scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Next time would you please be more vague when answering?
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Interesting take on Cutler (1 Viewer)
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nlgb1
Footballguy
1 brady 2 roethlisberger 3 rodgers 4 rivers 5 brees 6 flacco 7 sanchez 8 hasselbeck 9 ryan 10 mcnabb 11 palmer 12 peyton 13 warner 14 pennington 15 cutlerok i was wrong... he is in the top 15
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scott72
Footballguy
I didn't call Sherman a complete fool either, although he was as a GM.Again, let me remind you of Mike Sherman....Green Bay HC from 2000-2005. He "put together" a very good 56-39 record. He must be an awesome coach!
thehornet
Footballguy
might as well throw in a few more.....stafford, leftwich, orton, grossman, st pierre, leaf, wayne gretzky, mike tyson, pete rose, ernest hemingway.....Gee there are a lot better QB's than him. I just had to think outside the box.
nlgb1
Footballguy
burn? not sure what youre getting at...
thehornet
Footballguy
i have no idea what youre getting at.
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nlgb1
Footballguy
oops forgot romo... yea cutler isnt top 15
scott72
Footballguy
Ranking QB's is silly since they all have different personnel to work with. That being said if I wanted a QB with the game on the line under 2 minutes it wouldn't be Cutler. Right now anyway.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
I don't care how talanted you are, if you can't win I don't want you on my team.
Cutler has a great running game, great defense and he is peeing it all away, and dosen't seem to care on top of it.
Cutler has a great running game, great defense and he is peeing it all away, and dosen't seem to care on top of it.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
It was one game.
My view of Cutler hasn't really changed at all since the start of the game against the Packers. In fact, it's changed very little since before he demanded to be traded.I've been onto him for a while.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
If I mentioned just his 43.2 passer rating,was a major reason for the loss, and he didn't take accountability then I'm talking about one game. Im talking about the fact that he has lost more games than he has won, his TD/INT ratio, and that he chose himself over a whole franchise.But he has a great arm.It was one game.
packersfan
Footballguy
The Bears had the 21st ranked defense last season. They were 28th ranked in 2007. They haven't had a great defense since 2006. Their rep has been far greater than their production the past two seasons.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
Well played sir.
Wait . . . I thought the only reason Orton won any games was because of the great defense
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
That may be the worst list I have ever seen.
barista
Footballguy
yessir... Go Pack.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
LMAOWorse.Ghost Rider said:That may be the worst list I have ever seen.
Hey, you're on the staff here, you know this kind of stuff belongs in the FFAWorse.Ghost Rider said:That may be the worst list I have ever seen.
timschochet
Footballguy
This.I really don't care how much of a jerk or non jerk Cutler may be. But if he throws interceptions and doesn't win, the "jerk element" will be emphasized. If he starts winning, it will be minimized. Winning solves all problems. Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant were called much worse things than Cutler until they started winning. When you win, selfishness suddenly becomes a necessary recognition of your own abilities.
Cutler had a very bad first half and a good solid second half. He was not the reason they lost in the end. The last interception was not his fault it was the receiver who cut short his route.
Anyways, Cutler will be the starting QB in Chicago longer than Lovie will be coach.
I don't care who called that horrible punt fake ultimately the head coach is responsible for that call.
Seems like Lovie's buddies trying to throw the QB under the bus in a preemptive strike.
Does Cutler have maturity issues? Probably but he can be a winner with the right coach.
Lovie may not be that coach though.
Anyways, Cutler will be the starting QB in Chicago longer than Lovie will be coach.
I don't care who called that horrible punt fake ultimately the head coach is responsible for that call.
Seems like Lovie's buddies trying to throw the QB under the bus in a preemptive strike.
Does Cutler have maturity issues? Probably but he can be a winner with the right coach.
Lovie may not be that coach though.
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I don't think Lovie has anything to worry about for a while, the Bears are historically cheap and aren't going to get rid of him while he's making big dollars no matter how badly things go. In another couple years it may be a different story. By then the Broncos will be done shelling out 7 million a year for Shanahan to be the highest paid coach in the league still and maybe we can look his direction. 
seahawk 17
Footballguy
With his current .447 win percentage he should not have the ego that he dose, I agree if he turns it around and wins most people will care less about how he acts.
Lovie needs to worry. He does. If the Bears have a bad year this year I think he is gone.Bottom line is that he isn't that good a head coach. He knows football but too many stupid things like that fake punt happen under his watch.I don't think Lovie has anything to worry about for a while, the Bears are historically cheap and aren't going to get rid of him while he's making big dollars no matter how badly things go. In another couple years it may be a different story. By then the Broncos will be done shelling out 7 million a year for Shanahan to be the highest paid coach in the league still and maybe we can look his direction.
And getting your friends to call out your new franchise QB after 1 game isn't going to help things. Which is worse? A QB not defending one of your hack receivers who shouldn't even be on the field because he isn't talented enough OR as a coach getting your friends to call out your new franchise QB after one game because you don't like his attitude?
The problem is Lovie might not like Cutler but Lovie isn't exactly dealing out of a position of strength and he knows there is nothing he can do about it so instead he uses his friends to make excuses for him.
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Cutler was CORRECT when he passed the blame in Denver, after he got to Chicago..he ONLY threw for 4,500 yards..last year..and while his HORRIBLE defense, special teams, and running game was in complete chaos...he did do HIS.. job, and he didn't complain, to the press about the awful draft picks over the past TEN YEARS..since Elway..while in Denver..either..Jay Cutler was the only bright spot on a dismal team..the whole season..The rest of the team totally sucked..in ALL departments..Cutler did his job, the Bronco's owner and new coach are the one's who didn't stand for him when they lied to him and told him as the rumors surfaced about the trade, telling him that he wasn't going to be..traded, and then ..trading him..the coach and owner Bolen handled this whole situation totally unprofessionally from the start..and could have handled it differently...but didn't..I would be angry too, after giving my all on the field, and never causing trouble, being a team guy, the fans loving me..and standing with me, and then being disrespected...we would all feel rejected, and probably react..as he did, call it a 'business" but it is personal too..as quarterbacks DO have..feelings..and are HUMAN..he did everything that he was asked to do..and performed as a #1 draft pick would..hey Denver good luck replacing a franchise quarterback the hardest position to fill in the NFL..Cutler was a TEAM GUY..while in Denver..and Cutler let me remind you experts..was the ONE who wanted to STAY in Denver..and wanted to be apart of the new team that would be able to turn this situation around..yes he's not the pretty baby face soap opera wanna be...in New England, that has had loads of talent surrounding him. Fact: The very best player draft man in the NFL Scott Paoli leaves New England for Kansas City and he will turn KC around in time, and we will see how good Bela-cheat is in time..without Paoli bringing in the right players. A good coach is a factor, but without the players...his team will be average at best in time. You can ALREADY.. see the difference in New England's shabby 2009 defense, which will stop no one this year..New england will have a winning season, and still have a great offense, but Brady will may to come from behind ALOT this year..and their defense won't take them far in the playoffs..Agreed..Cutler needs someone to mentor him in the P.R department, maybe an older player..but he is who he is..and he does show up on game day..and if you give him any crap, he will just get pissed and throw strikes for touch downs...that's pretty much how they do it in the south..and BTW someone replied, that he only has a 50% win ratio [college/Pro] well please understand the GOOD draft picks go to bad NFL teams, and I believe cutlers school, Vandy LOST way more games than they won, while at Vandy they finished last ..or something..his senior year, but didn't he receive the ..MVP Award from his conference? There ya go...yea he was ..amazing..The last fact is he doesn't have to justify himself to anyone but the Bears fans..and the owners and surely not to us..and you cannot judge a player in ONE game..on a NEW team..who was nervous, in his first game..and then played well in the second half..yes thanks Mr. Jay Cutler will be fine..and understand that 80% of the fantasy experts in the room cannot name ONE bears..receiver..Cutler will "make" their names..The bottom line is that Cutler does need to let the PAST GO..and move on and move forward..winning seems to help in that area...
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I'm not a Cutler fan, but I think Dungy and Martz are taking themselves too seriously here. Bill Belichick gives horrible press conferences too. Nobody cares about press conferences, except the press. It's just a collection of bad cliches and stupid questions that don't get answered. So Cutler is bad at pretending he cares about delivering cliches in a more professional manner. All that means is that he'll never get a job as a broadcaster after his career is over. But it doesn't make him a bad QB. Throwing 4 picks in a game is what makes you a bad QB. Hopefully he can bounce back next week.
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az_prof
Footballguy
The Bear's came so close to winning this game and if they had all these Sunday QBs would be eating crow. Having your friends call out your QB? That's so Middle School. I would love to represent Jay and help him with the PR. He is a gamer and I guarantee he will improve the Bears.
mistersmith
Footballguy
do people understand what it's like being a bears fan? year after year, we've suffered at the hands of qbs not fit to throw pies.
it's so refreshing to see something different. at best, we've had qbs who can do 3 things - hand off the ball, throw the ball into the sidelines, or do that stupid wr screen that never seems to work.
i'm so tired of this...i was so happy when they made the trade. those draft picks we gave up, they would've been a bunch of injured gimps the way angelo's been drafting the past few years.
seems like a lot of bronco fans liked getting orton. maybe mcdaniels can turn him into an awesome qb. or maybe it's the air in denver.
they've had elway, plummer, cutler.
i'm not going to bother to list what the chicago bears had during those times.
do i sound desperate? we've had years and years of the same thing. i mean why not take the gamble instead of the same old chicago bears formula.
we're not asking cutler to run a business. we're asking him to win football games. fine, he's pissed after the loss.
i'd rather have a guy who's pissed after the games then somebody sitting there being all polite and ready to collect a paycheck the next day.
at this point i could probably be fine with the guy eating paste at the press conference as long as his arm's a howitzer.
seriously people read too much into it. of course if you win a championship you could take a squat in the middle of the room and everyone would act like gold was coming out of your ###.
there are so many articles where we read about quarterbacks who've won in the past and lose in ping pong. so they get pissed, buy a table, and practice 8 hours a day.
in the articles they'll praise him as being a competitor. if someone did that in real life that's borderline crazy.
of course if he's throwing tables and assaulting people after the game, then it's a problem....unless he wins a championship.
it's so refreshing to see something different. at best, we've had qbs who can do 3 things - hand off the ball, throw the ball into the sidelines, or do that stupid wr screen that never seems to work.
i'm so tired of this...i was so happy when they made the trade. those draft picks we gave up, they would've been a bunch of injured gimps the way angelo's been drafting the past few years.
seems like a lot of bronco fans liked getting orton. maybe mcdaniels can turn him into an awesome qb. or maybe it's the air in denver.
they've had elway, plummer, cutler.
i'm not going to bother to list what the chicago bears had during those times.
do i sound desperate? we've had years and years of the same thing. i mean why not take the gamble instead of the same old chicago bears formula.
we're not asking cutler to run a business. we're asking him to win football games. fine, he's pissed after the loss.
i'd rather have a guy who's pissed after the games then somebody sitting there being all polite and ready to collect a paycheck the next day.
at this point i could probably be fine with the guy eating paste at the press conference as long as his arm's a howitzer.
seriously people read too much into it. of course if you win a championship you could take a squat in the middle of the room and everyone would act like gold was coming out of your ###.
there are so many articles where we read about quarterbacks who've won in the past and lose in ping pong. so they get pissed, buy a table, and practice 8 hours a day.
in the articles they'll praise him as being a competitor. if someone did that in real life that's borderline crazy.
of course if he's throwing tables and assaulting people after the game, then it's a problem....unless he wins a championship.
ZWK
Footballguy
I love that we're Monday morning quarterbacking his press conferences. You know, Cutler's problem is that he locks on to one line of response, and everyone can see where he's going with it, but he just keeps forcing it in there. The best QBs spend endless hours studying film so that they can see what the press is going to bring at them. You have to be poised, sit up tall in front of the microphone, and be a leader up there. You have to be patient out there. You don't have to make things happen with every response. Sometimes you just have to take what the question gives you, and if you're under pressure from reporters it's okay to give a throwaway answer and come back at them on the next question. Cutler's still working on that - sometimes he tries to force things. Mistakes will kill you. You can give a bunch of beautiful responses, but if you try to fit a few phrases where they just don't go you can blow the whole interview. Some teams just look for someone to manage the press conference, and others let their QB freelance and fling their answers all over the place, but the elite QBs can deliver pinpoint responses to any spot in the room. You have to have the maturity, though, to know that your voice can't do everything.
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scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Just saw this at CBS. What a breath of fresh air that Jay Cutler is. Picking his teammates up and taking one for the team.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Comments like that are good to hear. It shows Cutler is maturing a bit. It might take a while before he gets all of the way there, but an attitude and comments like that are a good start.
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Norman Paperman
Footballguy
This is what a QB should say in public - even if he is believes otherwise. The time to be critical at this juncture is in the meeting rooms and on the practice field. It is the old adage - praise in public, scold in private.
-baller
Footballguy
yeah, yeah....I got bombarded w/this schtick when grossman was blowin' up.4 picks is only different in that it's one or two more than usual.
You forgot Matt Barkley.
Banger
Footballguy
in this thread? On this entire board...the sky is falling, trade Calvin, trade Slaton, trade Chris Johnson, Mike Bell is god, ...
renesauz
IBL Representative
Not sure if this is posted.
Thought it was an interesting stat...from Cutler's horrible game.
Bears wideouts produced biggest day since '04
Posted: 9/17/2009 2:57 p.m.
Jay Cutler has been widely criticized following the first four-interception game of his NFL career Sunday night in Green Bay. But the Bears quarterback helped his young wide receivers post big numbers in the loss to the Packers.
Earl Bennett (7 receptions for 66 yards), Devin Hester (4-90) and Johnny Knox (2-82) combined for 238 yards, the most by Bears wide receivers in a game since Nov. 24, 2002 when Marty Booker (10-157), Dez White (8-106), Ahmad Merritt (3-24) and Marcus Robinson (1-3) generated 290 yards in a 20-17 overtime win over the Lions.
Briggs already considered himself a leader
Thought it was an interesting stat...from Cutler's horrible game.
Bears wideouts produced biggest day since '04
Posted: 9/17/2009 2:57 p.m.
Jay Cutler has been widely criticized following the first four-interception game of his NFL career Sunday night in Green Bay. But the Bears quarterback helped his young wide receivers post big numbers in the loss to the Packers.
Earl Bennett (7 receptions for 66 yards), Devin Hester (4-90) and Johnny Knox (2-82) combined for 238 yards, the most by Bears wide receivers in a game since Nov. 24, 2002 when Marty Booker (10-157), Dez White (8-106), Ahmad Merritt (3-24) and Marcus Robinson (1-3) generated 290 yards in a 20-17 overtime win over the Lions.
Briggs already considered himself a leader
RIDICULOUS early criticisms of Cutler. He is trying to gel a group of wide recievers finding their way in the NFL and a TE that was taken out of the game against GB. It was so obvious he was forcing the ball into coverage- other gunslingers do- see young Farve. Give the GB defense under Capers some credit as well- lets see how Palmer does this weekend
I would say this thread is screaming for a midseason reevaluation!
I would say this thread is screaming for a midseason reevaluation!
-jb-
Footballguy
[KIGE]I agree with this![\KIGE]
The Bears will win this weekend and everybody will have to shut their mouths. The Packers have a playoff caliber squad and the Bears gave them everything they could handle. Even without Urlacher, I am sorry, but they are solid at every position on D. I think people are going to be pretty surprised.
-baller
Footballguy
pennington threw for a 67% completion rate, only giving up 7 picks, to take a 1 win team to 11-5 and win one of the toughest divisions in football --- all this w/pretty much crap at wr.cutler, on the other hand, threw for 62% completions, handing out 18 picks like they were halloween candy, and stumbling home at .500 in one of the worst divisions in football --- while throwing to marshall and royal.oh, sorry ---- did you mean jesus christ?
