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You'll never catch that last 10 to 25% of cats who witness their cousins being trapped. You'll never match their patience, determination and cunning if you even bother to go back and try to manually trap them which I doubt you will. You'll go on to tell people you helped a cat colony, and other people will admire you for being so enlightened, while the SPCA workers in that county deal with the real impact of your actions.
That's a great picture of Tripod and Mamacat. Great story too. As for Fuzzy, he knew a good thing when he saw it.
You make a solid good argument but one thing I'm missing it how you plan on humanely catching all the ferals to euthanize when you can't catch them all to neuter. Sure you'll have less cats b/c your euthanizing the one's you catch, but you'll still have the same generations with the same number of new cats in each generation. The one's you catch obviously with TNR obviously wouldn't be contributing to any new numbers.So $500 for 50 cats this year, but you know all the cats won't be trapped, so they'll continue to breed, and other ferals will be introduced, so this will need to be a yearly effort. Forever. Then consider that this colony will certainly expand into areas where they aren't wanted, and there will be people not as humane as you who strongly object to the cats' presence. It's a simple equation of biology and math that doesn't need much explanation, and sooner or later it leads to mass euthanasia of cats that have invaded an area. It sucks, and honestly it makes me sick to think of all the animals that are euthanized every year, and it leads me to the conclusion that feral colonies need to be aggressively removed rather than merely controlled, as early as possible. Rodent control is a weak argument because surely the monetary cost to an exterminator is much less than the cost of these TNR programs over time, and the cost borne to the cats in the form of disease, suffering and inevitably being euthanized.In a nutshell...Let's try to place generation A in loving homes now, or failing that (because they're feral after all), humanely euthanize them, because generations B, C, D, etc. will be even less adoptable, and their numbers exponentially greater. Let's kill as few animals as possible.I'm sure that would have been easier. I am a rookie fundraiser. I didn't know we didn't have enough funding to do 50 cats until yesterday morning, and there is a good possibility there are a few more than 50. For some reason one of the organizations doing the funding thought there were 25 to 30 cats, but I have always said 50+, and so has the other person who has corresponded with them. Now they realize the 50 number is real. Anyway, I tried to make some website that had a donate button in it, but when I clicked on the the button it showed all of my paypal content.I tried to do it over, and again the same thing happened. I got frustrated, and just decided to do it this way.Strangely, I started getting a quote of the day a week ago emailed to me. I don't know if someone signed me up for it or what, but there is one I got last week that I really like, and I'd like share it as a part of my gratitude to those who have showed kindness to me and to these ferals:
“Let us be grateful to people who make us happy, they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom.”― Marcel Proust
Thanks for being my gardeners.
I share your love of animals and admire your efforts here, but I simply disagree that this is an effective and humane method.
Don't you go confusing them with logic!!You make a solid good argument but one thing I'm missing it how you plan on humanely catching all the ferals to euthanize when you can't catch them all to neuter. Sure you'll have less cats b/c your euthanizing the one's you catch, but you'll still have the same generations with the same number of new cats in each generation. The one's you catch obviously with TNR obviously wouldn't be contributing to any new numbers.So $500 for 50 cats this year, but you know all the cats won't be trapped, so they'll continue to breed, and other ferals will be introduced, so this will need to be a yearly effort. Forever. Then consider that this colony will certainly expand into areas where they aren't wanted, and there will be people not as humane as you who strongly object to the cats' presence. It's a simple equation of biology and math that doesn't need much explanation, and sooner or later it leads to mass euthanasia of cats that have invaded an area. It sucks, and honestly it makes me sick to think of all the animals that are euthanized every year, and it leads me to the conclusion that feral colonies need to be aggressively removed rather than merely controlled, as early as possible. Rodent control is a weak argument because surely the monetary cost to an exterminator is much less than the cost of these TNR programs over time, and the cost borne to the cats in the form of disease, suffering and inevitably being euthanized.In a nutshell...Let's try to place generation A in loving homes now, or failing that (because they're feral after all), humanely euthanize them, because generations B, C, D, etc. will be even less adoptable, and their numbers exponentially greater. Let's kill as few animals as possible.I'm sure that would have been easier. I am a rookie fundraiser. I didn't know we didn't have enough funding to do 50 cats until yesterday morning, and there is a good possibility there are a few more than 50. For some reason one of the organizations doing the funding thought there were 25 to 30 cats, but I have always said 50+, and so has the other person who has corresponded with them. Now they realize the 50 number is real. Anyway, I tried to make some website that had a donate button in it, but when I clicked on the the button it showed all of my paypal content.
“Let us be grateful to people who make us happy, they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom.”― Marcel Proust
Thanks for being my gardeners.
I share your love of animals and admire your efforts here, but I simply disagree that this is an effective and humane method.
Here's a theory, if say you can only catch 75% and you euthanize those. Now all the the cats that remain are un-neutered and when one of those male cats wants to party and he makes his choice of partners, that's some guaranteed baby making. Now if instead you had released back in the colony those 75% that you caught which are now all neutered, when one of those remaining un-neutered male cats goes to make his choice, the odds he picks an neutered female are greater than him picking an un-neutered female b/c there's a greater number of them thus less babies being made. Whether that neutered female would even accept him I don't know for certain.
If she uses even half the patience that she has shown with you, she will catch any cat that may dodge the traps.
Great posting. Donation happily sent. Best wishes to the Simey and The Cats (I think I finally found my new bands name)
she's not asking for opinions, she's asking for donations. If people left don't wanna donate that's cool but there's no reason to post arguments against what shes doing.
You're allowed your opinion but don't be an ####### while trampling all over her effort. This is the sort of thread that's not really asking for discussion about the merits. If you disagree with the efficacy of TNR start your own thread but first I'd ask you do a little research instead of having a biased and uniformed opinion.
When did she beg? She isn't even the one who bumped the thread today. Why would she even get any heat in the kitchen? All she did was ask if anyone wanted to donate to a cause she is passionate about.
She seemed to handle it quite well, up to and including the part where someone (without any cause) attacked her personally and questioned her motives. (Not you, as you confirmed she had good intentions. Not all were so gracious.)
I assume this was meant to be funny... which it isn't. Otherwise, what a ####.McGarnicle said:simey said:
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You must have selective vision since there are a lot of people in here that don't have a cat avatar that think it's a good cause, including myself.
I remember when you hit and killed an owl with your car, and it was stuck in your car grill or something like that. You took pictures of it, and then went to an owl website full of owl lovers and purposely antagonized them, and you thought it was funny. You have a mean side to you, dude.
Impressive notebook.
It's life... nobody's getting out alive. Let's shake loose a bit and have some fun with it. Yes some of us think the notion of capturing, spaying, then re-releasing feral cats is a bit silly. However I don't see anyone attacking simey over it... just making jokes about it... just like everything else on this forum. 
I know you didn't hit the owl on purpose, but you loved the fact you were upsetting the people at the owl site. You kept reporting back in the FFA about how upset you were making them, and you made fun of them, and you went back for more. The thought it was funny. I thought it was mean.Impressive notebook.
1) Hitting the owl was complete and total accident. Not sure how you could intentionally hit a bird with a moving vehicle
2) I didn't antagonize them... I was asking for assistance in identifying it as it was somewhat mangled.
I think people take themselves too seriously sometimes.
I think were being generous in your assumption.I assume this was meant to be funny... which it isn't. Otherwise, what a ####.McGarnicle said:simey said:
Porkchop Express said:
The pruning of
That's awesome
