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Impact late round rookies and UDFA (1 Viewer)

griff321

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With various camps in full swing and training camps opening in about a month what players are being praised by local media and coaches?

In Minnesota all the talk is about Childs. Matt Waldman has been pimping him for some time and it's worth checking out his scouting report on him.(Buy it NOW!) The early word is he could fill in for Simpson while he's suspended for the first three games.

 
He (childs) was a 4th rounder, so not horribly late. What is the cutoff here? I would think 5th or later would be the criteria, maybe? I would hope that my 4th round picks contribute to my team.

As far as later players, Dan Herron if he gets a shot due to injuries or ineffectiveness of the guys in front of him is one that I am sure people already know about. I have heard that undrafted WR from OK ST on the Browns may make the team (can't remember his name), and is a possibility for the slot position. Familiarity with Weedon may be a factor there, possibly?

 
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Sort of a Michigan St. homer here, but I expect Edwin Baker to outproduce his 7th round status. He looked very good his sophomore year and was expected to be one of the top guys in the big ten last year. He had hammy problems through fall practice and LeVeon Bell impressed, and then he had fumbling problems throughout the season. I think the pre season injury had him in a funk most of the year. It would take Matthews injury for him to produce, but I think he's a better talent than Curtis Brinkley. I am targeting him in the 4th in my dynasty startups.

 
Polk with the Eagles is one to keep an eye on.
Isn't he 4th on depth chart, behind 3 young guys no less (McCoy, Lewis, and Brown). Could maybe see him passing Brown, but if McCoy misses time seems like it would be a messy RBBC where none of his backups would put up decent numbers. Was just curious if you have heard good things about Polk, since there hasn't really been any buzz about him that I'm aware of.
 
Polk with the Eagles is one to keep an eye on.
Isn't he 4th on depth chart, behind 3 young guys no less (McCoy, Lewis, and Brown). Could maybe see him passing Brown, but if McCoy misses time seems like it would be a messy RBBC where none of his backups would put up decent numbers. Was just curious if you have heard good things about Polk, since there hasn't really been any buzz about him that I'm aware of.
I should have mentioned Bryce Brown as well, I was posting from my iPhone, so I just added a quick comment. The depth chart isn't set in stone at this point in time on the season so either Brown or Polk could make an impact as far as late round picks and UDFAs go. Both Brown and Polk offer a contrasting style to McCoy and Lewis. Lewis didn't see a lot of action last year and at 5'8" he might not ever be capable to take on a full time workload. Don't get me wrong, as I think that Lewis can be an electric player with the ball in his hands, but he needs to be able to pass protect as well and there are still some legitimate questions that he needs to answer in that regards. The Eagles coaches have talked about reducing the carries for McCoy and if he was ever to go down with an injury then Brown or Polk could be in a position to potentially see significant carries. Polk was just a little more intriguing to me as he was thought to be a second or third round talent before the NFL draft and he dropped due to lingering concerns over his injuries.There hasn't been much buzz so far for Polk and in fact one report that I know of stated that Bryce Brown has had more looks so far in running plays with the offense -- but it was only minicamp, so I will be watching the reports from the Eagles training camp very closely to see how this shakes out.
 
Here are a few guys I think are still undervalued in Rookie Drafts

Robert Turbin - He is pretty much the same back as Lynch just needs to sit and wait for his chance, he should be a 2nd Round Rookie pick but falls to the 3-4 round.

Dwayne Allen - Might turn out to be the best TE in the draft class for Fantasy purposes and is also falling into the 3-4 range.

Russell Wilson - late round guy that you stash and could be a starter in 2-3 years

Marvin McNutt - Eagles need a big RedZone WR and McNutt has all the time in the world to develop into just that.

UDFA List

Damaris Johnson WR

Tauren Poole RB

Tony Clemons WR

James Hanna TE

Daryl Richardson RB

 
Here's a list of late round flyers and ADP values in rookie drafts that I feel strongly about after doing a rediculous amount of research before and after the draft....

QB = Wilson

RB = Brown, Herron, Ballard

WR = Criner, Adams, Benjamin

TE = Allen, Egnew

 
Here's a list of late round flyers and ADP values in rookie drafts that I feel strongly about after doing a rediculous amount of research before and after the draft....

QB = Wilson - 3rd round pick, not late at all

RB = Brown, Herron, Ballard

WR = Criner, Adams - 4th rounder, Benjamin - 4th rounder

TE = Allen - 3rd round, Egnew - 3rd rounder
Criner I liked, but he has SO much young talent ahead of him in Oakland it is ridiculous. I just don't know how he gets an opportunity any time soon.Brown is kind of in the same boat, but at RB. 2 young guys ahead of him in pecking order - it will take an injury for him to get any value, and I don't like to predict those.

Herron I think has the best bet out of the list - who knows how effective BJGE will be, and Scott is hardly a world-beater.

Ballard has quite a few young backs in front of him as well.

All the rest are picked too highly to be included in this thread, IMO. 4th rounders and earlier should be counted on to provide some sort of impact.

 
Here's a list of late round flyers and ADP values in rookie drafts that I feel strongly about after doing a rediculous amount of research before and after the draft....

QB = Wilson - 3rd round pick, not late at all

RB = Brown, Herron, Ballard

WR = Criner, Adams - 4th rounder, Benjamin - 4th rounder

TE = Allen - 3rd round, Egnew - 3rd rounder
Criner I liked, but he has SO much young talent ahead of him in Oakland it is ridiculous. I just don't know how he gets an opportunity any time soon.Brown is kind of in the same boat, but at RB. 2 young guys ahead of him in pecking order - it will take an injury for him to get any value, and I don't like to predict those.

Herron I think has the best bet out of the list - who knows how effective BJGE will be, and Scott is hardly a world-beater.

Ballard has quite a few young backs in front of him as well.

All the rest are picked too highly to be included in this thread, IMO. 4th rounders and earlier should be counted on to provide some sort of impact.
Ohhhhhhhhhh. Wow, sorry. I thought this was a fantasy football forum and we were talking about fantasy football flyers. I must have mistakenly pointed out value based on current fantasy football adp...

hypothetically... if anywhere here plays fantasy football, and is interested... all of the players I pointed out are 'flyers' as all of their current ADP's are very late, some may even go undrafted in low to medium size roster size leagues.

Again, if your points about players having too much talent in front of them to make an impact were about fantasy football... I might point out that that is the reason they are flyers... As average people in fantasy football dont do as much research and overlook players because they think they are buried on the depth chart...

Sorry to include players you feel are unqualified in the thread. Excuse my interuption.

 
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Josh Cooper is the name of the Browns slot WR who has a chance to make an impact and he fits the bill here. Lots of positive reports about him.

I like Bryce Brown a lot more than Polk.

Evan Rodriguez is a guy that intrigues me as an Aaron Hernandez type clone

 
If we're limiting things to only 5th round or later...

Ryan Lindley at QB could be a really longshot stash because the Arizona QB situation is pretty unsettled and with those WRs, there's potential for whoever ends up starting. I don't really like QBs with shoddy accuracy though, so he's more of a guy to just keep an eye on, even in 2 QB leagues.

At RB, Vick Ballard is a guy I potentially like. Not even because I'm overly impressed with him, but the fact that his situation looks pretty attractive for such a late pick. Delone Carter looked very mediocre, so the #2 job is there for the taking. And Donald Brown isn't exactly Lesean McCoy in terms of talent or durability, so it could definitely be worse as a late round back. Just purely in terms of opportunity, there's a lot to like with Ballard in my opinion.

At WR, I haven't found anyone I'm overly excited about that was 5th or later. I think Marvin Jones and Danny Coale are solid prospects but maybe a bit over-hyped right now in dynasty.

Very long-term, I think you have to look at the best offenses in the league and I think a few guys who could be intriguing are:

Jeremy Ebert, a 7th rounder out of Northwester who New England took. I watch a lot of B10 and he always made plays and got open. Obviously the Wes Welker comparison is pretty cliche, but Wes is a FA after this year and Ebert does have a similar game.

Dale Moss was an undrafted small school guy who ended up in GB. Best case is he ends up on the PS this year, but he has a lot of physical talent and obviously if he gets any time in that potent offense down the road, he could be a fantasy factor.

Nick Toon was a very late 4th, so he sort of qualifies (and fits my great passing offense theme), though is much less of a sleeper than the other guys on this list. Obviously, if he can crack the top 3 spots in NO's passing game, he could be a great guy to own.

Lavon Brazill for the Colts doesn't totally fit on this list since the Colts aren't anywhere near the same league as the other 3 offenses mentioned, but if you believe in Luck, they could be. Never hurts to take a late flier on a guy who could be one of Luck's go-to guys on a not overly talented WR corp.

At TE, Taylor Thompson has a bit of upside due to his physical talents and he's a guy to keep an eye on. Seems to have started out with some relatively positive reviews in OTAs also.

 
Lavon Brazill for the Colts doesn't totally fit on this list since the Colts aren't anywhere near the same league as the other 3 offenses mentioned, but if you believe in Luck, they could be. Never hurts to take a late flier on a guy who could be one of Luck's go-to guys on a not overly talented WR corp.
LaVon Brazill earning some first-team repsPublished Thu Aug 2 2:51:00 p.m. ET 2012

(Rotoworld) Sixth-round rookie LaVon Brazill is already "gobbling up first-team reps" at Colts camp.

Analysis: Reggie Wayne is locked in on one side, but the opposite receiver spot is wide open. The Colts are giving slot man Austin Collie, oft-injured Donnie Avery and Brazill a look. The Ohio product has 4.47 speed and fits naturally on the outside.(Article Link)

 
RB Cyrus Gray (Kansas City - Round 6). Liked his skill set and running style coming out and he has similar size to Jamaal Charles. Currently has Charles and Hillis ahead of him but has a chance to stick a 4th RB if the staff utilizes Dexter McCluster as a RB/WR hybrid.

WR Tommy Streeter (Baltimore - Round 6). Liked him a lot coming out and had similar vibes about him as Leonard Hankerson last year. Anquan Boldin is getting up there in age and doesn't have a lot of guys to beat out in front of him. Torrey Smith and Tandon Doss are arguably his biggest competition as Jacoby Jones is inconsistent and a return specialist at most. Helps that he also offers the best size/speed ratio in being 6'5" 220 but plays fast.

 
A few RB's that have caught my eye. Unfortunately, several (and possibly all) won't make their respective teams 53 man roster.

Cyrus Gray & Nate Eachus - Gray could see a lot of carries. JC is coming off the ACL, and despite the glowing reports, he's still only 1 year removed from the injury. Eachus is just another RB on their roster I've followed for a year or so. He'll be lucky to even make the PS. However, early reports say he's turned some heads. Here is a clip from his days at Colgate:

 
BRAZILL TAKING ADVANTAGE

Posted 17 hours ago

By Craig Kelley

LaVon Brazill missed the OTA work this spring because of academic duties. He went through mini-camp and has been working well in training camp. The Ohio University product is in the receiving and return mix as the Colts play St. Louis on Sunday.

The 5-11, 191-pound receiver from Ohio University, the club’s sixth-round draft pick, has been displaying his talents through the first 11 days of camp, and he is poised to see his first action this Sunday when the Colts host St. Louis at 1:30 p.m. in Lucas Oil Stadium.

Brazill has been competing in a wide receiver mix that numbers 11 players, and he is in the number of prospects to be returning kicks this weekend. For good measure, on Monday in the afternoon practice he tossed a long touchdown pass to wide receiver Austin Collie after taking a pitch from quarterback Drew Stanton.

It was an eye-opening play and while Brazill may not be ticketed for regular duties with his arm, he hopes to use his legs to make an impact.

“I have to work my way up,” said Brazill. “I knew it was going to be me having to fight for a position, so that’s what I’m doing and working hard every day. Learning from Reggie (Wayne) and Austin Collie and all the other guys, Quan Cosby, Jeremy Ross. They’re all showing me the ropes, so I’m just looking forward to that.”

The Colts will have a young offense this year, with newcomers dotting the 11-player landscape. There is opportunity as well on special teams, and that is where Brazill likely will make his mark.

He currently is listed as a backup to Wayne on the left side, and he is listed this week as the first-team punt and kickoff returner. With receiver Donnie Avery possibly down this week with a thigh injury, Brazill should be able to find the playing field on Sunday.

“I love punt returns. I want to get on punt returns and do kickoff returns as well,” said Brazill. “Special teams are everything. That’s where you make the team. We have three great receivers in Reggie Wayne, Austin Collie and Donnie Avery. They’re going to be our guys on offense. I’m trying to make my mark as a special teams player.”

Brazill had a nose for the field in college. He appeared in 41 games, totaling 187 receptions for 2,515 yards and 18 touchdowns. He recorded scoring receptions of at least 65 yards in his sophomore and senior seasons. He also averaged 8.1 yards on 82 punt returns, and he took four returns the distance. The second-team All-America pick left Ohio as the school leader in receptions, reception yards and scoring punt returns.

In vying for time on the field, Brazill and fellow draftee T.Y. Hilton have gained notice from Special Teams Coach Marwan Maalouf.

“I think it’s still a little soon, but I love our returners,” said Maalouf. “(T.Y.) Hilton and (LaVon) Brazill are catching the ball real well. We have a bunch of young linebackers. I think the head coach said we have over 55 or 60 guys who have an ‘R’ a ‘one’ or a ‘two’ next to their names. We have a lot of young guys we’re getting reps. I don’t think a lot of them practiced (in college) the way we practice. This is newness, and they’ve all been taking to it very well. We have to coach them up right away and get them ready to go.”

Maalouf, who was a part of dynamic return games with Cleveland and Baltimore knows the importance of winning the special teams plays. The hidden yardage each game in special teams is a large determining factor in the outcome, and he is looking for difference-makers who can help sway that advantage to Indianapolis.



“He (Brazill) brings a different physicality to it, said Maalouf. “He’s a fast guy and returning right now, he’s not thinking about it. He’s just running, which is great. He’s catching the ball way better than he did in OTAs. He’s come a long way.”

Brazill wishes he had been able to participate fully in the club’s spring work, but he had to grind out the final academic obligations at Ohio. Afterwards, he did some post-school work with the Colts by meeting quarterback Andrew Luck for workouts both in and away from Indianapolis.

“(Andrew and I) have been on the same page. We’ve been working hard in the offseason,” said Brazill. “I actually went out there to (California) to Stanford and worked out with him to get our timing up. We also did a little work at Butler University. I think our chemistry is close, but I want to build that chemistry a little closer. I’ve just been working hard every day, and just staying focused.”

The Indianapolis roster reflects 41 of 90 players being either rookies or first-year performers. All are looking for ways to earn the coaching nod and play in the fall. Special teams is the usual entry point.

“Special teams is a big part of the game, and you have to be a special player to be on them,” said Brazill. “Special teams wins games and if you can’t play special teams, you can’t play anything. That’s the place for me to make my mark. I hope to make it there and build as a receiver. I know our receivers are set, so I know where to make my mark – any way in.”

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Here's a few names that immediately come to mind:

Brandon Bolden, RB, NE

Very similar to BJGE, same alma mater (Ole Miss) and size, only with more speed and much better hands. Bolden has impressed Belichick with his "smarts" and work ethic. Check out the training camp report for a bit more on him. He played hurt as a senior, which probably had something to do with his stock falling and going undrafted. Good size, versatile, caught 76 passes at Ole Miss and he's in the mix for work on pass downs along with Vereen and Woodhead.

Jonathan Grimes, RB, HOU

Another back that impressed his coaches with his work so far in OTAs and camp. While it's far too early to proclaim him as the next Arian Foster (UDFA that hits it big), he should be on your radar. He's 4th on the depth chart right now, but given the Texans track record, he's worth monitoring.

Vick Ballard, RB, IND

Maybe Donald Brown has finally turned the corner and he'll amount to something. Maybe not. The coaching staff didn't bring in Delone Carter, either... and they're already sending him a message with the team's initial depth chart listing him fourth, behind Mewelde Moore and Ballard. Admittedly, I've always gravitated towards productive SEC backs, and Ballard fits the profile. Unlike other situations, there isn't a ton of talent standing in the way between Ballard and playing time.

Rod Streater, WR, OAK

Good size, speed and he was impressive enough in OTAs to have earned some reps with the first team (albeit injuries helped). Then again, that's part of the point. DHB still has something to prove even after breaking through last year - stay healthy and be consistent. Ford and Moore have both struggled to stay healthy during the season and Criner is arguably on the same, level playing field as Streater even if he was drafted, and Streater wasn't.

Josh Cooper, WR, CLE

Competing with Travis Benjamin/others for what could be a "starting" role in the slot. Showed well in OTAs and he has a chance.

Ed Wesley, RB, DAL

Philip Tanner broke his hand, opening the door for Wesley to potential earn a spot as the 3rd RB. Murray and Felix both have a history of injuries, so there's at least some potential to break through for Wesley. Also, in Dallas, WR Cole Beasley left camp, and whose to say if he's done or if he'll return, but he was impressing the team when he was there earning comparisons to Wes Welker with his play in the slot...

Travaris Cadet, RB, NO

You saw him in the HOF game. Unheralded, but he has some talent and potential. Unlikely to break through with the Saints, but he could be claimed by another RB hungry team after roster cuts are announced. The Saints could try to sneak him onto PS, but I suspect another team would claim him similar to the Bucs claiming Blount after the Titans tried to do the same thing two years ago.

Joseph Morgan, WR, NO

Last year's UDFA that turned heads with stellar play in camp only to go on IR. He's back and he looks like he could legitimately make a push for the WR4 spot, if not unseat Devery Henderson at some point this year. High upside in this offense.

Bryce Brown/Chris Polk, RB, PHI

Brown was the top rated RB in the country out of high school, and he has looked good during camp. He's already competing with Dion Lewis for the backup spot behind McCoy. Polk is also in the mix, but had some shoulder issues causing him to drop out of the draft. Polk has looked good in pass pro so far and he is one of the better pass catching backs in this class of rookies. Hard to say who wins this competition, but the early leader seems to be Brown.

 

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