bostonfred said:
Just Win Baby said:
Trades made since Friday in Leather Helmet Dynasty #5 (12 teams; PPR; start 1Q, 2R, 3W, 1T, 1K, 1DST, 2F)
Team A gave up:
McCoy, LeSean PHI RB
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.08
$50.00 in blind bidding
Team B gave up:
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.03
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.03
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.02
Team A gave up:
Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.08
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.02
Team C gave up:
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.01
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.12
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.01
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.12
Team A gave up both McCoy and Thomas in these deals. He finished 9-4 last season, 7th in points, and lost in the first round of the playoffs. He had the first three picks in the draft and took Watkins, Evans, and Cooks. He also has 1.7, but we have only drafted through 1.5 so far.
im going to be in the minority on this one but I think its absolutely the right time to dump demaryius especially if you're doing it for draft picks. This is close to the peak of his trade value before manning retires, and this is an above average draft class for depth. And if youre going to dump your best receiver, its a good time to move mccoy, even if he could have gotten more for him. I have a feeling the plan was to get sankey at 1.3 to replace mccoy, but evans isnt a bad plan b at all. I also like getting so many quality picks in the 1.7-2.3 range, every pick that goes off the board in that range has a couple leaguemates yelling #### like old ladies who just heard someone yell bingo. It might not seem like he got enough for mccoy, and he probably should have gotten more (why is he the one giving fab$?), but I like the two deals together.
OK, Team A made another trade during the draft and also made a couple prior trades in March. So I thought it would be interesting to catalog all of the trades and the way it has changed his roster.
I'm going to summarize the net results of the 5 trades here:
Team A gave up:
McCoy, LeSean PHI RB
Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR
Wallace, Mike MIA WR
Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR
Boykin, Jarrett GBP WR
Hunter, Kendall SFO RB
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.08
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.08
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.08
$50.00 in blind bidding
And received in return:
Dobson, Aaron NEP WR
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.01
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.02
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.07
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.12
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.01
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.02
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.06
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.12
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.03
He already held the 1.3 pick from a trade during the startup draft in spring 2013.
Here is who he has drafted with all of these picks:
1.1 - Watkins
1.2 - Evans
1.3 - Cooks
1.7 - Adams
1.12 - Robinson
2.1 - Moncrief
2.2 - ASJ
2.6 - Manziel
2.12 - TBD (he is on deck with this pick right now)
3.3 - TBD
Thoughts?
For fun, let's take pieces individually and break it down that way:
McCoy, LeSean PHI RB (gave) > Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.01 (got)
Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR (gave) > Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.02 (got)
There is little question about these, as neither vet can be obtained for just these picks. It takes multiple 1sts to get each of these guys.
1.3 - Cooks
We can ignore this, as it was not part of any deal and the guy already had this pick
Wallace, Mike MIA WR (gave) > Dobson, Aaron NEP WR (got)
I think most would agree, though there may be room for debate based on Wallace's 2013 and age difference. But, Dobson has done little so far and is in a pass catching committee with Edelman, Amendola, and especially Gronk while Wallace is still the WR1 in MIA and Lazor replaces Sherman at OC, promising to use Wallace properly.
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.08 (gave) < Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.07 (got)
Obviously 7 > 8, but it is a small difference especially in this draft where several players in that range are being drafted interchangeably as a matter of personal preference
Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR (gave) >? <? Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.12 (got)
Sort of hard to say here. Bust factor at 1.12 grows. Maclin is in a great O but coming off injury, and who knows what is next for him after his one year deal expires. Still, he's a likely high catch guy in 2014 in a PPR league, and just 26. 1.12 ended up as Robinson JAC, who also drafted M Lee ahead of him and onto a team with an untested QBOTF in Bortles, onto a team with a decade of failure (though it's a new staff now making decisions).
Boykin, Jarrett GBP WR
Hunter, Kendall SFO RB
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.08
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.08
$50.00 in blind bidding
(gave)
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Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.01
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.02
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.06
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.12
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.03
(got)
This probably boils down, in reality, to Boykin < 2.01 (Moncrief) plus 2.02 (AS-Jenkins) in terms of actual impact. Chances are that Boykin's real value is limited to a year or two, and chances are one of Moncrief and ASJ never amount to much (we all like to believe these rookies drafted in this range will all be wonderfully useful beings, but past rookie drafts are littered with 'name' guys who just didn't pan out). Boykin better now, the rook pair better later if things work out.
The rest of the gaves/gots we can pretty much ignore in terms of evaluation as they are guesses, lottery tickets at that point (K Hunter, 2.08, 3.08, $50 vs. 2.06, 2.12, 3.03).
So, in my mind the trade-happy guy probably 'won' the lower portions of things but the value of those wins do not come close to the value losses of the first three, and especially the first two, matchups I listed above. I think the trader got too excited about the prospect of lots of shiny new toys and forgot just how many can't miss rookies end up either total busts or just mediocre NFL guys who never produce at a level to help a starting lineup. As a big package, give me the McCoy and Demaryius side easily.