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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (3 Viewers)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Spike
Footballguy
The Fantasy Chef
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
In a rebuild I had 1.03 / 1.06 / 1.09 / 1.11 / 1.13 (too many eggs in one basket for my taste)
Combo of 2 trades
gave 1.09 / 1.11 / 3.10 / 3.11 for 2 2015 1sts ( I expect 1 of them to be in the bottom half) 2nd & 3rd
Combo of 2 trades
gave 1.09 / 1.11 / 3.10 / 3.11 for 2 2015 1sts ( I expect 1 of them to be in the bottom half) 2nd & 3rd
I would have held the picks. 2014 is a great year to re-build. 1.09 and 1.11 are the estimated equivalent of 1.04 and 1.06 in a normal year. 2015 COULD be a good year as well, but no guarantees.... Bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush...
Why get cute? Too many eggs in one basket is not a valid reason to make a deal. I'm sure that your trade partners were thrilled to get another pick in this stacked year!
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ghostguy123
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ghostguy123
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I think that was only part of it. Getting guaranteed higher picks in the future is probably the main reason.
Louche
Footballguy
I wouldn't, but I would agree that Mike Wallace is currently undervalued. Over the last third of the season he was a high/mid WR2. One would not think that by the way he was so heavily criticized.
Evil G
Footballguy
You're not alone. Though I agree that the 1.10 + 1.13 is a strong price for Wallace, this is a reflection of his current trade value, IMO, not his actual value.
His actual value is, I think, headed way up. He had 142 targets last year and they are keen to use, use, use him. Poor QB play is the issue and for whatever reason - Saturn must be in the house of Jupiter - I think they figure it out in Miami.
I only have him in one league - where I am a strong contender. If I were to trade him for those picks, I am then probably surfing to parlay the pick(s) to find a guy with as much upside.
Evil G
Footballguy
To be clear, I was bashing the format and the psychology of 'forever deeper', not individuals with near infinite time that might happen to have been swirled into the vortex. (We are, after all, all staring out from the edge).
However, the point of my rant, if there was one, was to point out the absurdity of 3-year devy players. College freshman are a long way back. So long in fact, that it could use a bit of tongue-in-cheek ridicule.
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I play in one Devy. I enjoy it although I am likely to draft players entering the NFL or maybe eligible for the draft the following year if I think I have a good feel for them. About as far as I go with the devy part.To be clear, I was bashing the format and the psychology of 'forever deeper', not individuals with near infinite time that might happen to have been swirled into the vortex. (We are, after all, all staring out from the edge).
However, the point of my rant, if there was one, was to point out the absurdity of 3-year devy players. College freshman are a long way back. So long in fact, that it could use a bit of tongue-in-cheek ridicule.
I guess because I play in a devy league I would like to encourage my opponents to feel free to draft HS kids so I can get better players that are going to play in the NFL that year. If you shame them into a more risk averse draft pattern I will get worse players as a result
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Then again much like redraft and dynasty leagues now, just pay for someone else's rankings and you dont have to do any of the work.
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LBH
Footballguy
Should also be noted that it's a 14 team league
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Evil G
Footballguy
Without seeing the rosters in this one, I think Green in deal two, quite easily. The other guy likely needed RB help, which can be a big motivator.
In the first deal, I have no idea. I think the jury is still wayyyy out on Hunter, despite much love for him here among the Sharks. Therefore the deal could be gold-for-gold or junk-for-junk. Fair, and high risk. That's the kind I like.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I agree that the deal is closer to fair than market value will suggest. But it's still a trade against market value, so I think it's fair to say the new Ingram owner could have gotten more.
Spike
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
nothing is ever guarantee, but the 1 team has been in bottom half for a couple of yrs. Hes getting there but might be a yr or 2 away. The 1.11 was moved to the league champion so he gave me a 1st and 2nd.ghostguy123 said:
Also, the roster size is 36 and I had something like 10 picks and I would have to cut a bunch of propects that I want to give another yr if I kept all of them.
I think it is a good move for you. In October those extra 2 2015 1sts will be nice assets if you find yourself in competition and will be nicer at next years draft
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Give me Green all day. Has Ingram's value gone up that much? I would think Hunter would be first round pick in this years rookie drafts if he was in them. Just a couple months ago no one would have batted an eye if someone dropped Ingram.
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ghostguy123
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KellysHeroes
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Wasn't involved. PPR start 3 or 4 WR a week. 12 teams
Decker for Crabtree
Decker for Crabtree
LBH
Footballguy
Crabtree easily for me
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And here I thought this was a nice "sell high" for Thomas............
But again, I mean AGAIN, there are contract considerations for this deal that would be pretty helpful.
I guess at some point when there are major value shifts based on league type, salary, contract years, and/or roster requirements, people will include those instead of just throwing out names.
Would anyone deal Aaron Rodgers for Romo???? No................unless Rodgers is like 80% of the salary cap and Romo is like 1%. Helps to add that.
In this case, I guess I will do the work for Eminence since for some reason he doesn't like to include important info, he is the one who sold Thomas (stating he sold high of course), and Thomas had one contract year left. Even still, I take the Thomas side, but it sure does make it close when you actually include that info.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Even without that info I thnk it can be argued that the deal was a "sell high" even though I think Wright quickly fades into obscurity with Schiano gone.And here I thought this was a nice "sell high" for Thomas............
But again, I mean AGAIN, there are contract considerations for this deal that would be pretty helpful.
I guess at some point when there are major value shifts based on league type, salary, contract years, and/or roster requirements, people will include those instead of just throwing out names.
Would anyone deal Aaron Rodgers for Romo???? No................unless Rodgers is like 80% of the salary cap and Romo is like 1%. Helps to add that.
In this case, I guess I will do the work for Eminence since for some reason he doesn't like to include important info, he is the one who sold Thomas (stating he sold high of course), and Thomas had one contract year left. Even still, I take the Thomas side, but it sure does make it close when you actually include that info.
I paid a 4th round rookie pick for Thomas prior to the 2012 season, which meant of course I carried him for a full year before I received any benefits. Getting the 1.10 for him now is fairly good value, if one beleives that a 12 TD season was an aberration during a record breaking season. I don't think he's devoid of talent, but with Manning looking for short underneath routes and with his deadly accuracy and ball placement, Thomas did benefit greatly. I could see him hovering around the TE8-14 range once Manning is gone (or even with Manning having a "normal" season), which doesn't really make him anything special
Last year the 1.10 yielded players like Zach Stacy, Keenen Allen, Tyler Eifert, Justin Hunter etc. While I'm listing players that have increased or maintained their value, sure that pick could bust as wel. But when you put names to the picks, it could turn out to be a very nice deal for the guy trading away Thomas - and if I'm wrong about Wright and he builds on a nice rookie season, even better.
If Julius Thomas finishes as TE9 in 2014, do you think you get a first round pick for him next offseason?
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Concept Coop
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I like the deal for both sides. Especially given the new info.Even without that info I thnk it can be argued that the deal was a "sell high" even though I think Wright quickly fades into obscurity with Schiano gone.And here I thought this was a nice "sell high" for Thomas............
But again, I mean AGAIN, there are contract considerations for this deal that would be pretty helpful.
I guess at some point when there are major value shifts based on league type, salary, contract years, and/or roster requirements, people will include those instead of just throwing out names.
Would anyone deal Aaron Rodgers for Romo???? No................unless Rodgers is like 80% of the salary cap and Romo is like 1%. Helps to add that.
In this case, I guess I will do the work for Eminence since for some reason he doesn't like to include important info, he is the one who sold Thomas (stating he sold high of course), and Thomas had one contract year left. Even still, I take the Thomas side, but it sure does make it close when you actually include that info.
I paid a 4th round rookie pick for Thomas prior to the 2012 season, which meant of course I carried him for a full year before I received any benefits. Getting the 1.10 for him now is fairly good value, if one beleives that a 12 TD season was an aberration during a record breaking season. I don't think he's devoid of talent, but with Manning looking for short underneath routes and with his deadly accuracy and ball placement, Thomas did benefit greatly. I could see him hovering around the TE8-14 range once Manning is gone (or even with Manning having a "normal" season), which doesn't really make him anything special
Last year the 1.10 yielded players like Zach Stacy, Keenen Allen, Tyler Eifert, Justin Hunter etc. While I'm listing players that have increased or maintained their value, sure that pick could bust as wel. But when you put names to the picks, it could turn out to be a very nice deal for the guy trading away Thomas - and if I'm wrong about Wright and he builds on a nice rookie season, even better.
If Julius Thomas finishes as TE9 in 2014, do you think you get a first round pick for him next offseason?
I certainly agree with selling TE's (Jimmy/Gronk excluded) for 1st +. I guess for me any TE other than the 2 really elite guys are too close to the rest of the pack for me to keep if I can get a solid return on them.
So I can see both sides of the deal pretty easily but initially it looked cheap for JT as he is commanding a solid price in a straight dynasty with no contract.
Carl Eller's Dead Liver
Footballguy
Cam Newton + Cordarrelle Patterson + Christine Michael + 2.04 rookie pick
FOR
Russell Wilson + Percy Harvin + 3.10
FOR
Russell Wilson + Percy Harvin + 3.10
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Carl Eller's Dead Liver
Footballguy
I might take my chances with TRich here. Not a big fan of Austin
Very close with two polarizing players
ghostguy123
Footballguy
yep, seems off.
And to respond to something earlier, "selling high" has nothing to do with what you originally paid to get a player.
Nice deal for you.
I guess I should have held him a bit longer. I was thrilled to get a 3rd
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
You should be thrilled with a 3rd -- 2.01 is absurd for a 4th string UDFA on a team as pass heavy as NO.
Dr. Octopus
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