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Jonas Gray (RB - New England) (1 Viewer)
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just_want_2_win
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Pffffffft. The air was just let out of this balloon.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Pretty sure he's getting hounded by Boston's intellectual elite via Twitter and that's a response.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
One of the more useless threads on this board. So I will contribute.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Ironic that a guy that quit on the Steelers a few nights ago benefits from Grey oversleeping.
EBF
Footballguy
This guy came onto my radar back in 2011 when he started flashing talent on runs like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58GhK358UUQ
I talked about him here at the time:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=580252&p=13562726
I had him on quite a few of my rosters when he was with the Dolphins, but dismissed him completely in my mind when the Dolphins cut him loose before the 2013 season. I have low patience for players who can't force their way onto a 53 man roster. That was more than a full year after his ACL injury. If he couldn't beat out Miller, Thomas, and Gillislee for a spot then I have to question how much ability he showed in practices.
I only caught a few plays from Sunday night, but it looked like he was just running through massive lanes. One thing you quickly realize in this hobby is that a RB "looks great" when his OL paves a wide open highway for him to run through, but "looks terrible" when his team blocks nobody and gets him hit in the backfield every down. The truth is that what you're evaluating in those instances is the context and not the player. I'll withhold from offering any real verdict on Gray until I actually watch his recent performances, but my hunch is that he's just your typical serviceable NFL back benefiting from favorable short-term circumstance. The Pats have had quite a few of those in spurts over the last few years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58GhK358UUQ
I talked about him here at the time:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=580252&p=13562726
I had him on quite a few of my rosters when he was with the Dolphins, but dismissed him completely in my mind when the Dolphins cut him loose before the 2013 season. I have low patience for players who can't force their way onto a 53 man roster. That was more than a full year after his ACL injury. If he couldn't beat out Miller, Thomas, and Gillislee for a spot then I have to question how much ability he showed in practices.
I only caught a few plays from Sunday night, but it looked like he was just running through massive lanes. One thing you quickly realize in this hobby is that a RB "looks great" when his OL paves a wide open highway for him to run through, but "looks terrible" when his team blocks nobody and gets him hit in the backfield every down. The truth is that what you're evaluating in those instances is the context and not the player. I'll withhold from offering any real verdict on Gray until I actually watch his recent performances, but my hunch is that he's just your typical serviceable NFL back benefiting from favorable short-term circumstance. The Pats have had quite a few of those in spurts over the last few years.
Kool-Aid Larry
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Wooderson
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Kool-Aid Larry
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Jonas Gray @jgray_ND25 · Nov 17
Overall just great team win. All hands on deck, no complaining just grinding the entire game. Now on to Detroit...#PatriotWay
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The OLINE, TE/FB's and wide receivers just blocked like mad men all night. I'm seeing everybody just going all out to block their man.
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Finally getting a chance to breakdown yesterday's tape before I move on to Detroit. I mean honestly the OLINE JUST BEASTED ALL NIGHT! #Pats
seahawk 17
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shadyridr
Footballguy
i seriously doubt hes talking about the coaching staff
seahawk 17
Footballguy
He posted it today at 3:54pm EST and deleted it shortly thereafter. Who exactly do you think he would be talking about?
http://nesn.com/2014/11/jonas-gray-people-turn-their-back-after-he-shows-up-late-to-patriots-practice/
shadyridr
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seahawk 17
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Cheesedawg
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I'll be surprised if he isn't in the same "big back" role as he was last week. Not sure the big back role will be used a whole lot against the Det DL, but I don't think BB will change much. Blount just got back there, Gray is coming off a great game, and I don't think oversleeping will cost him his job. Fumbling would change things, but not oversleeping.
I wouldn't be playing him this week either way so we will see what happens. I don't have Gray's stock down much if any. He is a NE RB. His usage will always be defined by the opponent and the game plan.
EDIT: The twitter hysteria is not relevant. He wasn't tweeting about the coaching staff. Much ado about nothing.
I wouldn't be playing him this week either way so we will see what happens. I don't have Gray's stock down much if any. He is a NE RB. His usage will always be defined by the opponent and the game plan.
EDIT: The twitter hysteria is not relevant. He wasn't tweeting about the coaching staff. Much ado about nothing.
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Faust
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Tedy Bruschi's take on Jonas Gray's discipline:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4772724/tedy-bruschis-take-on-jonas-grays-discipline
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4772724/tedy-bruschis-take-on-jonas-grays-discipline
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
I'm rolling with him this week, he was in my lineup last week and has earned another start.
BobbyLayne
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IgglesFan
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Perfect week to make an example of him. With the Lions stout rush defense, I doubt running the ball 25-30 times was really the game plan anyway. I bet he would have had 10-15 carries tops this week.
Pretty simple for BB not to start him, and play wait and see to evaluate the flow of the game. I see this being more a Vereen game than a Gray/Blount game, anyway.
Pretty simple for BB not to start him, and play wait and see to evaluate the flow of the game. I see this being more a Vereen game than a Gray/Blount game, anyway.
mnmplayer
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
He overslept and they are treating him like he is Hernandez coming to the facility. Another reason for me not to be a fan of the Patriots organization. I am not a morning person so I can sympathize with Gray.theplayer11 said:
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
Per Bruschi, everybody consistently gets the same treatment if they arrive late: They are sent home. Tedi said nothing about being benched, losing your job, etc.. You are sent home, period.
The last two times NE faced a stout rushing defense (Jets, Broncos), Vereen either split the carries with Gray (Broncos...they had a lead), or dominated the touches in the backfield (Jets). I'm guessing this would be a Vereen-type of game regardless of Gray's phone dying. It would be truly stunning, even by Belichick's standards, for Blount, who was just summarily cut because he deserted his team in the middle of a game, to jump Gray in the same week because Gray overslept. I think Bruschi's point about Belichick's handling of this depending on how Gray has behaved PRIOR to the oversleeping is the salient one.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
actually, I think the police would be called if hernandez showed up.
maybe he just should've told beli he's not a morning person
Maybe Vereen dominated the touches against the Jets because Jonas Gray was just elevated from the practice squad the day of the game (Oct 16)?
As far as the Lions, part of their impressive run D stats might be attributed to their schedule. Out of 10 games, 7 opponents rank 17th or worse in overall run O rankings.
Of the three Top 10 run offenses that the Lions have faced:
* NYJ put up 23/128/1 in Week 2 (Ivory and CJK)
* Against MIA, Lamar Miller only played 11 snaps and they had just lost Moreno
Pretty much every FF expert on the planet the Colts game as a "Vereen-type" game because it was supposed to be a shootout. Gray was an afterthought. We saw how that turned out.
Only after this week's game will it become obvious what type of defensive weaknesses BB and McDaniels choose to try and exploit. Only by sheer luck will someone predict it beforehand.
SameSongNDance
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Dondante
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tdhartis
Footballguy
Revis was late to practice earlier in the year and after apolozing to Belechick didn't suffer any negative repercussions. Take that for what it's worth, although Revis isn't nearly as replaceable as Gray and didn't miss practice the same week that a new colleague was added that plays the exact same position & role.
My perception of Gray from the IND game is like many others, that he's JAG. The O-line balled out and IND's run defense is suspect at best. Fleming playing as the extra lineman apparently was huge and I would imagine other teams will be better prepared for this in the future.
Even so, with Fleming out, the Alarmgate issue, and DET defense in mind I don't think he's anything other than a desperation flex this week. Perhaps he will get a goal-line TD, but I'm not confident enough in that to start him. Unless he just keeps absolutely beasting I can only imagine starting him again v. GB and SD. Would love to hear other's take on his prospects past this week.
My perception of Gray from the IND game is like many others, that he's JAG. The O-line balled out and IND's run defense is suspect at best. Fleming playing as the extra lineman apparently was huge and I would imagine other teams will be better prepared for this in the future.
Even so, with Fleming out, the Alarmgate issue, and DET defense in mind I don't think he's anything other than a desperation flex this week. Perhaps he will get a goal-line TD, but I'm not confident enough in that to start him. Unless he just keeps absolutely beasting I can only imagine starting him again v. GB and SD. Would love to hear other's take on his prospects past this week.
Leo Scanlon
Footballguy
Leftcoastguy7 nailed it: "I would MUCH rather have a 2 pt day from Gray han see him blow up on my bench for 40 points again." I'm starting him.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I have to agree. I started him last week and enjoyed those points, but against Detroit, he is sitting the pine in favor of T-Rich. That is how little confidence I have in him this week.
This week has Vereen written all over it as there is going to be a lot of check downs/quick passes by Brady.
Yeah, but he knows that you think that, so he'll do something different.Then again, he probably knows that I know that he knows that you think that, so he will do that.
But, he also probably knows that we know that he knows that I know that he knows at you think that, so he won't do that.
Or, will he?
just_want_2_win
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I think Jonas Gray = Aaron Dobson. BB doesn't suffer bad behavior lightly. It might've been no big deal in the long run but with Blount back Gray likely is on the periphery now unless Blount can't behave either.
Dondante
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Cheesedawg
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Gray missed a meeting apparently due to oversleeping. Oof, that's worse to me than the Blount signing. Belichick is nuts about stuff like that.
Niles Standish
Footballguy
I think Blount might be better than Gray. I don't think either of them are exactly elite. And maybe not even replacement level. Blount went 24 for 166 and 4 TDs against the Colts last year. I guess it's a wait and see, but my bet is with Blount right now and that has nothing to do with the alarm.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Gray out, Herron in for me.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
No chance I'd start Gray against the Lions if I have decent options, but people are being way too quick to write the guy off IMO. All reports are that he's a model citizen and I think his talent level is a bit underrated as well. If trading windows weren't closed I'd be buying.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I expect Blount get next to nothing today whereas this is my prediction for Gray: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ragXpWsAI
Boone22
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Makes sense
Game flow should be more of a Vereen/Riddick type game than a Gray/Blount/Bell day
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