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[Dynasty] 2014 Draft Prospects (1 Viewer)

It's funny. One devy draft was only 14 players deep (one round). And it's a TE premium league.

Two TE's were taken: ASJ and Lyerla.

And now, those won't even be the top 2 TE's! I'd bet that Ebron and Amaro have a 50/50 shot of going before ASJ. And Lyerla is probably going to be a 5th rounder, or later. Despite his insane athleticism.
I play in a 12 team IDP/PPR with 50 man rosters and college draft eligible players (5 rounds). In our most recent draft in September, 5 TE's were taken.

ASJ - 2.2

Colt Lyeria - 4.7

Jace Amaro - 5.1

Eric Ebron - 5.5

Richard Rogers - 5.11

 
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One player that is quickly becoming one of my favorits is Baylor WR Antwan Goodley. I first noticed him last year playing some RB, WR and returning kicks. He's played WR all season, and he's currently leading the Big 12 in receiving. He's only 5'11, but he goes 225. He has long arms and he's incredibly explosive. In the spring, he ran a 4.39 and jumped 10'9" in the broad jump. If you find the chance today, watch them play Kansas State this afternoon. In my opinion, he's a superior prospect to Kendall Wright and Terrance Williams.
That's a crazy height/weight/speed/explosion combo for a WR let alone a RB.
He actually didn't play that well yesterday with 3 ugly drops. He did have a beatiful TD up the middle of the field. Someone made a gif of it this AM.....notice the nasty stiff arm:

http://www.highlighthub.com/baylors-antwan-goodleys-long-td/

This kid needs to be on the radar.
The closest comparison I can think of for Goodley is Mario Fannin, who played some WR in college, but was mostly a RB. If Goodley can't clean up those hands, I'd like to see him go back to RB.

 
Isaiah Crowell continues to march towards relevance.

Through two games he has 272 yards on 29 carries (11-93-0 and 18-179-1, which included an 84 yard breakaway). Given that he proved he could play on the field as a freshman at Georgia (alas, but not off the field), I think it's fairly safe to ignore reservations normally held for star players from small schools.

I also saw in the news that he shed 15 pounds this past off-season and is now clocking in at 5'11" and 190. I suppose this is good news if he dropped mostly fat. Got to believe that he can add back the 15 pounds in the form of lean muscle and settle in with a LeSean Mccoy type build for the rigors of the NFL.
I think this guy is really underrated right now. Crowell doesn't get mentioned much on here these days in discussions about the best RB prospects, but I think he's right there in the discussion for being a top 5 back in this draft. A good combine and I could see Crowell being a late 2nd/early 3rd round NFL pick.

 
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Big Board: Pac-12 QB showdown highlights weekend of top matchups

by Rob Rang | NFLDraftScout.com

Oct. 18, 2013 4:39 PM ET

Several captivating matchups are on the slate for Week 8 of the college football season, including a rematch of embattled South Carolina pass rusher Jadeveon Clowney and Tennessee left tackle Antonio Richardson, the Nos. 1 and 11 prospects on my Big Board.

The 6-foot-6, 332-pound Richardson held Clowney largely in check last season, allowing one sack in 44 pass attempts, due to a great blend of size, agility and power. Richardson has played well in 2013 and could boost his stock with another impressive showing against Clowney, who remains a blue-chip prospect despite disappointing production this season.

Only the Clowney-Richardson rematch trumps the showdown between star redshirt sophomore quarterbacks Brett Hundley (UCLA) and Kevin Hogan (Stanford) in the Pac-12.

The prime ACC clash between No. 3 Clemson and No. 5 Florida State also features several exciting prospects, including three Tigers in wide receiver Sammy Watkins, quarterback Tajh Boyd and defensive end/outside linebacker Vic Beasley. Left tackle Cameron Erving, the man in charge of protecting the blind side of freshman Heisman candidate Jameis Winston while working against Beasley, is the Seminoles' lone prospect currently in the top 50, checking in at No. 23.

The Big Board isn't a mock draft. There is no attention given to team needs or the projected selection order. It is simply a ranking of the 32 best prospects potentially eligible for the 2014 NFL Draft.

1. Jadeveon Clowney*, DE, South Carolina (6-6, 268): Clowney has failed to live up to our astronomical expectations, but scouts aren't as concerned with his mediocre production as the media seems to be. When on the field, Clowney remains a dominating presence capable of making a game-changing play on each snap of the ball.

2. Teddy Bridgewater*, QB, Louisville (6-3, 220): In an era in which college quarterbacks' numbers are often inflated by short passing and relatively simplistic schemes, Bridgewater's sparkling production is due to Pro Bowl-caliber accuracy. His success (71 percent completion rate with 18 touchdowns against just two interceptions) comes out of a pro-style offense that forces him to make tough throws. Bridgewater's slight frame and level of competition are concerns. He showed toughness and poise with multiple NFL general managers on hand to watch him beat Rutgers on Oct. 10.

3. Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA (6-4, 238): A former running back, Barr exploded onto the Pac-12 scene last year to the tune of 21½ tackles for loss and 13½ sacks. Through five games this season, he has been just as dominant, posting 10 tackles for loss, four sacks and three forced fumbles to earn my top grade among all senior prospects. His ability to make impact plays against the Pac-12's most talented offensive line could play a critical role against Stanford.

4. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M (6-5, 305): Any question about Matthews' ability to hold up at left tackle may have been answered with dominating performances against Arkansas' speedy Chris Smith and Mississippi's powerful Robert Nkemdiche. The son of Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews, Jake proves the cliché true -- the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

5. Marcus Mariota*, QB, Oregon (6-3, 214): In completing a season-high 77.4 percent of his passes against a talented Washington defense in Seattle, Mariota demonstrated great accuracy and poise. Moments after the loss, Huskies head coach Steve Sarkisian assessed the redshirt quarterback as a "top-five pick." Couldn't agree more, coach.

6. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan (6-7, 310): With an incredible combination of size and athletic ability, Lewan has earned comparisons to former Michigan standout Jake Long throughout his career with the Wolverines. Lewan has been the obvious bright spot up front for Michigan, which has struggled with injuries and penalties.

7. Brett Hundley*, QB, UCLA (6-3, 227): Another in the extraordinary redshirt sophomore class of quarterbacks, Hundley has an ideal blend of size, athleticism and arm talent. He's a fluid athlete with an easy throwing motion whose success comes from a pro-style attack, making him an easy projection to the NFL. Hundley is tough, but he'll be tested by Stanford's front seven -- among the stoutest in college football.

8. C.J. Mosley, OLB, Alabama (6-2, 232): While a bit undersized, Mosley might be the best pound-for-pound player in the country. Athletic and instinctive, he is a true three-down linebacker capable of making plays against both the run and pass.

9. Tajh Boyd, QB, Clemson (6-1, 225): Boyd's stout frame, toughness and dual-threat capabilities have earned him comparisons to Russell Wilson and the late Steve McNair. He has shown improved vision and accuracy in the pocket as a senior, but will be facing a fast Florida State defense that is allowing an average of just 149.0 yards a game, second in the country.

10. Sammy Watkins*, WR, Clemson (6-1, 200): Boyd's dual-threat capabilities, leadership and value at the game's most important position make him the top Tiger, but the playmaking Watkins is a close second. A lanky athlete with explosive speed, Watkins is a threat to go the distance on every snap.

11. Antonio Richardson*, OT, Tennessee (6-6, 332): Nicknamed "Tiny," Richardson and his game proved anything but last season at left tackle for the Vols. Boasting an exciting combination of size, athleticism and power, he looks like the second coming of former Dallas Cowboys Pro Bowl tackle Erik Williams. His matchup against Clowney will be closely monitored by every scouting department in the league.

12. Marqise Lee*, WR, Southern Cal (6-0, 195): Lee has been hampered by a knee injury and unsteady play at quarterback this season. A year after scoring 14 touchdowns as part of a Biletnikoff-winning campaign, Lee only has one this season and missed USC's Oct. 12 win over Arizona. The Trojans would love to have their explosive playmaker against Notre Dame.

13. Eric Ebron*, TE, North Carolina (6-4, 245): Ebron doesn't get nearly the national attention of Washington's Austin Seferian-Jenkins or other highly regarded tight ends, but scouts are fascinated with his rare combination of size and speed. The UNC staff was so enamored with Ebron's athleticism and physicality that they lined him up at defensive end at times a year ago. The junior needs polish but is precisely the type of physical mismatch the NFL is looking for in today's tight end.

14. Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo (6-3, 248): With an eye-popping 56 tackles for loss, 18 sacks and 11 forced fumbles already on his résumé entering the 2013 season, rest assured that scouts knew Mack well. The best player outside of BCS schools, he stepped up with dominating efforts against Ohio State and Connecticut this year to establish himself as a legitimate top-20 prospect.

15. Johnny Manziel*, QB, Texas A&M (5-11, 210): After the season scouts will poke holes in Manziel's grade due to less-than-ideal size and the distraction he may prove to be off the field. During the season, however, it is impossible not to simply marvel at his magical ability on the field. Showing the same remarkable elusiveness as a year ago and improved arm strength, Manziel is a first-round pick whenever he elects to leave College Station.

16. Cyrus Kouandjio*, OT, Alabama (6-5, 312): Some questioned the wisdom of moving Barrett Jones from left tackle (where he won the Jacobs Blocking Trophy as the SEC's best lineman) to center in 2012. The reason for the switch was Kouandjio, a physically blessed athlete who some have compared to former Redskins Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels, the No. 3 overall pick out of Alabama in 2000.

17. Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor (6-5, 335): A dominating drive blocker who projects best at guard but spent the 2011 season protecting Robert Griffin III at left tackle, Richardson is massive, powerful and shockingly athletic. Scouts love Richardson's talent but the extended splits in Art Briles' scheme fooled us before with former first-round picks Jason Smith (No. 2 overall in 2009) and Danny Watkins (No. 23 in 2011).

18. Cameron Erving*, OT, Florida State (6-5, 310): Erving played in 13 games as a redshirt freshman defensive tackle, but looked like a natural when he moved to left tackle a season ago. Long, balanced and athletic, he's a hidden factor in Winston's impressive early play. He'll have his toughest matchup of the year against Clemson's Beasley, among the nation's elite speed rushers.

19. Ryan Shazier*, OLB, Ohio State (6-2, 226): Shazier may be 10-15 pounds lighter than scouts would prefer but his instincts, speed and bone-jarring hits make him a fearful defender that offenses must account for on every snap. His athleticism made Shazier equally effective against Wisconsin's power running Sept. 28 (nine tackles, 2½ for loss) and Northwestern's up-tempo passing attack (10 tackles, one for loss) Oct. 5.

20. Cedric Ogbuehi*, OT, Texas A&M (6-5, 300): Overshadowed by all of the talent on the Aggies' roster, Ogbuehi is an exciting prospect in his own right. A standout at right guard a year ago, Ogbuehi (pronounced ah-BOO-hee) stands to make a lot of money if he continues his stellar play at right tackle.

21. Vic Beasley*, OLB, Clemson (6-3, 235): Beasley led Clemson with eight sacks in limited duty as a sophomore and already has nine through six games in 2013. Drawing comparisons to surprise 2012 first-round pick Bruce Irvin (Seattle Seahawks) for his slim frame and explosive burst, Beasley is enjoying a similar leap up draft boards as one of the year's biggest risers thus far.

22. Louis Nix III*, DT, Notre Dame (6-3, 326): Possessing broad shoulders, a thick lower half and surprisingly quick feet, Nix III is a classic run-stuffer with enough burst and determination to threaten the pocket. The junior hasn't been as dominant in 2013 as he was a year ago but remains a standout in a less-than-inspiring crop of defensive tackles.

23. Jason Verrett, CB, TCU (5-10, 182): Verrett lacks the size so en vogue in today's NFL but agility and ball skills never go out of style for cornerbacks. Verrett led the Big 12 with 22 passes defended and six interceptions in 2012. His stellar coverage (six tackles, two passes broken up) against Oklahoma on Oct. 5 made him the Top Prospect of Week 6.

24. Stephon Tuitt*, DL, Notre Dame (6-5, 303): Offseason sports hernia surgery may have played a role in Tuitt weighing 20 pounds more this season than a year ago, and early on the extra weight seemed to be slowing him. He has played much better in the Irish's past three games, however, and is simply too gifted to fall far on draft day, should the junior elect to leave South Bend early.

25. Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford (6-6, 261): A true outside linebacker in Stanford's 3-4 scheme asked to not only rush the passer but also drop into coverage. He recorded two sacks in the Cardinal's win over Washington on Oct, 5 but it was his tipped pass leading to a fourth-quarter interception that was his biggest play of the night.

26. Mike Evans*, WR, Texas A&M (6-5, 225): Like his famous QB, Evans is a redshirt sophomore but he could have quite the decision to make after the season if he continues to dominate the SEC. Evans is averaging an astounding 23.0 yards per catch through six games this season.

27. Bishop Sankey*, RB, Washington (5-10, 203): Leading the country with an average of 149.8 rushing yards per game, Sankey is winning over scouts with his vision, balance and surprising combination of power and speed. He displayed toughness against Stanford's physical defense and big-play ability against Oregon's speed, and is a true three-down back due to excellent hands and awareness in pass protection.

28. HaSean Clinton-Dix*, FS, Alabama (6-1, 208): Death, taxes and a Nick Saban-coached defensive back earning first-round grades from NFL scouts are among the sure things in life. Clinton-Dix has an exciting combination of athleticism and instincts but scouts may have to rely on his previous game tape. The star was suspended indefinitely from the team on Oct. 2, reportedly for accepting a loan from an Alabama assistant strength and conditioning coach.

29. Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU (6-3, 235): While Ziggy Ansah received most of the hype at BYU last season, Van Noy was far and away the more consistent defender, registering an eye-popping 22 tackles for loss, 13 sacks, six forced fumbles, two interceptions and two blocked kicks. Van Noy isn't as physically dominating as his former teammate, but his instincts and agility make him a playmaker.

30. Austin Seferian-Jenkins*, TE, Washington (6-6, 267): His combination of size, body control and soft hands made Seferian-Jenkins an immediate standout each of his first two seasons at Washington. However, an offseason arrest for DUI and a broken pinkie served as an inauspicious start to his junior season, and the Huskies have featured other playmakers thus far in 2013.

31. DaQuan Jones, DT, Penn State (6-3, 333): Jones was the Nittany Lions' most dominant player in a four-overtime, instant-classic victory against Michigan on Oct. 12. Stout but athletic enough to handle duties all over Penn State's defensive line, Jones' strength and quickness are tough to handle.

32. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota (6-6, 311): Penn State's Jones may be the Big Ten's most impressive defensive lineman so far, but Hageman may be its most gifted. The Golden Gopher's length and athleticism make him a fit in 3-4 and 4-3 schemes alike. He flashes dominant ability but has struggled with consistency.

Just missed the cutZach Mettenberger, QB, LSU
Lache Seastrunk*, RB, Baylor
Kevin Hogan*, QB, Stanford
David Yankey, OG, Stanford
Jordan Matthews, WR, South Carolina
Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
Denzel Perryman*, OLB, Miami
Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon
 
Rotoworld:

NFL.com writer Dan Greenspan writes that Washington junior TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins "has been largely invisible in the Huskies' new up-tempo offense."
"Even though he still draws major attention from opposing defenses, a player of his immense physical talents (6-foot-6, 276 pounds) should be able to best any coverage," Greenspan wrote. "Seferian-Jenkins has plenty of quality tape, and his blocking has helped running back Bishop Sankey's great play, but he needed to be the All-America difference-maker he can be to elevate UW up to the same level as Oregon and Stanford." Seferian-Jenkins has collected only 16 receptions for 185 yards and three touchdowns in 2013.

Source: NFL.com
USC junior WR Marqise Lee ranks as one of the Pac-12's most disappointing players, according to NFL.com.
NFL.com writer Dan Greenspan wrote, "With poor playcalling from the now-fired [Lane Kiffen], and with defenses focused on shutting him down, Lee pressed with his opportunities, resulting in dropped passes and mistakes." Lee said earlier this week that he was "good to go" for Saturday's game against Notre Dame after missing the Arizona game due to a "very minor" left knee injury. "If healthy," wrote Greenspan, "he is more than capable of turning it around, especially with the vertical passes offensive coordinator Clay Helton dialed up against Arizona to great success."

Source: NFL.com
Former Oregon TE Colt Lyerla has signed with an agent and will enter the 2014 NFL Draft.
Lyerla, who left the Ducks football program and withdrew from school earlier this month, will be represented by XL Sports. Although talented, Lyerla is going to have to convince a team that his behavioral problems are a thing of the past, and that isn't going to be an easy task. The Portland Tribune obtained police reports that alleged that an apparently drunk Lylera assaulted three men in Eugene in April 2012. The incident had gone previously unreported, though the school was aware of it.

Source: Portland Tribune
NFL.com's Bucky Brooks calls UNC junior Eric Ebron the most explosive TE in college football.
Ebron posted 199 yards and a touchdown on eight catches against Miami on Thursday. His progression since last season is obvious, turning top level flashes into consistency. Ebron obviously has great movement skills at the position, but he is winning in contested situations more often this year.

Source: Bucky Brooks on Twitter
Washington junior TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins "does not seem to have improved as a blocker or route runner" this season, according to NFL.com's Gil Brandt.
"Right now he is teetering toward the end of the first round, possibly into the second, but because of the importance of tight ends he could very easily move up as high as the middle of the first round if he picks up his play," Brandt adds. We think Seferian-Jenkins is one of the better inline tight ends in the country because of his combination of reliable blocking and body control as a receiver. he doesn't possess the same quickness as others, but the junior is still an impressive receiving target.

Source: NFL.com
 
One player that seems to be flying under the radar on these boards is Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech. Leads the Big 12 in receptions and a monster to defend..

People don't seem to be talking about him much and expect that to change sooner then later.
Another monster game for him today. If he comes out, this is going to be a great year for tight ends.

 
One player that seems to be flying under the radar on these boards is Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech. Leads the Big 12 in receptions and a monster to defend..

People don't seem to be talking about him much and expect that to change sooner then later.
Another monster game for him today. If he comes out, this is going to be a great year for tight ends.
The other day he tweeted that he was returning to college in 2014. Of course, that could change.

 
I know it's against crap competition, but David Fluellen has six straight 100+ games and a 6.6 YPC average. Money in the bank every week at the NCAA level.

 
Also, the "bad" Ty Montgomery made an appearance today. Dropped a certain TD on a bomb against UCLA.

Therein lies the problem with him. First round physical ability. Suspect innate receiving talent.

 
Hard to gauge Evans. All he seems to do is run in a straight line and win the jump ball. Gonna take more than that to be a hit in the NFL.

I'd like to see him at the combine to see how he looks moving around and running a variety of routes.

 
Hard to gauge Evans. All he seems to do is run in a straight line and win the jump ball. Gonna take more than that to be a hit in the NFL.

I'd like to see him at the combine to see how he looks moving around and running a variety of routes.
Sounds a lot like Dez Bryant.

 
Hard to gauge Evans. All he seems to do is run in a straight line and win the jump ball. Gonna take more than that to be a hit in the NFL.

I'd like to see him at the combine to see how he looks moving around and running a variety of routes.
Sounds a lot like Dez Bryant.
Dez Bryant returned three punts for TDs in his last ~16 college games. Evans can only dream of having that agility and field vision.

 
Hard to gauge Evans. All he seems to do is run in a straight line and win the jump ball. Gonna take more than that to be a hit in the NFL.

I'd like to see him at the combine to see how he looks moving around and running a variety of routes.
Sounds a lot like Dez Bryant.
Dez Bryant returned three punts for TDs in his last ~16 college games. Evans can only dream of having that agility and field vision.
Being a capable punt returner has no correlation to playing WR.

 
Returning punts requires good agility, short area quickness, and playmaking ability in space. If you're returning punts for your team, there's a pretty good chance that you're the best open field playmaker on the roster. Typically it's a smaller player in that role like Devin Hester, Reggie Bush, Ace Sanders, or Darren Sproles. Occasionally you see a big guy back there. Dez Bryant returned some punts in college (and scored on 14% of them). Vincent Jackson was a record-setting punt returner at Northern Colorado. Rueben Randle returns punts for the Giants.

The fact that those players can function effectively in an extremely demanding quickness/fluidity/elusiveness role reflects their rare overall movement skills. Those traits aren't 100% necessary to be an elite NFL WR, but they're absolutely going to come into play when these guys are running routes and making plays after the catch. The reason why guys like VJax, Demaryius, and Dez dominate isn't just because they're big and strong, but also because they combine those traits with the movement skills of a smaller man. That overall package of skills is almost impossible for NFL corners to stop.

A tall receiver who lacks the wiggle might end up more like Reggie Williams, Jon Baldwin, or Mike Williams. Tall, big-bodied receivers who were too stiff and straight-line in their movement. Those guys were useless in the return game because they lacked the right movement skills, and that's also a big part of the reason why they flopped as professionals. Being big is enough in college. In the NFL, you have to be able to move.

 
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Returning punts requires good agility, short area quickness, and playmaking ability in space. If you're returning punts for your team, there's a pretty good chance that you're the best open field playmaker on the roster. Typically it's a smaller player in that role like Devin Hester, Reggie Bush, Ace Sanders, or Darren Sproles. Occasionally you see a big guy back there. Dez Bryant returned some punts in college (and scored on 14% of them). Vincent Jackson was a record-setting punt returner at Northern Colorado. Rueben Randle returns punts for the Giants.

The fact that those players can function effectively in an extremely demanding quickness/fluidity/elusiveness role reflects their rare overall movement skills. Those traits aren't 100% necessary to be an elite NFL WR, but they're absolutely going to come into play when these guys are running routes and making plays after the catch. The reason why guys like VJax, Demaryius, and Dez dominate isn't just because they're big and strong, but also because they combine those traits with the movement skills of a smaller man. That overall package of skills is almost impossible for NFL corners to stop.

A tall receiver who lacks the wiggle might end up more like Reggie Williams, Jon Baldwin, or Mike Williams. Tall, big-bodied receivers who were too stiff and straight-line in their movement. Those guys were useless in the return game because they lacked the right movement skills, and that's also a big part of the reason why they flopped as professionals. Being big is enough in college. In the NFL, you have to be able to move.
Punt returning is movement skill "with the ball". Route running is movement skill "without the ball". Being good at one doesn't mean you're good at the other. Demaryius Thomas wasn't a good route runner early on in his career. Does that mean he didn't have the movement skill necessary? He also doesn't exhibit much "movement skill" when gaining yards after the catch. He just uses his strength to break tackles and runs straight most of the time. Sounds a lot like Mike Evans.

Vincent Jackson isn't that special after the catch. 4.0 YAC for his career. That's average. He was a "catch and fall" guy in San Diego. In Tampa Bay, he's in better positions to get YAC. 5.5 the last two seasons. He was also pretty stiff with stone hands early on his career. Eventually he learned to run some routes.

 
Punt returning is movement skill "with the ball". Route running is movement skill "without the ball". Being good at one doesn't mean you're good at the other. Demaryius Thomas wasn't a good route runner early on in his career. Does that mean he didn't have the movement skill necessary? He also doesn't exhibit much "movement skill" when gaining yards after the catch. He just uses his strength to break tackles and runs straight most of the time. Sounds a lot like Mike Evans.
Moving "with the ball" and "without the ball" draw upon a lot of the same underlying athletic qualities. If you're elusive and explosive with the ball in your hands, you probably have the raw materials to become a very good route runner.

It's funny that you mention Demaryius Thomas as a comparison for Mike Evans. I always liked Demaryius, but any doubts that I ever might have had about his agility and overall mobility were put to rest when he made this play as a rookie for the Broncos in 2010 (watch the second camera angle):

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b05c82/Thomas-KO-return

That was a "wow" play for me. This is a ~ 6'3" 230 athlete and he effortlessly changes directions like a running back or a 5'8" punt returner. Special stuff. People always try to discredit Demaryius, but he's simply a freak athletic specimen. Built like a monster and absolutely fluid in everything he does. If anything, he's just another guy who proves my point.

The skills needed to be a good punt returner are also extremely useful for being a great WR. The best analogy that I can use is the Slam Dunk contest in the NBA. Are all great dunkers also All-Star caliber players? No. However, many All-Star caliber players are also great dunkers. Like Kobe and Lebron. They aren't great at basketball BECAUSE they're great dunkers, but a lot of the qualities that make them great dunkers (i.e. body control, explosiveness, height, length) also play a prominent role in their overall basketball game (like creating their shot, driving to the hoop, playing defense, etc).

Returning punts is not the same thing as playing receiver. Devin Hester is a great return man and a mediocre receiver. However, there is a lot of overlap with the two roles. All of the skills required to be a great punt returner are also useful for a WR.

This year's WR class is more of the same. Of the top 10 WR prospects, who are the most fluid in terms of movement? I would say Marqise Lee and Odell Beckham. Guess which of the top 10 WR prospects also return punts for their teams? Marqise Lee and Odell Beckham. Based on what I've seen, Mike Evans doesn't deserve to be mentioned with names like Dez Bryant and Demaryius Thomas. He has half of the equation (the frame and the hands), but he's missing a huge piece of the puzzle (the overall mobility).

 
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I'd agree on not putting his name with those two. Evans' movement skill is closer to guys like Marshall, Colston, V-Jackson, and Michael Floyd. That doesn't mean he can't run routes or not, especially if he hasn't had the chance to in college.

Returning punts and being a good punt returner are two different things. Lee has only returned punts this season, and he's not even that good. Lee is too fluid to a fault. He doesn't plant and cut very hard. Beckham is totally different. He's very much like Greg Jennings and Victor Cruz. He can stop and plant on a comeback route as well as anyone. His lower body strength/power has to be insane for the vertical leap he can achieve on a consistent basis. This lower body strength also allows him to plant and cut very sharply. It also helps that he runs a bit bow-legged.

 
Returning punts and being a good punt returner are two different things. Lee has only returned punts this season, and he's not even that good. Lee is too fluid to a fault. He doesn't plant and cut very hard.
He has two kickoff return TDs to his credit:

Freshman KO return TD vs. Washington: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yNRZM7v3uA

Sophomore KO return TD vs. Hawaii: http://youtu.be/ZChvw66oDyg?t=3m14s

Lee reminds me a lot of Dez as a return man. He looks a little straight-linish just like Dez, but it's deceptive.

There are some legitimate question marks with Lee. He's not quite as big as Dez and not as good at high-pointing the ball.

However, agility and open field moves are not a question mark at all. If anything, that's his signature quality. The guy is made out of elastic.

http://youtu.be/ZChvw66oDyg?t=2m12s

 
One player that seems to be flying under the radar on these boards is Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech. Leads the Big 12 in receptions and a monster to defend..

People don't seem to be talking about him much and expect that to change sooner then later.
Another monster game for him today. If he comes out, this is going to be a great year for tight ends.
As the resident WVU fan I can attest to him being the real deal. Not sure he is athletic like TGonzalez or Gates, but more like a Witten or DClark. I see his floor as Brent Celek, though much stronger than him

 
Evans made a few RAC plays where he displayed both agility and some start/stop. Just because he's big doesn't mean he's Jon Baldwin. Looks to be pretty fluid and the fact that he has only played football since his senior year of HS means there is plenty of more upside. Did Calvin Johnson return punts?

 
Evans made a few RAC plays where he displayed both agility and some start/stop. Just because he's big doesn't mean he's Jon Baldwin. Looks to be pretty fluid and the fact that he has only played football since his senior year of HS means there is plenty of more upside. Did Calvin Johnson return punts?
Calvin Johnson did eerything. He was disgusting. The only thing that stopped him was his QB and Tashard Choice

 
Returning punts and being a good punt returner are two different things. Lee has only returned punts this season, and he's not even that good. Lee is too fluid to a fault. He doesn't plant and cut very hard.
He has two kickoff return TDs to his credit:

Freshman KO return TD vs. Washington: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yNRZM7v3uA

Sophomore KO return TD vs. Hawaii: http://youtu.be/ZChvw66oDyg?t=3m14s

Lee reminds me a lot of Dez as a return man. He looks a little straight-linish just like Dez, but it's deceptive.

There are some legitimate question marks with Lee. He's not quite as big as Dez and not as good at high-pointing the ball.

However, agility and open field moves are not a question mark at all. If anything, that's his signature quality. The guy is made out of elastic.

http://youtu.be/ZChvw66oDyg?t=2m12s
You mentioned Punt returns, not Kick returns. So I'm not sure what point you're making in relation to playing WR.

If you're going to compare to a larger player, Lee reminds me more of Josh Gordon than Dez Bryant. Gordon's movement skills are very smooth and fluid like Lee, and much more than Bryant. Which is why Gordon isn't as refined as route runner and he also "waits" for the ball like Lee does. But Gordon gets a pass from me because of his size.

 
So I'm curious. What does everyone consider Marquise Lee's value to be right now in a devy league?

He's relatively sure to be one of the first 2 or 3 picks in any PPR league next year, so how does his value compare to top 10 or 20 WRs today? Or top QBs? Or top RBs?

I'm torn on it - I own him in one league and have a real chance to win it all this year, and he's the guy everyone wants from me.... for obvious reasons.

 
So I'm curious. What does everyone consider Marquise Lee's value to be right now in a devy league?

He's relatively sure to be one of the first 2 or 3 picks in any PPR league next year, so how does his value compare to top 10 or 20 WRs today? Or top QBs? Or top RBs?

I'm torn on it - I own him in one league and have a real chance to win it all this year, and he's the guy everyone wants from me.... for obvious reasons.
I think he's a first round NFL pick, but probably not a top 10 overall pick. He's a supreme athlete though and IMO passes the eyeball test. So for me, he's closer to a can't-miss prospect than the typical first rounder. The only major asterisk being that he probably doesn't have that super elite WR1 ceiling of a Julio/Thomas/Dez. I see him settling in as more of a really good FF WR2 who should at least be a top 15-20 FF WR and could potentially sneak into the back half of top 10 dynasty WRs if it all breaks right for him. He's his own player and no one single comparison will capture what he can do, but at turns he reminds me of Justin Blackmon, Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes, and Percy Harvin. Those are four very different WRs, but they each have qualities that remind me of Lee. He can line up in the slot and terrorize the middle of the field ala Harvin/Blackmon, but he also has the ability to go long ala Jennings/Holmes.

He actually might slide a little bit deeper in rookie drafts than people expect depending on what happens with guys like Gordon, Seastrunk, Evans, and Watkins at the combine/draft. His rookie ADP could be anywhere from 1-5. Add it all up and his market value is probably the #3 rookie pick.

In terms of where I'd take him in dynasty, that's going to depend a bit on my roster. For a generic startup, I tend to put a premium on youth. That means I'm going to roll the dice on Lee ahead of aging stars like Andre, Fitz, and VJax. These are the guys I would definitely take ahead of Lee:

Calvin

Julio

Green

Demaryius

Dez

Blackmon

It starts to become more interesting with these guys and I could see myself being tempted by Lee, but I probably still stick with the veteran:

Harvin

Cobb

Cruz

Crabtree

Gordon

I'd probably stick Marshall in there as well, but he's not going to appeal to every type of roster because of his age.

After those guys, I think it starts to become more of a coin flip with these players:

Torrey

Shorts

Hopkins

Jordy

Wallace

And maybe a few others that I'm forgetting.

I think you can make a decent case that Lee is the best pure talent of that lot, but it's hard to turn down immediately useful production.

Would I take Lee over them? Considering that his dynasty ADP would probably be lower than most of that group, the correct answer is probably that I'd rather have Lee + extras than any one of those individual receivers.

 
So I'm curious. What does everyone consider Marquise Lee's value to be right now in a devy league?

He's relatively sure to be one of the first 2 or 3 picks in any PPR league next year, so how does his value compare to top 10 or 20 WRs today? Or top QBs? Or top RBs?

I'm torn on it - I own him in one league and have a real chance to win it all this year, and he's the guy everyone wants from me.... for obvious reasons.
I like Lee, one could make the argument that Watkins is better but they both have superstar potential. Some are being to question him even with the obvious lack of a real QB (Allen comes to mind). The truth is without a real QB throwing him the ball it's hard to measure his true value. Now there are other intangibles we can look at. With the ball in his hands he looks like an NFL WR once he hits full stride no one can seem to catch him. He tends to drop passes he should have caught (losses focus) but why does he lose his focus. There are certain characteristics that are just hard to gauge him on. If he had a Bridgewater or Boyd throwing him the ball what would his production be?

I took that chance on Allen (because I thought he would have produced more if he had a better QB. I'm taking that same chance with Lee and I think Lee is a better WR than Allen. I'll wait til after the season and the combine to have a clearer picture of him, not that it matters he's already on my team but that doesn't mean I wouldn't trade him.

I traded A. Brown for Lee and I like Brown but I see Lee's potential to be much higher and believes he'll be a better ball player. Brown would have never in my starting lineup unless he became a top 10 player which I don't believe he is but he's close to that 15-20 range. I believe Lee has the potential to be a top 10 player it depends on who drafts him.

Tex

 
So I'm curious. What does everyone consider Marquise Lee's value to be right now in a devy league?

He's relatively sure to be one of the first 2 or 3 picks in any PPR league next year, so how does his value compare to top 10 or 20 WRs today? Or top QBs? Or top RBs?

I'm torn on it - I own him in one league and have a real chance to win it all this year, and he's the guy everyone wants from me.... for obvious reasons.
I think he's a first round NFL pick, but probably not a top 10 overall pick. He's a supreme athlete though and IMO passes the eyeball test. So for me, he's closer to a can't-miss prospect than the typical first rounder. The only major asterisk being that he probably doesn't have that super elite WR1 ceiling of a Julio/Thomas/Dez. I see him settling in as more of a really good FF WR2 who should at least be a top 15-20 FF WR and could potentially sneak into the back half of top 10 dynasty WRs if it all breaks right for him. He's his own player and no one single comparison will capture what he can do, but at turns he reminds me of Justin Blackmon, Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes, and Percy Harvin. Those are four very different WRs, but they each have qualities that remind me of Lee. He can line up in the slot and terrorize the middle of the field ala Harvin/Blackmon, but he also has the ability to go long ala Jennings/Holmes.

He actually might slide a little bit deeper in rookie drafts than people expect depending on what happens with guys like Gordon, Seastrunk, Evans, and Watkins at the combine/draft. His rookie ADP could be anywhere from 1-5. Add it all up and his market value is probably the #3 rookie pick.

In terms of where I'd take him in dynasty, that's going to depend a bit on my roster. For a generic startup, I tend to put a premium on youth. That means I'm going to roll the dice on Lee ahead of aging stars like Andre, Fitz, and VJax. These are the guys I would definitely take ahead of Lee:

Calvin

Julio

Green

Demaryius

Dez

Blackmon

It starts to become more interesting with these guys and I could see myself being tempted by Lee, but I probably still stick with the veteran:

Harvin

Cobb

Cruz

Crabtree

Gordon

I'd probably stick Marshall in there as well, but he's not going to appeal to every type of roster because of his age.

After those guys, I think it starts to become more of a coin flip with these players:

Torrey

Shorts

Hopkins

Jordy

Wallace

And maybe a few others that I'm forgetting.

I think you can make a decent case that Lee is the best pure talent of that lot, but it's hard to turn down immediately useful production.

Would I take Lee over them? Considering that his dynasty ADP would probably be lower than most of that group, the correct answer is probably that I'd rather have Lee + extras than any one of those individual receivers.
Besides Jordy, I agree with this I see Jordy up there with Blackmon (whom I also have) and Harvin, I believe he's very underrated.

But that's my opinion.

Tex

 
Besides Jordy, I agree with this I see Jordy up there with Blackmon (whom I also have) and Harvin, I believe he's very underrated.

But that's my opinion.

Tex
Age is such a huge factor for a lot of dynasty owners that Jordy already looks like damaged goods to a lot of your potential trade partners.

Even if that discount is excessive, the fact that a lot of owners apply it will limit what you can do with Jordy from a roster flexibility standpoint.

So if you start the season 0-6 next year and decide you want to cash him in for some nice rebuilding materials, you're basically SOL.

The younger guys are going to hold their trade value a lot better and trade value is a big factor for me.

For an immediate contender, Jordy might have the edge because of the actual production he can give you over the next 2-4 years.

 
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So I'm curious. What does everyone consider Marquise Lee's value to be right now in a devy league?

He's relatively sure to be one of the first 2 or 3 picks in any PPR league next year, so how does his value compare to top 10 or 20 WRs today? Or top QBs? Or top RBs?

I'm torn on it - I own him in one league and have a real chance to win it all this year, and he's the guy everyone wants from me.... for obvious reasons.
I think he's a first round NFL pick, but probably not a top 10 overall pick. He's a supreme athlete though and IMO passes the eyeball test. So for me, he's closer to a can't-miss prospect than the typical first rounder. The only major asterisk being that he probably doesn't have that super elite WR1 ceiling of a Julio/Thomas/Dez. I see him settling in as more of a really good FF WR2 who should at least be a top 15-20 FF WR and could potentially sneak into the back half of top 10 dynasty WRs if it all breaks right for him. He's his own player and no one single comparison will capture what he can do, but at turns he reminds me of Justin Blackmon, Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes, and Percy Harvin. Those are four very different WRs, but they each have qualities that remind me of Lee. He can line up in the slot and terrorize the middle of the field ala Harvin/Blackmon, but he also has the ability to go long ala Jennings/Holmes.

He actually might slide a little bit deeper in rookie drafts than people expect depending on what happens with guys like Gordon, Seastrunk, Evans, and Watkins at the combine/draft. His rookie ADP could be anywhere from 1-5. Add it all up and his market value is probably the #3 rookie pick.

In terms of where I'd take him in dynasty, that's going to depend a bit on my roster. For a generic startup, I tend to put a premium on youth. That means I'm going to roll the dice on Lee ahead of aging stars like Andre, Fitz, and VJax. These are the guys I would definitely take ahead of Lee:

Calvin

Julio

Green

Demaryius

Dez

Blackmon

It starts to become more interesting with these guys and I could see myself being tempted by Lee, but I probably still stick with the veteran:

Harvin

Cobb

Cruz

Crabtree

Gordon

I'd probably stick Marshall in there as well, but he's not going to appeal to every type of roster because of his age.

After those guys, I think it starts to become more of a coin flip with these players:

Torrey

Shorts

Hopkins

Jordy

Wallace

And maybe a few others that I'm forgetting.

I think you can make a decent case that Lee is the best pure talent of that lot, but it's hard to turn down immediately useful production.

Would I take Lee over them? Considering that his dynasty ADP would probably be lower than most of that group, the correct answer is probably that I'd rather have Lee + extras than any one of those individual receivers.
Besides Jordy, I agree with this I see Jordy up there with Blackmon (whom I also have) and Harvin, I believe he's very underrated.

But that's my opinion.

Tex
Appreciate the opinions.

How about in comparison to the top young QBs in the league - Luck, Newton, RGIII, Wilson etc. In a rookie draft, the top WR almost always goes before the top QB, but how heavily does proven success for a young QB factor in? The QBs have had success, Lee hasn't even been drafted yet, but I can easily see a scenario where IF Lee is a top 10 WR 2 years from now, he'll be more valuable than almost all QBs in fantasy terms, no?

 
Besides Jordy, I agree with this I see Jordy up there with Blackmon (whom I also have) and Harvin, I believe he's very underrated.

But that's my opinion.

Tex
Age is such a huge factor for a lot of dynasty owners that Jordy already looks like damaged goods to a lot of your potential trade partners.

Even if that discount is excessive, the fact that a lot of owners apply it will limit what you can do with Jordy from a roster flexibility standpoint.

So if you start the season 0-6 next year and decide you want to cash him in for some nice rebuilding materials, you're basically SOL.

The younger guys are going to hold their trade value a lot better and trade value is a big factor for me.

For an immediate contender, Jordy might have the edge because of the actual production he can give you over the next 2-4 years.
Agreed and I knew age was/is a factor in some of your rankings. I'm usually a contender with some depth so that definitely plays huge a factor.

 
So I'm curious. What does everyone consider Marquise Lee's value to be right now in a devy league?

He's relatively sure to be one of the first 2 or 3 picks in any PPR league next year, so how does his value compare to top 10 or 20 WRs today? Or top QBs? Or top RBs?

I'm torn on it - I own him in one league and have a real chance to win it all this year, and he's the guy everyone wants from me.... for obvious reasons.
I think he's a first round NFL pick, but probably not a top 10 overall pick. He's a supreme athlete though and IMO passes the eyeball test. So for me, he's closer to a can't-miss prospect than the typical first rounder. The only major asterisk being that he probably doesn't have that super elite WR1 ceiling of a Julio/Thomas/Dez. I see him settling in as more of a really good FF WR2 who should at least be a top 15-20 FF WR and could potentially sneak into the back half of top 10 dynasty WRs if it all breaks right for him. He's his own player and no one single comparison will capture what he can do, but at turns he reminds me of Justin Blackmon, Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes, and Percy Harvin. Those are four very different WRs, but they each have qualities that remind me of Lee. He can line up in the slot and terrorize the middle of the field ala Harvin/Blackmon, but he also has the ability to go long ala Jennings/Holmes.

He actually might slide a little bit deeper in rookie drafts than people expect depending on what happens with guys like Gordon, Seastrunk, Evans, and Watkins at the combine/draft. His rookie ADP could be anywhere from 1-5. Add it all up and his market value is probably the #3 rookie pick.

In terms of where I'd take him in dynasty, that's going to depend a bit on my roster. For a generic startup, I tend to put a premium on youth. That means I'm going to roll the dice on Lee ahead of aging stars like Andre, Fitz, and VJax. These are the guys I would definitely take ahead of Lee:

Calvin

Julio

Green

Demaryius

Dez

Blackmon

It starts to become more interesting with these guys and I could see myself being tempted by Lee, but I probably still stick with the veteran:

Harvin

Cobb

Cruz

Crabtree

Gordon

I'd probably stick Marshall in there as well, but he's not going to appeal to every type of roster because of his age.

After those guys, I think it starts to become more of a coin flip with these players:

Torrey

Shorts

Hopkins

Jordy

Wallace

And maybe a few others that I'm forgetting.

I think you can make a decent case that Lee is the best pure talent of that lot, but it's hard to turn down immediately useful production.

Would I take Lee over them? Considering that his dynasty ADP would probably be lower than most of that group, the correct answer is probably that I'd rather have Lee + extras than any one of those individual receivers.
Besides Jordy, I agree with this I see Jordy up there with Blackmon (whom I also have) and Harvin, I believe he's very underrated.

But that's my opinion.

Tex
Appreciate the opinions.

How about in comparison to the top young QBs in the league - Luck, Newton, RGIII, Wilson etc. In a rookie draft, the top WR almost always goes before the top QB, but how heavily does proven success for a young QB factor in? The QBs have had success, Lee hasn't even been drafted yet, but I can easily see a scenario where IF Lee is a top 10 WR 2 years from now, he'll be more valuable than almost all QBs in fantasy terms, no?
That would largely depend on your scoring system. QB are a premium in my dynasty league. I traded for Luck (Dev draft) and drafted Wilson so WR don't always go before QBs especially considering how the league has changed to more of a passing game around 2005-2006. Brees, Manning, Rodgers have (including the past) put up so many point over the last few years I doubt any WR have out produced them. I saw game in which these guys (QB put up 50 or more points) I don't think I've ever seen a WR put up such numbers.

Now if you already have one of these QBs and truly believe in them, then by all mean grab Lee because I'm a believer. Even with the possibility of some great WR coming out in the next few years I'm looking at grabbing Yeldon, Goodson or Gurley well before I look at the WRs, the next three years are going to be some great athletes at all four positions.

Without knowing your leagues scoring and roster.........I do believe Lee will be in the same conversation with some of the top WRs in the NFL. There's no question he passes the eye-ball test. I liked Watkins a little better than Lee because of how quickly he can hit top speed but during my draft Seastrunk was available and I wasn't passing him up. The owner behind me grab Lee with Watkins still on the board who went next.

If you are high on him them grab him.

Tex

ETA: With the way the league is passing now and more teams are running a committee type backfield WRs are starting to score more than most RBs.

 
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Appreciate the opinions.

How about in comparison to the top young QBs in the league - Luck, Newton, RGIII, Wilson etc. In a rookie draft, the top WR almost always goes before the top QB, but how heavily does proven success for a young QB factor in? The QBs have had success, Lee hasn't even been drafted yet, but I can easily see a scenario where IF Lee is a top 10 WR 2 years from now, he'll be more valuable than almost all QBs in fantasy terms, no?
I think you've got to know your format and what you can get away with.

To use an analogy, when Luck/Blackmon were rookies I think it was pretty clear that Luck was the better overall NFL prospect, but I took Blackmon ahead of him in a startup because I determined that a top 15 WR had more value in my league than a top 5 QB. I made a similar decision in a different league this past offseason when I traded Rodgers/Jennings for Blackmon/Mathews. I did not get the best NFL player in that deal, but I may have gotten the best FF player for my scoring system. In that league, a "good" WR is going to do more for you than a "great" QB.

I have Wilson in a league with an identical format and I would trade him for Lee tomorrow if someone offered it to me. You've got to try to assess the prospect and then weigh the ppg advantage he'll give you over the advantage of the veteran QB. If you like the prospect enough and you're in a league where you can replace your starting QB without too much trouble, I say fire away. In a QB-heavy league, it becomes a very different problem.

To give you a counterpoint, I did my first dynasty startup draft in 2003. The format is very QB heavy. In fact, passing yards/TDs count the same as rushing yards/TDs. We also have a 5 point bonus for 300+ yard games (and 100+ yard rushing/receiving). The end result is that a player like Rodgers or Manning can quite easily score 55-70 points for you in a week compared to 20-30 for a big game at RB/WR. In that format, Manning is a GOD.

So I'm sitting on the clock in the early 2nd round after picking Deuce McAllister at 1.04. Peyton is still out there, but damnit I need another RB to fill out my lineup and this William Green kid was looking pretty good in the 2nd half of last season, so I take Willie and forget about it.

OOOOOOOooooooooooooofffffffffffffffffffffffffff.

That was an unbelievably bad decision. It's got many of the hallmarks of a horrible dynasty pick. Firstly, putting too much emphasis on positional scarcity and immediate roster needs. But primarily, gross ignorance to the realities of the league's scoring system. In that league, Peyton should've been the 1.01 pick EASY. Even over Tomlinson.

Fast forward 10 years in that league and I traded Percy Harvin AND the 1.04 rookie pick to move up a whopping 2 spots in the draft so I could take Andrew Luck. Why is he so valuable in that league? Because the format dictates that a good QB is probably worth two good players at any other position. Maybe more when you consider the longevity.

That was a really long-winded way of saying that I can't possibly answer your question because it's going to depend so much on your scoring/lineup requirements.

In a fairly typical PPR league where QBs are devalued and really good WRs are hard to get, I would at least consider trading any QB for Lee. More realistically, I would probably trade any non top 5 QB for him, knowing that I can always reload with a Romo/Ryan/Wilson for relatively cheap.

 
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Has anyone caught much of Marion Grice out of Arizona State? Thoughts about him in the NFL?
Kid's a legit sleeper imo. Has a nice NFL skill set, and is a phenomenal pass catcher out of the backfield. Only issue is he's got a pretty thin body, he's built more like a WR than a RB. I'm not big on the combine at all, but I think it'll be important for him. If he can weigh in at 210-215lbs and run well enough I'd like his chances of making it as an NFL RB quite a bit. Worst case scenario I think he makes it on an NFL roster as a WR.

 
Fresno State redshirt sophomore WR Davante Adams hauled in eight catches for 221 yards and four touchdowns in the school's 38-14 win over UNLV.
Adams has been on fire over the last two weeks, adding this total to his 16 reception, 185 yards, three touchdown line against Idaho. He is draft-eligible, and it wouldn't be surprising to see Adams declare since he will be without Derek Carr next season.
 
27. Mike Evans*, WR, Texas A&M (6-5, 225): Like his famous quarterback, Johnny Manziel, Evans is a redshirt sophomore but he could have quite the decision to make after the season if he continues to star in the SEC. Few players dominate Alabama but that is precisely what Evans did Sept. 14, hauling in seven passes for 279 yards and a 95-yard touchdown.

Is he really this good or is he just bigger then everyone else and it won't translate in the NFL?
I just don't see a WR when I look at him. He is huge and has some speed but he looks like a TE. There's been talk that NFL teams could see him as a move TE too... the next Aaron Hernandez maybe?

He has great hands, over powers defenders, and has surprising speed for his size. I think he has some great attributes that will translate into the NFL, I'm just curious how NFL teams will see him.
Trying to get a stronger read on Evans now that he's climbing up all the mock drafts. Just watched a couple of his games on YouTube.

A few things that stand out to me:

- Obviously he's a big target. Good at shielding defenders and winning contested catches.

- He's got some mobility. He gets off the line reasonably fast. He has a little bit of shake on his vertical routes.

- He's not really an agile player though. When he gets into open space, he's not a threat to make anyone miss.

- His suddenness is just average. He's not a total slug, but he's not going to snap off routes like Michael Crabtree or Rueben Randle.

- His speed looks maybe slightly above average to average. Again, not slow, but certainly not a burner.

He actually reminds me of Justin Hunter a little bit in the sense that he looks best when streaking downfield on a fly route or a post. When he's asked to run more challenging routes or operate in tight spaces, he becomes a little less impressive. He's not as nimble as tall NFL guys like Fitzgerald or Thomas. VJax is a more apt comparison, but I give Jackson the edge in terms of agility and overall mobility.

I don't HATE his game and none of my rankings are set in stone at this point, but I'm going to tentatively say he's an overrated prospect. I've seen him rated as a potential top 10-15 overall draft pick and to me he's not worth that kind of investment. I'd take Lee and Watkins ahead of him. Maybe even Allen Robinson and Donte Moncrief. Picking for a rookie draft today, he'd probably be no better than my 5th player. I'll keep watching him throughout the season and postseason, but for now I'm a little bit of a skeptic.

 
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Nice thread.

Just got done watching some Evans, Watkins, and Lee tape. Evans looks like a less explosive slower Vincent Jackson. Watkins looks more like an NFL WR than Evans. Strong hands tough receiver. Watkins almost looks like a rb when he's running in traffic. Marqise Lee on the other hand jumps off the screen at me. He looks like Reggie Wayne. I'm not sure he has Wayne's hands but that's who he reminds me of. At this point I would like to watch more on him and read up more but I would take Lee in front of Evans and Watkins.

Lee>>>>>Watkins>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Evans.

 
27. Mike Evans*, WR, Texas A&M (6-5, 225): Like his famous quarterback, Johnny Manziel, Evans is a redshirt sophomore but he could have quite the decision to make after the season if he continues to star in the SEC. Few players dominate Alabama but that is precisely what Evans did Sept. 14, hauling in seven passes for 279 yards and a 95-yard touchdown.

Is he really this good or is he just bigger then everyone else and it won't translate in the NFL?
I just don't see a WR when I look at him. He is huge and has some speed but he looks like a TE. There's been talk that NFL teams could see him as a move TE too... the next Aaron Hernandez maybe?

He has great hands, over powers defenders, and has surprising speed for his size. I think he has some great attributes that will translate into the NFL, I'm just curious how NFL teams will see him.
Trying to get a stronger read on Evans now that he's climbing up all the mock drafts. Just watched a couple of his games on YouTube.

A few things that stand out to me:

- Obviously he's a big target. Good at shielding defenders and winning contested catches.

- He's got some mobility. He gets off the line reasonably fast. He has a little bit of shake on his vertical routes.

- He's not really an agile player though. When he gets into open space, he's not a threat to make anyone miss.

- His suddenness is just average. He's not a total slug, but he's not going to snap off routes like Michael Crabtree or Rueben Randle.

- His speed looks maybe slightly above average to average. Again, not slow, but certainly not a burner.

He actually reminds me of Justin Hunter a little bit in the sense that he looks best when streaking downfield on a fly route or a post. When he's asked to run more challenging routes or operate in tight spaces, he becomes a little less impressive. He's not as nimble as tall NFL guys like Fitzgerald or Thomas. VJax is a more apt comparison, but I give Jackson the edge in terms of agility and overall mobility.

I don't HATE his game and none of my rankings are set in stone at this point, but I'm going to tentatively say he's an overrated prospect. I've seen him rated as a potential top 10-15 overall draft pick and to me he's not worth that kind of investment. I'd take Lee and Watkins ahead of him. Maybe even Allen Robinson and Donte Moncrief. Picking for a rookie draft today, he'd probably be no better than my 5th player. I'll keep watching him throughout the season and postseason, but for now I'm a little bit of a skeptic.
Great post, thanks! Any initial thoughts about the top 5 draft eligible rb's?

 
Great post, thanks! Any initial thoughts about the top 5 draft eligible rb's?
Right now I've got Seastrunk as the #1 guy there. Fairly high on him. The production is beyond reproach and he looks the part from an athletic standpoint. Compact, explosive, and fast. He's got good quickness and he can make cuts that few backs can make. As far as weaknesses go, despite being a solid guy he doesn't run with a great deal of power or break many tackles with strength. He's a pure speed/finesse player. I think that's fine for today's NFL. I'd stop short of calling him a slam dunk lock, but there's enough here that I'd feel pretty good about taking him with a top 3 rookie pick in a PPR league.

I've tentatively got Gordon as the #2 back. He's different style of player. A little bit taller and leaner. He's got some quickness, but he's more of a glider compared to the jitterbug Seastrunk. As with Seastrunk, there are going to be question marks about whether or not his production has been inflated by his college scheme. I think the answer is obviously yes, but that doesn't mean he isn't a good player. He's got more power than you might think looking at his listed dimensions and his strides are really deadly. He chews up ground in a hurry and is hard to catch from behind. Personally, I'm a little more comfortable trusting the compact slasher types like Seastrunk compared to the speed backs like Gordon. He's probably not going to be a must-draft player for me, but on the other hand I don't hate his game and will probably rank wherever his NFL draft position dictates, which will be pretty high.

I think there might be a little bit of a dropoff after those two. My next group is pretty fluid, but I've tentatively got Jeremy Hill, Bishop Sankey, Devonta Freeman, and Michael Dyer in the next tier. I've said quite a bit about most of those guys already in this thread, so I'll keep it pretty brief:

Jeremy Hill - An old-fashioned power back. Doesn't have that "wow" kind of explosiveness, but he's compact and strong with good feet. Severe character red flags could limit his draft stock and interfere with his pro potential. If he stays focused, I don't see why he can't be a solid mid-level NFL starter.

Bishop Sankey - Good production. Good combination of size and quick feet. Questionable athletic ability. The combine will be important for him.

Devonta Freeman - A north-south power runner with the right kind of frame for the NFL. His game lacks flash and he's not the most elusive guy, so his ceiling probably isn't enormous, but he should be a serviceable pro back out of the middle rounds of the NFL draft (3rd-4th IMO).

Michael Dyer - Probably the biggest wild card in the RB class. Had he been able to go pro after his first two years at Auburn, he might have been a 1st round pick. His career has stalled out a little bit since then and he's not getting enough carries this season to really show what he's about. All of that points to a big drop in the draft if he decides to declare, but at some point the talent will win out and someone will take a chance on him. He's a bit like Freeman in style. More of a downhill north-south runner than a juker. Not really a make-you-miss kind of guy. He's faster than Freeman though and has a pretty rare combination of bulk and sheer speed. I've compared him to Bryce Brown and Christine Michael because, despite the rocky road he has taken, at the end of the day he's probably just too talented not to become some kind of a factor in the NFL. He's never going to be a great receiver and his game has some limitations, but he'll make it work.

After those guys, I also think Ameer Abdullah is a pretty good back and Ka'Deem Carey has a chance to be a fairly high pick.

Overall though, if I were forced to draft rookies tomorrow I would probably have Seastrunk as a top 2-3 pick and Gordon as a top 5 pick with the rest of these guys as clear second tier prospects. I think this draft is a little stronger at WR than RB. There could be 5 first round WRs when all is said and done. Probably only 1-2 RBs.

 
It might be to early to tell but how does this FF draft class compare to the draft classes of the past 3-4 years?

 

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