rodgers, Brohm, or Favre)
