Rock on @strykerpks I'm sorry for the troubles you're seeing and have seen. I"m sorry you had to go through that. I'm also thankful for you fighting to stay well. Keep at it, GB. We're pulling for you. Much love.
Thank you Joe. Your words mean a lot. You have a bazillion customers and to take even 10 seconds to type that out is much appreciatedRock on @strykerpks I'm sorry for the troubles you're seeing and have seen. I"m sorry you had to go through that. I'm also thankful for you fighting to stay well. Keep at it, GB. We're pulling for you. Much love.
Z you're good people. Thank youGLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL bro. We love you.
I'm sending a pmI don't know where I am with this, but it is hitting way closer to home than I thought it would.... Or where I want it.
That's awesome man, keep up the great work!It took over five years to get here, but I reached one year sober today. It’s still one day at a time, sometimes one hour at a time. Hope everyone here is doing well.
Rock on, man.It took over five years to get here, but I reached one year sober today. It’s still one day at a time, sometimes one hour at a time. Hope everyone here is doing well.
It took over five years to get here, but I reached one year sober today. It’s still one day at a time, sometimes one hour at a time. Hope everyone here is doing well.
This is just wonderful to read. Hard to explain how big of a deal this is to the average joe. One day at a time. Keep it up. And congrats!It took over five years to get here, but I reached one year sober today. It’s still one day at a time, sometimes one hour at a time. Hope everyone here is doing well.
It took over five years to get here, but I reached one year sober today. It’s still one day at a time, sometimes one hour at a time. Hope everyone here is doing well.
There are a bunch of us on this board in varying stages of sobriety, half-sobriety, or abstention from alcohol. Feel free to post wherever and about whatever you're going through. If you feel like it's becoming a problem, best to address it before you regret some things that you did. I know now that I knew when I was twenty-four that I had a budding problem and it took a virtual lifetime to address (twenty-one years). I'm working on my third year without a drink this upcoming April. That does not mean I'm perfectly sober (I have an on/off problem with amphetamines), but I hope I can give at least acknowledgement of that there are people on the board with admitted problems and problems that have been addressed.This is huge.
I feel myself slipping. Never drank at all at home up until last year (age 44)... a six pack of beer would expire in my fridge.
Now my wife and I are buying bottles of wine every day. I can go without for a day or two.... doesn't seem to be an issue. Then I see wine in the fridge and I pour a glass (then 3).
So weird. Alcohol was never a big thing in my life - then covid.
That 5am basketball group - gotta find that again. Disappeared into the winds.
I know a few people who drink more now due to Covid. Only you can know if it’s become problematic though. No two stories are the same, and you don’t need to reach a typical rock bottom to be an alcoholic. I knew a long time ago that I had a problem (I’m 44 also).I just didn’t really care until a few years ago. Then I found out how much of a problem it was when I tried to stop and failed a bunch of times. This place has a lot of people with knowledge and experience so it’s good that you decided to post. There’s no shame in asking for some help.This is huge.
I feel myself slipping. Never drank at all at home up until last year (age 44)... a six pack of beer would expire in my fridge.
Now my wife and I are buying bottles of wine every day. I can go without for a day or two.... doesn't seem to be an issue. Then I see wine in the fridge and I pour a glass (then 3).
So weird. Alcohol was never a big thing in my life - then covid.
That 5am basketball group - gotta find that again. Disappeared into the winds.
Thanks Rock. I know you’ve had you’re struggles, so coming from you this means a lot.I was on my phone when I saw that, by the way. One year of sobriety is a heck of an accomplishment. You should bask in it for the moment, but then remain ever-vigilant.
Peace, MITB.
Thanks, Man In The Box. Every day we struggle, sometimes we win. Here's to a year of winning! I hope to see that someday.Thanks Rock. I know you’ve had you’re struggles, so coming from you this means a lot.
There are a bunch of us on this board in varying stages of sobriety, half-sobriety, or abstention from alcohol. Feel free to post wherever and about whatever you're going through. If you feel like it's becoming a problem, best to address it before you regret some things that you did. I know now that I knew when I was twenty-four that I had a budding problem and it took a virtual lifetime to address (twenty-one years). I'm working on my third year without a drink this upcoming April. That does not mean I'm perfectly sober (I have an on/off problem with amphetamines), but I hope I can give at least acknowledgement of that there are people on the board with admitted problems and problems that have been addressed.
Feel free to PM some of the more sober among us (probably not me) who chime in and feel free to ask questions or just talk and bounce stuff off of them.
I'd hate to see this post go unaddressed, which is why I'm posting with my own problems up front, too.
TLDR See title. I'm vulnerable right now and really trying to get #### right. You'll see below but maybe I just need some strangers help?
I'll try to answer any questions but please forgive me if I miss one, or two, or six.
My first sip of anything was probably in 1983 at 5 years old. I asked my old man why Pabst was what he drank during the Packer game (had I known Packers 80s I may have been a drinker back then). I hated it. 15 years later I'm hammering beers with my boys in the woods. Otherwise my first "beer" was at 13
Long story short, myself and my alias have the most posts in the drunk thread. That was simple weekend drinking, maybe a softball night after 30 pitchers. Then I started drinking at work. A local establishment has great burgers so I would go and have a few drinks for lunch. I know the owner and then he was buying them for me. Then the liquor store down the road had some good deals so I would bring it back to my office. A few cocktails at lunch. Then a few cocktails at my desk. Then straight booze all over. This was not good. But hey, I can hide it, right?
A month ago the VP came to my office and said "Open your door. There's no Covid. It's safe". I disagreed with him, likely slurring. But I told him that he was wrong. We had a fight. I told him he was full of #### and that the corporate response to Covid was incorrect. They have since changed the policy based on my recommendations but that will never see the light of day.
The following day I had already had my 2nd drink of the day in my office at 9:30am I was called into his office.
President, VP, HR and my boss essentially told me to GTFO. I was told it was a fireable offense but after 21 years I got the benefit of the doubt. Get into rehab, FLMA, etc or be fired.
So here I am. 10 days into rehab. I'm on a number of different drugs (lexapro, gabapentin, metropolol, naltrexone). I don't know what to end with. We'll see
Hi Concerned in Carolina,
By no means am I accepting or condoning any of my (re)lapses. There are certain groups/associations that would frown upon any type of lapse. SMART understands that it will happen, it's not really accepted, but we're here to help you move on. Does that make sense?
I believe I mentioned it earlier in the thread but one of the best analogies I have ever heard was:
"If you're driving from NY to LA and you get a flat tire in Indianapolis. Do you drive back to NY or change the tire in Indy?"
I'm in Indianapolis right now, metaphorically.
Thank you for your concern. It truly means a lot.
I just saw this thread and Hope you are doing well. I have a question general for myself.
I live at home right now at 34 do to financial situation. I work retail. I don't go out and drink to get bomb or anything I socially drink with friends and depending which group may have a smoke or 2 as I will socially smoke a cig or cigar depending where and who again. At night I might drink 1 -2 beers a night. Weekend more depending on a sporting event. I drink beer only as a substitute to water as I don't like plan water without lemon and it's a sub for me to it.
I do have a history of alcoholism in my family. My mom bothers me saying I drink too much. Others have disagreed. Also it's not like I can't stop either. I've proven in the past I can go awhile without a drink. Would you or others say I have early stages of alcoholism or Is my mom and others overreacting do to past experiences?
I think one of the things I've realized of late, is that Alcoholism isn't a binary state. There is no obvious indicator that definitively checks the alcoholic box, nor is there any one person who can look over someone and differentiate between "yep this person is surely an alcoholic" or "nope, this person is all good, they drink but are not an alcoholic".
Alcoholism is much like Autism; it's a spectrum. Everyone who drinks, no matter how much or how little, is somewhere on that spectrum. It's really about the relationship an individual has with alcohol. And as I've gotten older, I've begun to suspect that there really aren't that many people who truly have a "good" relationship with alcohol, nor many people who you could say are actually "responsible" drinkers. Not to the extent that society likes to think, anyway (in my opinion).
But I do think that one of the biggest indicators of an issue.. is if you start personally wondering if there's an issue. There's all kinds of reasons we can think of to give ourselves reasons to drink, i.e. "I had a stressful day, a couple of beers would help relax me" or "hey a game is on, that calls for some drinks", etc.
But are those legitimate reasons, or just excuses to drink? Only you can look inward and know if you're being honest with yourself.
I will say that I was in your exact place about a decade ago. And slowly but surely I found myself drinking just a little bit more here and there. I was never much of a binge drinker (one of the things people think of when they think of alcoholism), but eventually my body started telling me that it had enough. And when I started trying to listen, is when I realized I had a bad relationship with alcohol. Because as an every day drinker, not drinking suddenly became a mental and emotional challenge, whereas many years back that was never a problem.
Sorry to give you the runaround, but ultimately only you can make the determination of whether you're in danger or not. It does take some deep soul searching, though.
This is very interesting discussion- I drink more today than at any point in my life. I’m willing to consider that I’m on an Alcoholism spectrum but I also think it somewhat does a disservice to those who we’ve classically referred to as alcoholics. For me, my concern is more similar to yours around health and well-being. I very rarely get drunk (maybe 2-3 times a year) but definitely somewhat regularly have more than one drink where I wouldn’t drive. I go days or even weeks at a time with nothing to drink. Even though I kind of like your analogy, I wouldn’t call that person an alcoholic - who for me is someone who cannot function without alcohol. Maybe we need a new term that helps clarify the spectrum.Alcoholism is much like Autism; it's a spectrum. Everyone who drinks, no matter how much or how little, is somewhere on that spectrum.
This is very interesting discussion- I drink more today than at any point in my life. I’m willing to consider that I’m on an Alcoholism spectrum but I also think it somewhat does a disservice to those who we’ve classically referred to as alcoholics. For me, my concern is more similar to yours around health and well-being. I very rarely get drunk (maybe 2-3 times a year) but definitely somewhat regularly have more than one drink where I wouldn’t drive. I go days or even weeks at a time with nothing to drink. Even though I kind of like your analogy, I wouldn’t call that person an alcoholic - who for me is someone who cannot function without alcohol. Maybe we need a new term that helps clarify the spectrum.
No idea what this was about, but it's not limited to people here.So, it has been brought to my attention, that I said "most people here suck". I meant what I said, but it was not all-encompassing. I implied I was ungrateful for the support in this thread. Neither could be further from the truth. I'd like to thank @rockaction for helping me realize my words on this forum have meaning, even if misstated or misunderstood.
It's been about 6 months since my last update. Things have been rough. I was really strong but had a recent lapse. I don't want to make excuses but I had a really bad 2 weeks. The holidays in and of themselves are difficult as a person, let alone a person in recovery.
So Christmas came and went, then my uncle (and Godfather) went on a Covid vent and died on the 27th. Another uncle, who was 83 and not well to begin with was on a vent and died on the 28th. Then his wife was on a vent and died of a stroke on the 29th. Stuff your politics aside and just wear a ####### mask or get the shot. People are dying. Whatevs....
So my wife and I tried to make the best of it and at midnight on NYE we toasted NA sparkling wine/juice and said "Here's to 2022. Let's begin anew". We kissed, we made love and everything was great.
7am new years day, we got the call. Her father had a heart attack and died. 4 deaths in a week. We were both completely distraught.
On top of all this I quit my job and started a new one. My last day was the 31st. I had built in a week to jerk off and play video games but that never happened. Katie went home to be with family and I had the kids.
At any rate I was feeling pretty bad. I know better, but I picked up on the 2nd. I had 2 drinks and on the second one I caught myself. I dumped all the liquor out and called my mom, my wife, my therapist, and my groups and we worked it through.
Since then I've been doing really well. I have bi-weekly check ins with a SAC (substance abuse counselor....my therapist). I have a regular Tuesday evening in-person SMART group. I have a Sunday and Thursday SMART group that's via zoom. But in all reality these online meetings are every day. I did one every day after my FIL died for a week.
Last update, I didn't watch the Super Bowl. I got punched in the face by a craving/panic/anxiety attack and just couldn't do it. I made wings, jalapeno poppers, Texas shotgun shells, shar cooterie (I will never spell that right) and once I sat down I told my wife "I can't do this". So I did group/meetings all night.
My self awareness has grown to the point where I now work for a printing company. Most of what we print is liquor displays. I'm not even triggered. I see a Captain Morgan sign and I think to myself "It's a piece of cardboard/paper/etc"
I'm not perfect. And I never will be. I'll slip again. I'll learn again. But I'm so much better now than I was just a year ago. Luff ewe all, except those of you who suck
I just saw this thread and Hope you are doing well. I have a question general for myself.
I live at home right now at 34 do to financial situation. I work retail. I don't go out and drink to get bomb or anything I socially drink with friends and depending which group may have a smoke or 2 as I will socially smoke a cig or cigar depending where and who again. At night I might drink 1 -2 beers a night. Weekend more depending on a sporting event. I drink beer only as a substitute to water as I don't like plan water without lemon and it's a sub for me to it.
I do have a history of alcoholism in my family. My mom bothers me saying I drink too much. Others have disagreed. Also it's not like I can't stop either. I've proven in the past I can go awhile without a drink. Would you or others say I have early stages of alcoholism or Is my mom and others overreacting do to past experiences?
I think one of the things I've realized of late, is that Alcoholism isn't a binary state. There is no obvious indicator that definitively checks the alcoholic box, nor is there any one person who can look over someone and differentiate between "yep this person is surely an alcoholic" or "nope, this person is all good, they drink but are not an alcoholic".
Alcoholism is much like Autism; it's a spectrum. Everyone who drinks, no matter how much or how little, is somewhere on that spectrum. It's really about the relationship an individual has with alcohol. And as I've gotten older, I've begun to suspect that there really aren't that many people who truly have a "good" relationship with alcohol, nor many people who you could say are actually "responsible" drinkers. Not to the extent that society likes to think, anyway (in my opinion).
But I do think that one of the biggest indicators of an issue.. is if you start personally wondering if there's an issue. There's all kinds of reasons we can think of to give ourselves reasons to drink, i.e. "I had a stressful day, a couple of beers would help relax me" or "hey a game is on, that calls for some drinks", etc.
But are those legitimate reasons, or just excuses to drink? Only you can look inward and know if you're being honest with yourself.
I will say that I was in your exact place about a decade ago. And slowly but surely I found myself drinking just a little bit more here and there. I was never much of a binge drinker (one of the things people think of when they think of alcoholism), but eventually my body started telling me that it had enough. And when I started trying to listen, is when I realized I had a bad relationship with alcohol. Because as an every day drinker, not drinking suddenly became a mental and emotional challenge, whereas many years back that was never a problem.
Sorry to give you the runaround, but ultimately only you can make the determination of whether you're in danger or not. It does take some deep soul searching, though.
Alcoholism is much like Autism; it's a spectrum. Everyone who drinks, no matter how much or how little, is somewhere on that spectrum. It's really about the relationship an individual has with alcohol. And as I've gotten older, I've begun to suspect that there really aren't that many people who truly have a "good" relationship with alcohol, nor many people who you could say are actually "responsible" drinkers. Not to the extent that society likes to think, anyway (in my opinion).
I have a friend who is an alcoholic, and he has been sober since last August. When he goes out he has a mixed drink without the alcohol in it (virgin cocktail) or something like a ginger beer (it doesn't have alcohol in it). It helps with his cravings, and psychologically makes him feel more comfortable in whatever setting he is in, including having people over to his and his wife's house.I've considered cutting back or just giving it up entirely. But I'm such a social person I just can't envision myself just staying home.... or going out and just drinking water. It sure would help my finances though
I have a friend who is an alcoholic, and he has been sober since last August. When he goes out he has a mixed drink without the alcohol in it (virgin cocktail) or something like a ginger beer (it doesn't have alcohol in it). It helps with his cravings, and psychologically makes him feel more comfortable in whatever setting he is in, including having people over to his and his wife's house.
As a fellow in recovery, congrats on 6 months. Every day is its own adventure. Hopefully the phenomenon of craving is lifted. ODAATIt's been a minute, hasn't it? I see there's been some activity in this thread. That's great. I'm glad this has generated some discussion. I'm happy to help answer anything or take PMs from someone who is struggling. I don't check in to the FFA as much but it's good to see
I'm still struggling myself. Since I last posted, there were a lapse or two. It was nothing grand, no great issue I was dealing with. Just a lack of accountability and time (HALTs....IYKYK). I wish it were easier. I wish I could avoid the shame of admitting it time and time again. It's been roughly 16 months since the beginning of this journey. But honestly each one helped me learn a thing or two about a thing or two. My therapist really liked that line lol.
So today I'm knocking on 6 months of total sobriety. 5 months and 22 days to be exact. I'm nowhere near where I want to be. I could **** up tomorrow (not planning on it fyi). I just thought I'd throw an update out there see how everyone was doing.