r0llin_game
Footballguy
Um, so what does that say about Ball/Hillman then? They didn't secure the ball, then had a rough time challenging Moreno who still got a good majority of the reps in the long run.
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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter Concept Coop
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So basically 1.04 in a non-devy league (or 1.05 if you think Lee is top 4) for Crabtree and Patton. That seems to be roughly fair market value, though slight nod to Crabtree at the moment I would imagine.
I am used to 12 team leagues, but 14 would put more value on the bird in the hand as well I suppose.
EBF
Footballguy
Yea, it's a no-brainer trade based on ADP/market value, but I don't think it was an automatic accept. I like this rookie class and I think that pick will be worth more in two weeks than it is today. Also, there are some durability/production issues with Crabtree given that he's really only put together one great season.
I had a pretty strong need for an immediate producer at WR/TE though since my only other notable players there to fill 4 spots were Demaryius, Hunter, Blackmon, Eifert, M Williams, and Holmes. Top two RBs are Mathews and Gerhart. The clock is ticking on those guys, so didn't necessarily want to wait for a rookie to develop.
Still have lots of young pieces and the 1.04 rookie pick, so I didn't mind sacrificing some youth with one of the picks for immediate help.
I like the Crabtree deal if you need a solid WR. He has questions but Kaep loves him so that should be good if he is recovered and can stay healthy.
Not sure I love the Patton deal but I hope it works out. I like him as a WR just slightly disconcerting how the 9ers kicked tires on every FA WR this offseason
JohnnyU
Footballguy
John Fox ALWAYS favors veterans and never starts a rookie at RB over a veteran, at least none that I'm aware of. So, in my mind that gave Moreno the advantage from the get go. Now Ball is the 2nd year player, Moreno is gone, and the sky is the limit for Ball as far as I'm concerned. He's a 23 year old RB that is just as good for dynasty as he is redraft. Those that think differently I can respect, but also disagree with.
EBF
Footballguy
Don't love Patton, but the 3.03 rookie pick in that format isn't going to net you a better prospect IMO. And since I would've done the Crab deal without the 3.03 thrown in, I feel like I basically got him for free. Thought he showed decent flashes of athleticism as a rookie.
bengalbuck
Footballguy
Fair deal for Crabtree, but I'd keep the pick personally. At least until I saw how the draft shaked out. There are going to be a couple RBs, WRs and maybe a TE who look a whole lot better after we see their landing spots.
Denver724
Footballguy
I think it is fair for both. I think most would like the Foles side, but getting the Gore cuff (hope he also has Hunter) make sense. And I like Dalton (if he signs an extension) and Wright.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
matttyl
Footballguy
Crazy thing about this trade, not a single player involved would be a starter - on either the team they came from or the team they ended up on. These two owners already have Rodgers and Brees, as well as Gronk/V Davis and Graham.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I would feel very comfortable giving pick 3 for Crabtree in a NON Devy league so to me that one was pretty easy
One More Rep
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
r0llin_game
Footballguy
While I agree that Ball should out produce Gio this year with having Peyton, I'm sold on Gio being the more talented player. I would also agree with John Fox leaning towards the vet at RB, but, I'm sure Peyton has a huge say in who he wants in that backfield. If Ball misses a blitz pickup or two, and Peyton takes a couple shots, could definitely see more of a committee then.
Pimpin Joe
Footballguy
12 team PPR Devy 1QB 1RB 3WR 1TE 2Flex
Julio Jones
for
Rueben Randle
Amari Cooper*
Stefon Diggs*
1.4 devy pick
Julio Jones
for
Rueben Randle
Amari Cooper*
Stefon Diggs*
1.4 devy pick
One More Rep
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Pimpin Joe
Footballguy
Not sure I like Evans that much more. I will take 2 1sts even though I think the 2.08 is a little higher than I would like to give up to drop 2 spots
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
Yeah, I think this is fair. In a non-ppr league, there's a decent chance he can get Evans at #4 since RBs will go early. Sanders is interesting as well, his value seems to be all over the place.
One More Rep
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Rockchild
Footballguy
I think most will say Welker but I'm deep at WR and have been trying to move him along with something else for an upgrade somewhere but thought I'd come at it from a different angle. In a vacuum, I would take the WR in a start one RB league too.
Spin
Footballguy
10 team 1ppr. Start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 1super flex, IDP
I traded:
1.4
2.5
~40% of FAABB
I received:
Matt Forte
Feel like I have a great shot at winning this year, but was not happy with my rb depth behind Charles / Gio. Might be a bit overpay, but felt like it was worth it. Still have 1.1 so will have Watkins as well.
Current roster:
QB: Rodgers, RG3
RB: Charles, Gio, Forte, Jstew, Pierce
WR: Calvin, AJ Green, Crabtree, Nelson, Nicks
TE: Vernon, Julius Thomas, Reed
I traded:
1.4
2.5
~40% of FAABB
I received:
Matt Forte
Feel like I have a great shot at winning this year, but was not happy with my rb depth behind Charles / Gio. Might be a bit overpay, but felt like it was worth it. Still have 1.1 so will have Watkins as well.
Current roster:
QB: Rodgers, RG3
RB: Charles, Gio, Forte, Jstew, Pierce
WR: Calvin, AJ Green, Crabtree, Nelson, Nicks
TE: Vernon, Julius Thomas, Reed
I think Forte is worth for your team and this format.
Especially as you must be one of the top teams. Nice move
took over a tear down who could have sneaked into the playoffs this year with some luck, but I hate purgatory.
My earlier trade of JC for 1.03/1.06/2015 1st (late) was discussed earlier
Since RBs are valuable in this format, start 2RB/2WR/TE can flex RWT, 12 team graded PPR (0 for RB and 0.5 for WR and TE), sold off another one:
Ellington
for
1.08/2.08/D Johnson RB HOU
Not sold on Ellington to ever be a 250+ touch back and no PPR for RBs was a factor.
My earlier trade of JC for 1.03/1.06/2015 1st (late) was discussed earlier
Since RBs are valuable in this format, start 2RB/2WR/TE can flex RWT, 12 team graded PPR (0 for RB and 0.5 for WR and TE), sold off another one:
Ellington
for
1.08/2.08/D Johnson RB HOU
Not sold on Ellington to ever be a 250+ touch back and no PPR for RBs was a factor.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I wouldn't pay that for Forte in a superflex league. As you stood, you were guarenteed some combination of Watkins and one of the top 3 QBs. I wouldn't have broken that up for Forte, with two stud RBs already on your roster. I'd have opted for a cheaper RB3, in addition to adding Sammy and a young QB. The 2.05 should also be very valuable this year, especially in IDP formats.
Just another philosophy, but you obviously know what you're doing with that roster.
cstu
Footballguy
It's 10 teams so that decreased the value of QB in Superflex. Watkins and Evans should still go in the top 3 and he didn't need a QB.
I do think the 1.4 should have been enough to get it done though.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Zero chance any league I am in, with any scoring system, would pick 4 be enough straight up to get Forte.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
I've not played in a 10 team superflex, but, simply based on my quick/dirty math, QBs still dominate this format. The number of teams affects the value of all positions (moving baselines).
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
There's no such thing as not needing a QB in a Superflex. You're much better off keeping them away from your competition of using them as trade bait even in a 10-teamer.
I play in a 10-team Superflex league. This offseason Martin was traded pretty much straight up for Cutler. It was considered a pretty good trade.
You can never have enough QB's if they're worthy of being drafted that high.
I play in a 10-team Superflex league. This offseason Martin was traded pretty much straight up for Cutler. It was considered a pretty good trade.
You can never have enough QB's if they're worthy of being drafted that high.
cstu
Footballguy
I guess I'm not sold on the fantasy impact of this class. Manziel has the highest ceiling but highest risk as well. I like Bridgewater the best in this class but I expect him to be a better NFL QB than fantasy.
