BTW, as an update, after lots of soul searching, I've decide Raptor Bronco is kind of white trash/neck tat/Affliction shirt for me.
And Bronco still better than Jeep.
Going for a Bronco WIldtrak. Just looking for the right one. Saw two in town this week and they were awesome.
Jeeps are cool, hold their value for sure. I've been reading about serious reliability issues for the Bronco, which is unfortunate but probably expected for a new platform.
Don't rule out a 4Runner. Almost as capable as either of those. Much more comfortable ride for the 99% of time you aren't on a trail, and much more reliable than either. Can't go topless though.
Didn't know Jeeps hold their value THAT well. As well as Toyota? Let's see it.
Reliability for a new FORD Bronco can't be good. I'd bet money on that without ever looking it up. I have a post in that thread about being out of your mind if you buy the first year model. Or just having funny money, which, well good for you!
4Runner blows doors on all of them, all things considered, and it's not even close.
BTW, as an update, after lots of soul searching, I've decide Raptor Bronco is kind of white trash/neck tat/Affliction shirt for me.
And Bronco still better than Jeep.
Going for a Bronco WIldtrak. Just looking for the right one. Saw two in town this week and they were awesome.
They're great and put out something like 470hp, but they're $90k+. For a Jeep. That's at at minimum a soft pass.FWIW, my best friend has a Jeep 392 something and loves it. I was in it a couple of months ago and was impressed. He can drive anything he wants and chose that.
There he is! Slow to the bat signal, but still eventually out there fighting crime.Sorry I'm not here much anymore.
If you're using it around town and light off road work, I'd consider the Bronco as it's much bigger (nearly 1k lbs and several inches larger than the rubicon)... its a bit of a pig with IFS which means better on road manners but notably worse in technical Offroad sections.
If you're looking for the top technical off road rig and are willing to give up a bit in creature comforts... the Jeep Rubicon is still the undisputed king.
Seems like a great and fun choice. You got pictures to share of this beast or did I miss that earlier?I got a Bronco Wildtrak. It's absolutely stunning, and a blast. Picked it up yesterday afternoon, took the soft top down, and cruised around running errands/car pooling middle schoolers/etc. So fun. The Area 51 color is absolutely gorgeous.
Sorry [icon], Bronco >>>>>>> Jeep.
Seems like a great and fun choice. You got pictures to share of this beast or did I miss that earlier?I got a Bronco Wildtrak. It's absolutely stunning, and a blast. Picked it up yesterday afternoon, took the soft top down, and cruised around running errands/car pooling middle schoolers/etc. So fun. The Area 51 color is absolutely gorgeous.
Sorry [icon], Bronco >>>>>>> Jeep.
I got a Bronco Wildtrak. It's absolutely stunning, and a blast. Picked it up yesterday afternoon, took the soft top down, and cruised around running errands/car pooling middle schoolers/etc. So fun. The Area 51 color is absolutely gorgeous.
Sorry [icon], Bronco >>>>>>> Jeep.
Joe doesn’t let us post pictures here I thought ?Seems like a great and fun choice. You got pictures to share of this beast or did I miss that earlier?I got a Bronco Wildtrak. It's absolutely stunning, and a blast. Picked it up yesterday afternoon, took the soft top down, and cruised around running errands/car pooling middle schoolers/etc. So fun. The Area 51 color is absolutely gorgeous.
Sorry [icon], Bronco >>>>>>> Jeep.
Amen. So much fun. My brothers in law are so jealous.I got a Bronco Wildtrak. It's absolutely stunning, and a blast. Picked it up yesterday afternoon, took the soft top down, and cruised around running errands/car pooling middle schoolers/etc. So fun. The Area 51 color is absolutely gorgeous.
Sorry [icon], Bronco >>>>>>> Jeep.
Congrats !
Best way to describe the Bronco in one word - fun.
I‘m about 6 months in and it still brings a smile to my face every time I drive it. Driving it on the beach and surf casting for striped Bass just adds another level of fun.
People linking imgur and other pics all the time.Joe doesn’t let us post pictures here I thought ?Seems like a great and fun choice. You got pictures to share of this beast or did I miss that earlier?I got a Bronco Wildtrak. It's absolutely stunning, and a blast. Picked it up yesterday afternoon, took the soft top down, and cruised around running errands/car pooling middle schoolers/etc. So fun. The Area 51 color is absolutely gorgeous.
Sorry [icon], Bronco >>>>>>> Jeep.
Jeeps are cool, hold their value for sure. I've been reading about serious reliability issues for the Bronco, which is unfortunate but probably expected for a new platform.
Don't rule out a 4Runner. Almost as capable as either of those. Much more comfortable ride for the 99% of time you aren't on a trail, and much more reliable than either. Can't go topless though.
Didn't know Jeeps hold their value THAT well. As well as Toyota? Let's see it.
Reliability for a new FORD Bronco can't be good. I'd bet money on that without ever looking it up. I have a post in that thread about being out of your mind if you buy the first year model. Or just having funny money, which, well good for you!
4Runner blows doors on all of them, all things considered, and it's not even close.
If you're looking for a practical grocery getter with mild to moderate trail capability, and hate open air experience.... yes the 4 Runner is the play.
However, a 4 Runner requires significant expensive suspension and axle upgrades to have off road capability / durability that's anywhere close to a Jeep... and it requires a sawzall and utter disregard for resale value to enjoy the open air experience.
Jeeps are cool, hold their value for sure. I've been reading about serious reliability issues for the Bronco, which is unfortunate but probably expected for a new platform.
Don't rule out a 4Runner. Almost as capable as either of those. Much more comfortable ride for the 99% of time you aren't on a trail, and much more reliable than either. Can't go topless though.
Didn't know Jeeps hold their value THAT well. As well as Toyota? Let's see it.
Reliability for a new FORD Bronco can't be good. I'd bet money on that without ever looking it up. I have a post in that thread about being out of your mind if you buy the first year model. Or just having funny money, which, well good for you!
4Runner blows doors on all of them, all things considered, and it's not even close.
If you're looking for a practical grocery getter with mild to moderate trail capability, and hate open air experience.... yes the 4 Runner is the play.
However, a 4 Runner requires significant expensive suspension and axle upgrades to have off road capability / durability that's anywhere close to a Jeep... and it requires a sawzall and utter disregard for resale value to enjoy the open air experience.
A 4-Runner is a "grocery-getter"? LMAO. A stock Jeep is no different. Most of these vehicles will see an occasional front yard or dirt road. This isn't the Baja 1000.
I've had and enjoyed both vehicles, and a Landcruiser (all at different times). Three jeeps actually (CJ-5, CJ-7, Wrangler). Rolled the CJ-5 and without a welded full cage roll bar welded into the frame, probably wouldn't be here. I love Jeeps. But actually my Landcruiser was the best of both. Curious what your resale argument is. There's good reason Toyotas hold it down. I don't know how you argue against or even begin to think it's not relevant.
I mean, are you talking competition type stuff, where they beef up their rig and see who doesn't roll off some rock display after 24 beers, by gunning it to the top of a hill, Billy?
Is this Jeep Survivor we're talking about? Because a Tundra, Tacoma or 4-Runner will get through 99% of any mountain/snow terrain, for anybody with a brain, no problem. And they last longer, no question.
I don't think there's any doubt a Jeep is more capable than anything else on the road, especially a Rubicon package. That being said, a stock 4Runner can handle 99% of what most people want to do - handle inclement weather and light to moderate trails. Especially here on the East coast, there really aren't that many opprotunities to get into serious off roading. In the NC area, there's only a couple trails I'm aware of (at Uwharrie) where anything more than a simple lift and 285 + are reccomended. That being said, I don't think it would be reccomended anyone take any stock vehicke up Daniel except maybe a Rubicon...but is that really stock, or a Jeep with factory installed upgrades?Jeeps are cool, hold their value for sure. I've been reading about serious reliability issues for the Bronco, which is unfortunate but probably expected for a new platform.
Don't rule out a 4Runner. Almost as capable as either of those. Much more comfortable ride for the 99% of time you aren't on a trail, and much more reliable than either. Can't go topless though.
Didn't know Jeeps hold their value THAT well. As well as Toyota? Let's see it.
Reliability for a new FORD Bronco can't be good. I'd bet money on that without ever looking it up. I have a post in that thread about being out of your mind if you buy the first year model. Or just having funny money, which, well good for you!
4Runner blows doors on all of them, all things considered, and it's not even close.
If you're looking for a practical grocery getter with mild to moderate trail capability, and hate open air experience.... yes the 4 Runner is the play.
However, a 4 Runner requires significant expensive suspension and axle upgrades to have off road capability / durability that's anywhere close to a Jeep... and it requires a sawzall and utter disregard for resale value to enjoy the open air experience.
A 4-Runner is a "grocery-getter"? LMAO. A stock Jeep is no different. Most of these vehicles will see an occasional front yard or dirt road. This isn't the Baja 1000.
I've had and enjoyed both vehicles, and a Landcruiser (all at different times). Three jeeps actually (CJ-5, CJ-7, Wrangler). Rolled the CJ-5 and without a welded full cage roll bar welded into the frame, probably wouldn't be here. I love Jeeps. But actually my Landcruiser was the best of both. Curious what your resale argument is. There's good reason Toyotas hold it down. I don't know how you argue against or even begin to think it's not relevant.
I mean, are you talking competition type stuff, where they beef up their rig and see who doesn't roll off some rock display after 24 beers, by gunning it to the top of a hill, Billy?
Is this Jeep Survivor we're talking about? Because a Tundra, Tacoma or 4-Runner will get through 99% of any mountain/snow terrain, for anybody with a brain, no problem. And they last longer, no question.
For starters a 4 runner is a IFS front end that is notoriously fragile.
I founded and am on the board for one of the country's largest Offroad clubs, and we have dozens of Toyota trucks and 4 runners.
Step 1 for anyone looking to wheel an IFS Toyota seriously is to literally cut out the entire front suspension, and weld in a solid front axle like the one a Jeep comes with stock.
Now if you're saying that doesn't apply to you because you're not doing anything serious, just around town and some dirt roads, then that's the "grocery getter" term in the Offroad world that I'm referring to. Like I said, they can handle mild to moderate Offroad work in stock (or beefed up IFS) form... but that's it until you cut out the front end.
You can take a Rubicon a LOT further on the capability spectrum with a LOT fewer modifications
I don't think there's any doubt a Jeep is more capable than anything else on the road, especially a Rubicon package. That being said, a stock 4Runner can handle 99% of what most people want to do - handle inclement weather and light to moderate trails. Especially here on the East coast, there really aren't that many opprotunities to get into serious off roading. In the NC area, there's only a couple trails I'm aware of (at Uwharrie) where anything more than a simple lift and 285 + are reccomended. That being said, I don't think it would be reccomended anyone take any stock vehicke up Daniel except maybe a Rubicon...but is that really stock, or a Jeep with factory installed upgrades?Jeeps are cool, hold their value for sure. I've been reading about serious reliability issues for the Bronco, which is unfortunate but probably expected for a new platform.
Don't rule out a 4Runner. Almost as capable as either of those. Much more comfortable ride for the 99% of time you aren't on a trail, and much more reliable than either. Can't go topless though.
Didn't know Jeeps hold their value THAT well. As well as Toyota? Let's see it.
Reliability for a new FORD Bronco can't be good. I'd bet money on that without ever looking it up. I have a post in that thread about being out of your mind if you buy the first year model. Or just having funny money, which, well good for you!
4Runner blows doors on all of them, all things considered, and it's not even close.
If you're looking for a practical grocery getter with mild to moderate trail capability, and hate open air experience.... yes the 4 Runner is the play.
However, a 4 Runner requires significant expensive suspension and axle upgrades to have off road capability / durability that's anywhere close to a Jeep... and it requires a sawzall and utter disregard for resale value to enjoy the open air experience.
A 4-Runner is a "grocery-getter"? LMAO. A stock Jeep is no different. Most of these vehicles will see an occasional front yard or dirt road. This isn't the Baja 1000.
I've had and enjoyed both vehicles, and a Landcruiser (all at different times). Three jeeps actually (CJ-5, CJ-7, Wrangler). Rolled the CJ-5 and without a welded full cage roll bar welded into the frame, probably wouldn't be here. I love Jeeps. But actually my Landcruiser was the best of both. Curious what your resale argument is. There's good reason Toyotas hold it down. I don't know how you argue against or even begin to think it's not relevant.
I mean, are you talking competition type stuff, where they beef up their rig and see who doesn't roll off some rock display after 24 beers, by gunning it to the top of a hill, Billy?
Is this Jeep Survivor we're talking about? Because a Tundra, Tacoma or 4-Runner will get through 99% of any mountain/snow terrain, for anybody with a brain, no problem. And they last longer, no question.
For starters a 4 runner is a IFS front end that is notoriously fragile.
I founded and am on the board for one of the country's largest Offroad clubs, and we have dozens of Toyota trucks and 4 runners.
Step 1 for anyone looking to wheel an IFS Toyota seriously is to literally cut out the entire front suspension, and weld in a solid front axle like the one a Jeep comes with stock.
Now if you're saying that doesn't apply to you because you're not doing anything serious, just around town and some dirt roads, then that's the "grocery getter" term in the Offroad world that I'm referring to. Like I said, they can handle mild to moderate Offroad work in stock (or beefed up IFS) form... but that's it until you cut out the front end.
You can take a Rubicon a LOT further on the capability spectrum with a LOT fewer modifications
Last week I was traveling for work. My rental car was a Jeep Gladiator. After driving that all week, I missed my 4Runner so much. Of course, the difference was probably in trim package, but my 4Runner was so much more comfortable. Easier on the road, less wind noise, more intuitive control layout, etc. Can't take the top or doors off though - I'll grant you that. That would have been fun.
@Otis let's see some pics of this beast!Joe doesn’t let us post pictures here I thought ?Seems like a great and fun choice. You got pictures to share of this beast or did I miss that earlier?I got a Bronco Wildtrak. It's absolutely stunning, and a blast. Picked it up yesterday afternoon, took the soft top down, and cruised around running errands/car pooling middle schoolers/etc. So fun. The Area 51 color is absolutely gorgeous.
Sorry [icon], Bronco >>>>>>> Jeep.
hot damn, i miss Bob's Big BoyHere’s a pic of my Jeep on the rock heading to Crown King - a well-know Jeep trail in Arizona. I’m the bald guy in the back - one of my best buds is in front.
I've got a Wildtrack 4 door and it's freaking awesome. Just love it. Such a blast. I'm always top down.Two weeks into my Bronco experience and loving it. Found a Badlands w/Sasquatch package and it's the coolest car I've ever owned. Only complaint thus far is my radio reception sucks because there are always panties hangin' from my antenna when I come out of the grocery store.
ah, my neighbor has one of these. same color, but white... top? i think. been a few days.
Area 51. It’s dopeness.Dude what is that color?
Gloss Primer Sea Foam?
Be careful with the bigger tires & lifts - have heard these might void the warranty on suspension & transmission.I’m thinking next mod is to swap the 35” tires for 37” with a small lift.
Very trueBe careful with the bigger tires & lifts - have heard these might void the warranty on suspension & transmission.I’m thinking next mod is to swap the 35” tires for 37” with a small lift.
I have been reading about these. One day.Also highly recommend the Bronco Off Rodeo events. It’s free with the purchase of your Bronco.
We did Gunstock in New Hampshire. They teach you all the capabilities of the vehicle, and you get to beat up on their Bronco’s.
Next stop - MOAB.
Oh man, I watched a video. it's like off-roading day camp.I have been reading about these. One day.
I have been reading about these. One day.Also highly recommend the Bronco Off Rodeo events. It’s free with the purchase of your Bronco.
We did Gunstock in New Hampshire. They teach you all the capabilities of the vehicle, and you get to beat up on their Bronco’s.
Next stop - MOAB.
Me want.
My 11yo son calls that color "bronco color" lolArea 51. It’s dopeness.Dude what is that color?
Gloss Primer Sea Foam?
2023 was the final year for Area 51 to be offered. The paint code for the color is “KU”.Area 51. It’s dopeness.Dude what is that color?
Gloss Primer Sea Foam?
Beautiful. Area 51 was my second choice, but I ultimately decided Race Red was my fave.
I really like the look of the 2-door. I don't see them around here very often.My base manual is really low key. Roof rack, auxiliary switches, and upgraded bumper/skid plates. Added the KO2 tires and it is fun to take out to for the weekends.
I don't know about the 4 runner market, but if you're patient and willing to expand your search nationally, you can find a Bronco that is not above sticker. I found one I wanted after about a month of searching for exactly MSRP. Was about 5 hours away.I’d love to get a Bronco, but was hesitant since it’s a Ford. I’m glad they seem to be working out.
Now, looking at Bronco vs. 4 runner, but refuse to pay a markup. Will look at Land Cruiser when released as an option.