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What if Game X is Professional Practicing?The list of which famous athlete would be good at sport/game X always starts with Allen Iverson.
What if Game X is Professional Practicing?The list of which famous athlete would be good at sport/game X always starts with Allen Iverson.
Simply because some people are good and some are bad doesn't make it oppressive--it makes it a typical life activity. Any situation where's there's a hierarchy has the potential to devolve into a tyranny but simply because it's a hierarchy doesn't make it a tyranny. Of course, some dodgeball games are oppressive but that's almost certainly due to the gym teacher's abuse of power. You asked for intellectual honesty and you got it.We could also look at it clearly and remember what it was like. I played dodgeball long before anyone put much thought into it. And it was exactly what I said it was. An exercise in trying to further dominate smaller kids. Coaches were fine with that as apparently many of you are. I remember kids sitting out those days because they would invariably be targets. They weren't the big kids. They were the small unathlectic kids. So give the whole dodgeball is a game with redeeming qualities a rest. Anyone willing to be intellectually honest knows better.
Tag, for example, singles out one poor participant, often the slowest child, as the dehumanized “It,” who runs vainly in pursuit of the quicker ones. Capture the Flag is nakedly militaristic. British Bulldog has obvious jingoistic colonial themes. Red ###, known in America as Butts Up, involves deliberate imposition of corporal punishment on losers.
Exactly. Sounds like all the more athletic kids in his class were non-competitive jerks, too. Try to assume your experience might not be universal before calling others intellectually dishonest.Sounds like you had a neanderthal for a coach or gym teacher. With coaches like that all sports become a way of picking on the smaller weaker kids. We could also look at it clearly and remember what it was like. I played dodgeball long before anyone put much thought into it. And it was exactly what I said it was. An exercise in trying to further dominate smaller kids. Coaches were fine with that as apparently many of you are. I remember kids sitting out those days because they would invariably be targets. They weren't the big kids. They were the small unathlectic kids. So give the whole dodgeball is a game with redeeming qualities a rest. Anyone willing to be intellectually honest knows better.
No one's calling it chess, but it's as high minded as any other game you play in gym class.I love the whole pretending there is some high minded concept to this game, why it's practically 3 dimensional chess. Yeah right.
the big kids suck at hide n seek and kick the can so it all evens out eventuallyWe could also look at it clearly and remember what it was like. I played dodgeball long before anyone put much thought into it. And it was exactly what I said it was. An exercise in trying to further dominate smaller kids. Coaches were fine with that as apparently many of you are. I remember kids sitting out those days because they would invariably be targets. They weren't the big kids. They were the small unathlectic kids. So give the whole dodgeball is a game with redeeming qualities a rest. Anyone willing to be intellectually honest knows better.
Never heard of butts up, but curiosity is piqued.Simply because some people are good and some are bad doesn't make it oppressive--it makes it a typical life activity. Any situation where's there's a hierarchy has the potential to devolve into a tyranny but simply because it's a hierarchy doesn't make it a tyranny. Of course, some dodgeball games are oppressive but that's almost certainly due to the gym teacher's abuse of power. You asked for intellectual honesty and you got it.
These "academics" also have issues with these other games:
Barry Sanders would have been the greatest dodge ball player ever.
I think Pat Mahomes would be a good dodge ball player. Nate Newton may not have been as good.
Fun fact:The list of which famous athlete would be good at sport/game X always starts with Allen Iverson.
We’re you raised by wolves or something?Never heard of butts up, but curiosity is piqued.
Your son sounds like a bully.Fun fact:
My son once took out NFL QB Cody Kessler in dodgeball. Actually true.
Is it the same as heads up seven up? Otherwise I got nothing.We’re you raised by wolves or something?
Yeah, I don't know what this either. If only we had some sort of machine that could give us answers to questions such as this.Is it the same as heads up seven up? Otherwise I got nothing.
Also from midwest (Iowa, later Wisconsin) and oblivious.Is it the same as heads up seven up? Otherwise I got nothing.
I used to really enjoy this game in grade school. Learned how to fight like a rabid dog for the ball.So where does smear the queer fall?
Ummm, I don't remember playing any version of that game.Just looked up butts up. Is apparently a game more common in the Northeast.
My understanding (from wikipedia ) : You basically have a bunch of kids and one ball. Try to throw the ball off the wall and get it to bounce. Then there is chaos to try and catch it. If you drop it, you bend over by the wall and someone gets to try and pelt your backside with the ball. If you throw it and someone catches it before it bounces, you get the same treatment. At least that is what I got in a 2 minute skimming.
i was going to comment on that but feared a banning.So where does smear the queer fall?
going to try this with the wife tonightJust looked up butts up. Is apparently a game more common in the Northeast.
My understanding (from wikipedia ) : You basically have a bunch of kids and one ball. Try to throw the ball off the wall and get it to bounce. Then there is chaos to try and catch it. If you drop it, you bend over by the wall and someone gets to try and pelt your backside with the ball. If you throw it and someone catches it before it bounces, you get the same treatment. At least that is what I got in a 2 minute skimming.
Huh. I'm from New England and we played something similar to this but there was no bending over. You just got pegged in the back. And we called it suicide.Just looked up butts up. Is apparently a game more common in the Northeast.
My understanding (from wikipedia ) : You basically have a bunch of kids and one ball. Try to throw the ball off the wall and get it to bounce. Then there is chaos to try and catch it. If you drop it, you bend over by the wall and someone gets to try and pelt your backside with the ball. If you throw it and someone catches it before it bounces, you get the same treatment. At least that is what I got in a 2 minute skimming.
We played something similar with a racquetball. Those things really sting.Huh. I'm from New England and we played something similar to this but there was no bending over. You just got pegged in the back. And we called it suicide.
Edit: Potentially poor choice of words here, but I'm leaving it.
Whoa whoa whoa. Can you put a trigger warning on this for some of the fellas here please?
Those nerf balls were great though, you could really unleash on anyone - with no regard. Sure, it wasn’t the knock out blow that a volley ball would deliver. But there was something still very satisfying about the way those nerf balls bounced off the dorks headsWhen I was in junior high we had to switch from volleyball to a soft nerd ball after a parent was concerned about her kid taking balls to his face. Looking back I remember all the girls and unathletic kids hiding against the wall as far back as they could so they wouldn't get hit.
I think 7-up was that “chill” game you played in class when you couldn’t go outside. I think everyone put they head down and held a thumb up and somebody had to go around the room Ana put your thumb down. Idk. It was stupidIs it the same as heads up seven up? Otherwise I got nothing.
This is how I remember it. I think with a tennis ball.Huh. I'm from New England and we played something similar to this but there was no bending over. You just got pegged in the back. And we called it suicide.
Edit: Potentially poor choice of words here, but I'm leaving it.
I grew up playing this just about every day after school (Catholic elementary school in NJ) in the playground/parking lot against the brick wall of the school. We had to wait a while for our bus, and some other kids who walked home would hang around to play before leaving.Just looked up butts up. Is apparently a game more common in the Northeast.
My understanding (from wikipedia ) : You basically have a bunch of kids and one ball. Try to throw the ball off the wall and get it to bounce. Then there is chaos to try and catch it. If you drop it, you bend over by the wall and someone gets to try and pelt your backside with the ball. If you throw it and someone catches it before it bounces, you get the same treatment. At least that is what I got in a 2 minute skimming.
Same rules here.I grew up playing this just about every day after school (Catholic elementary school in NJ) in the playground/parking lot against the brick wall of the school. We had to wait a while for our bus, and some other kids who walked home would hang around to play before leaving.
I don't know if our rules were standard or anything, but we'd play with a tennis ball and you'd throw the ball against the wall, and anyone could go after it. If you didn't catch it cleanly and dropped it, you had to leave the ball and run as fast as you could to touch the wall before someone else picked up the ball and threw it at you. If you got to the wall first, you were "safe" and play continued. If you got pegged by the ball first, then play stopped and you had to stand up against the wall (facing the wall) and the one who hit you got a free shot at you.
The thrower was really supposed to aim for the butt, but it was common knowledge that you had a decent amount of padding there and it hurt a lot more if you got them in the back of the leg. IIRC our rules were that if the guy against the wall moved to avoid the throw, then everybody else lined up for the chance to peg them one at a time.
I'm sure I'm forgetting some of our rules, but I don't think we did any kind of elimination or anything. Everyone just kept playing until it was time to leave.
Whenever I have a student that does something like finish a test early (and they have no other work to do) I tell them “Just play a solo game of heads-up 7-Up for 5 minutes.”I think 7-up was that “chill” game you played in class when you couldn’t go outside. I think everyone put they head down and held a thumb up and somebody had to go around the room Ana put your thumb down. Idk. It was stupid
i was a scrawny twerp of a kid. one of my prouder 'sports' moments, in middle school, was in a dodgeball game. we were playing with high schoolers, i went to a tiny school. this enormous dude, fired that twangy, nasty smelling, red orbital of death right at me....i focused like never before, and caught that ####er! it about knocked me down. my chest looked like the japanese flag (i'm a soulless ginger, an extra white one). he was out! i was on top of the world, and was always invited to play with the older kids after that.NCCommish said:Well the radical left probably wouldn't claim me but there is a lot to agree with in that paper. As a "game" it is essentially a license to bully, it serves no real purpose. It doesn't teach any of the good lessons sport can teach. It's just a way for the bigger more athletic kids to hit smaller kids in the head with a ball at full speed, that's it.
one learned to cup ones junk.Same rules here.
The best was when some rookie would stand up against the wall with his legs spread like he was about to be frisked by a cop. If you knew what you were doing you could throw the ball so that it would bounce first, go between his legs, then ricochet off the wall for a nutshot.
My kids played something similar at recess, but you were just "out" if you dropped the ball I believe.Just looked up butts up. Is apparently a game more common in the Northeast.
My understanding (from wikipedia ) : You basically have a bunch of kids and one ball. Try to throw the ball off the wall and get it to bounce. Then there is chaos to try and catch it. If you drop it, you bend over by the wall and someone gets to try and pelt your backside with the ball. If you throw it and someone catches it before it bounces, you get the same treatment. At least that is what I got in a 2 minute skimming.
The only additional rules we had was you had to throw the ball to the wall from where you caught it and you couldn't change hands. So if you caught it with your non-throwing hand you had to use that hand to throw it. Also, if someone caught your thrown ball before it hit the wall then the person that threw that ball had to assume the position and the catcher got three throws at him. However, if you missed the catch (touched the ball but did not catch it) you were subject to the punishment.OrtonToOlsen said:Same rules here.
The best was when some rookie would stand up against the wall with his legs spread like he was about to be frisked by a cop. If you knew what you were doing you could throw the ball so that it would bounce first, go between his legs, then ricochet off the wall for a nutshot.
FDAU sounds like fun.The only additional rules we had was you had to throw the ball to the wall from where you caught it and you couldn't change hands. So if you caught it with your non-throwing hand you had to use that hand to throw it. Also, if someone caught your thrown ball before it hit the wall then the person that threw that ball had to assume the position and the catcher got three throws at him. However, if you missed the catch (touched the ball but did not catch it) you were subject to the punishment.
We had the same rule as far as you had to throw with the hand you caught it with, but no rule about catching balls thrown toward the wall. Such a fun game. Was never forced to play it as part of school though. Always with friends who were of the same mind and similar skill-sets.The only additional rules we had was you had to throw the ball to the wall from where you caught it and you couldn't change hands. So if you caught it with your non-throwing hand you had to use that hand to throw it. Also, if someone caught your thrown ball before it hit the wall then the person that threw that ball had to assume the position and the catcher got three throws at him. However, if you missed the catch (touched the ball but did not catch it) you were subject to the punishment.
We played "Pinguard' in gym, which was my personal favorite. Different varieties but my favorite was when everyone had their own pin (plastic bowling pins). You were in as until your pin got knocked down. It was a prelude to playing Risk, forming alliances, only to be betrayed when vulnerable.We also played "Pinball" where you placed soccer balls on top of cones in the four corners.
You could win by either getting all opposing team members out or knocking the balls of the cones.
That was funner than Dodgeball.
Agreed. Most people who have strong opinions on things like this (or most things that start "PC" debates), towards either side, are either neurotic weirdos, man-children, or political hacks. Dodgeball was awesome and fun and I have no issue with my kids playing it when they're old enough, but I'm not really going to cry myself to sleep if they get rid of it either. It's whatever.We had the same rule as far as you had to throw with the hand you caught it with, but no rule about catching balls thrown toward the wall. Such a fun game. Was never forced to play it as part of school though. Always with friends who were of the same mind and similar skill-sets.
The phrase "tool of oppression" really makes my skin crawl but so does the other extreme. I feel like if you have a strong opinion on this either way it's very likely that I will disagree with you. While I don't think dodgeball is the worst thing in the world and would doubt any claims that it would cause long-term damage to someone's psyche - I'm pretty sure we can find something better for kids to do while they are at school. 100%. And I'm not an anti-physical education guy by any stretch.
I don't think that link goes where you think it goes.http://Dodgeball is now officially a crime. Well, if you're an AA 10 year old anyways...
Thanks. Fixed. Not sure what happened.I don't think that link goes where you think it goes.
The world needs ditch diggers too.Well the radical left probably wouldn't claim me but there is a lot to agree with in that paper. As a "game" it is essentially a license to bully, it serves no real purpose. It doesn't teach any of the good lessons sport can teach. It's just a way for the bigger more athletic kids to hit smaller kids in the head with a ball at full speed, that's it.