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I don't know why you guys would think that. Of course Moss would have recognized Childress' winning gameplan of run-run-run punt, and Moss would wait patiently for his one deep ball every two games.Vikes Fan said:If MRob and Childress became aBigJim® said:Bull Dozier said:
Although at this point I'm confident Moss and Childress would have been a
My first gut reaction is that it is definitely not b). While Childress may be hard to work with, if I was a prospective D-coordinator, I can't be discourages about moving into Tomlin's former position. If I saw a guy went into that spot for one year, and immediatly got the opportunity to be a head coach, I would take that as a good thing.Whether or not they have their sights set on one of the Colts/Bears guys, I have no idea. I take it more that they were totally unprepared for Tomlin leaving, and given they have no real viable in house candidates, their slow moving is more of a sign of incompeptance than anything else.
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And yet, his former Eagle colleague Steve Spagnuolo quickly took the NYG defensive coordinator job 2 days after it was generally known that Tomlin was the Steelers head coach. If it is true that Spagnuolo was Childress' 1st choice for a Tomlin replacement, why was Spagnuolo so quick to jump at the Giants job? A cynic might conclude he had no interest in joining Childress.I would think the Vikes DC job would be easy to fill given all the young defensive talent.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to dimish the possiblity that Childress is hard to work with. I'm just saying that I doubt his reputation is such that the job is impossible to fill. Now, with Spagnuolo, since he already worked with Childress, maybe he knows first hand he doesn't want to work with Childress. Maybe he figured the Giants would pay more. Maybe he liked the talent on the Giants. Maybe the fit in with his schemes better than the MN talent (I have no idea what he coaches). Maybe he wanted to be in NYG with a coach in the hot seat. I have no idea. But, I don't really think another young coach looking for a shot (who hasn't already worked with Chili) is really going to pass up an NFL coordinator job. But again, I'm just speculating, I don't know jack.
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Alan Williams or possibly Leslie Frasier. Read below. Wouldn't it be great though if it was Ron Rivera making a lateral move? One can dream, right?http://www.startribune.com/510/story/973015.html
That's not surprising. If I had to decide between working with Childress or "coaching" Urlacker and Briggs, I know what I would do too.
With the money they have already tied into the linebackers, with Greenway, EJ and Leber, I can't see them going to a 3-4 and/or going after yet another 1st round pick for this position. I think they'll address some help here via free agency with someone relatively cheap but more in a back-up role, in case Greenway isn't ready yet. They'll have to address WR, TE, DE and CB before they'll take LB.
I think if they move up it would be for CJ, not Russell. I think Childress is too pig-headed to make it appear he doesn't have confidence in his second round pick of Jackson last year. If he brings in a vet this year, he can use the excuse of still letting Jackson develop. If he drafts Russel or any other QB, he is saying "I was wrong" and that will never happen.The Brad Johnson bridge was burned long ago. Frankly, I am surprised he hasn't been released yet. There is 0% chance of resigning him for a veteran presence.
I cannot see the Vikings trading up PERIOD, much less for Russell. They've already said that they want to build through the draft more than through free agency, so draft picks are at a premium in Vikingland. That discussion from above makes no sense.
Childress did say on the radio that they would draft a qb if the right guy was there when they picked. And the other poster was saying he wouldn't mind if Johnson was back in tampa, because yea he is done in MN. I would be pumped if they could get Russell.
As a general rule, it takes 2 years to recover from an ACL. So I don't see Greenway as a fulltime starter yet. Napy Harris might not be back. Sharper might not be back so the defense would not have a real leader. Dontarious Thomas is a good athelete but I doubt that he's bright enough to be their MLB. I am not suggesting that they trade down for nothing. I just wonder if they could get Willis and another player like Michael Griffen, or the #3 WR OR #3 DE on the board. Of course, there is only one team with multiple 1sts and not sure that their late picks would be worth it. If Calvin or Adrian Peterson aren't available at 7, then the Vikings might be forced into taking a player that is less of a sure thing anyways.Just sort of thinking aloud. The Vikings probably won't be able to find another team that is desperate to move up.CanadianNFLJunkie said:
If they were to move up for anyone other than CJ, I would be disappointed. At this point if they don't go CJ or DE, I would like to see them trade down.
As I understand it, if Carr is traded, the cap hit belongs to the Texans.
I just don't see any down side in this trade for the Vikes. If they expect the fans to support this team next year they have to have something in place other than Tjack and BB at QB. #1 rushing defense, a solid RB and O-line and no one to lead the offense. Get Carr or get into the Plummer discussions if there are any.
His base salary would have been 5.25 and 6 Million for 2007 and 2008 repectively. Do you think he will take a massive pay cut to play for the Vikings?
I think he would take a pay cut to get a one year deal ANYWHERE to prove himself, with the option of being a FA after that one season (is that an option for him? I'm not sure).
I am from Pittsburgh (Munhall/Homestead) and live in MN now. Nothing really negative to say about him. He is clearly an impressive bright motivated guy. He inheireted a good defense from the last regime. They clearly played very hard for him. But technically he was never able to figure out a way to put pressure on the QB with the personnel he had. The secondary is not bad( it's not great). The LBs had to be protected in coverage and the line just couldn't get there. You would hope when New England exposed them that they would have been able to scheme something to better defend the pass but they never did. That worries me.
I'm beginning to be convinced they think they can make Jackson/Bollinger work. I also think this off-season may shape up to be terribly disappointing for Vikings fans. And the last thing I think is that this disappointment will carry over into the regular season - putting them in the Darren McFadden/Brian Brohm sweepstakes.
Sorry Andy I just have to laugh. You're such a pessimist when it comes to the Vikes...
I don't think it's without reason. The biggest problem facing the Vikings is that the areas of greatest need are the ones that take the longest to develop - QB and WR. It's hard to find an impact player at #7 at those positions that can get the fan base excited for the next year. The only three players that would get me excited are Calvin Johnson, Brady Quinn and Adrian Peterson. Johnson won't be there and I doubt they'd pull the trigger on Quinn or Peterson.Add that to the fact that they've said they'd be quiet in free agency, I don't see much to get excited about.I predicted a 4-12 season last year and would have been right too if Carolina hadn't flubbed it up and Detroit wouldn't have blown the big(ish) 4th quarter lead.We'll see what the schedule looks like this year but anything over 6 wins again, assuming they start Tarvaris, would be a miracle.
I hear you. Not much to get excited about but I don't see that they're in that much trouble. The defense is solid and if they can find a pass rush it should be formidable. Add an impact WR and I think the team is just fine. I am okay with them seeing what Tarvaris can do but I do wish they'd sign a solid backup QB via free agency. If they do things right I think they have a legitimate shot at being 8-8 or 9-7 and a bubble team in the NFC.Still not terribly exciting but a step in the right direction. Especially if Tarvaris does develop.Andy Dufresne said:I don't think it's without reason. The biggest problem facing the Vikings is that the areas of greatest need are the ones that take the longest to develop - QB and WR. It's hard to find an impact player at #7 at those positions that can get the fan base excited for the next year. The only three players that would get me excited are Calvin Johnson, Brady Quinn and Adrian Peterson. Johnson won't be there and I doubt they'd pull the trigger on Quinn or Peterson.Add that to the fact that they've said they'd be quiet in free agency, I don't see much to get excited about.I predicted a 4-12 season last year and would have been right too if Carolina hadn't flubbed it up and Detroit wouldn't have blown the big(ish) 4th quarter lead.We'll see what the schedule looks like this year but anything over 6 wins again, assuming they start Tarvaris, would be a miracle.shamrock84 said:Sorry Andy I just have to laugh. You're such a pessimist when it comes to the Vikes...
I think this is a little off. The Vikes D hasn't been anything special for years. In '05, they were 22nd against the pass, 19th against the run, 21st overall, and 19th in points allowed. That's solidly below mediocre. Without changing any significant parts, they went to 31st against the pass, 1st against the rush, 8th overall and 14th in points allowed. I think Tomlin improved the defense significantly in all areas, except pass defense, which was because in my opinion, because he stuck with the traditional Tampa-2 scheme of getting pressure from the front 4, and after James went down there was no one able to put any consistent pressure on.His lack of adjustment is worrisome, I'd grant that. But, on the otherhand, I think his personnel limited a lot of adjustments he may have wanted to make (eg. without Greenway, he didn't have any pass rushing linebackers either).
I'm not sure about playoffs, but I do think that Quinn has a million times more upside than Jackson.Well, maybe not a million. But I think people are WAY to high on Jackson. Way.
Count me on the "Way" side.Draft options:Johnson - perfectDE - goodPeterson - goodTrade down - goodQuinn - not happy
Really? Can you sell me on him at all? What I saw in the regular season's last two games was not that impressive. Granted, it's not the best circumstances to judge.Throw out the pre-season. His "highlight" plays were when he threw to wide open recievers against 3rd stringers/guys about to get cut.
actually if those receivers catch a few of those balls they dropped he has some decent stats. I want to see what he can do with a full offseason and training camp before I write him off, I think he's got alot of talent and if he settles down a little in the pocket (which will come hopefully with practice/coaching)he will get the job done. They need to get someone who can catch and get open also (obviously)I would rather they trade down than take Quinn myself.
