Moving a future pick for the right guy that falls too far is usually a good move
Hard to ignore the fact Keenan Allen slipped to 2.06...he never made it past 1.10 in any of my leagues.
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Hard to ignore the fact Keenan Allen slipped to 2.06...he never made it past 1.10 in any of my leagues.
Dez
Footballguy
For every Keenan Allen story there is the story where a guy once traded 2 future 1st for a guy who fell too far his name was Kenny Britt.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I think this one works out for both teams if one is rebuilding and the team that has McCoy has another quarterback other than Foles
msudaisy26
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He has RG3, so now he has Eli and RG3. He's going to be hard to beat with Charles, Graham, Cameron, Cobb, Patterson, and Keenan Allen to go with McCoy. QB could still be his albatross.
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ghostguy123
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Trading one future 1st for a mid 2nd is fine if that guy is someone you woulda taken at like pick 9 if you had a pick there. He slipped, he traded for him.
It's not like he traded for pick 18 before the draft started like some idiots I see doing. Now THAT doesnt work 9 out of 10 times.
Dez
Footballguy
Someone in 1 of my leagues dealt their future 1st for a guy who fell to far last year in Franklin then he missed the playoffs and cut Franklin in the offseason cut down to 16 players. Works both ways.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
12 team dynasty PPR (not involved in trade)
Team A gets
Pick 1.2 and Chris Ivory
Team B gets
Pick 1.7, a 2015 pick (prob 9-12 range) and Alfred Morris
Team A gets
Pick 1.2 and Chris Ivory
Team B gets
Pick 1.7, a 2015 pick (prob 9-12 range) and Alfred Morris
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Dez
Footballguy
16 team PPR 1.5 TE
Quarrel | Brentastic gave up:
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.02
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.15
Rolls-Royce Phantom | Phantom Menace gave up:
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.06
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.12
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.14
Quarrel | Brentastic gave up:
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.02
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.15
Rolls-Royce Phantom | Phantom Menace gave up:
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.06
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.12
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.14
paytonsdaman
Footballguy
Team 1 gave up (#8 of 12: 2013):
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.12
Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from team 1
Team 2 gave up (2013 champion):
Year 2014 Draft Pick 4.12
Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick team 2
Kinda disappointed that I didn't get the same offer from team 2. I had a better 2014 2nd.
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.12
Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from team 1
Team 2 gave up (2013 champion):
Year 2014 Draft Pick 4.12
Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick team 2
Kinda disappointed that I didn't get the same offer from team 2. I had a better 2014 2nd.
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bostonfred
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2.6 to 1.2 is a much bigger move up than 1.15 to 1.12. The guy you want at 1.12 might still being there at 1.15. The guy you like at 1.2 won't. 2.14 seems like a very cheap price to pay to move up like that, but if you're not sold on the talent at 1.2, then this might be one of the few trades you could find in a 16 teamer that let you accomplish what you want in getting value for the 1.2 pick without taking one of the consensus 1.2 guys. I'll take the 1.2 side by a lot, but that doesn't mean the other side got a bad deal.
bostonfred
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The same thing happened in a draft I'm doing right now, where I had a specific guy targeted for the late second/early third. In my case, it was Ka'Deem Carey. I don't want to turn this into a Ka'Deem Carey discussion; I happen to be high on his long term prospects, and I needed a developmental RB, so I wanted to make sure I got him. I can totally understand people being underwhelmed with Carey's speed, but I'm a big believer in Trestman, and I like absolutely everything about that kid except his 40 yard dash time and some hopefully minor character issues. So for the sake of this discussion, imagine that you like Carey and don't want to miss out on him.I had two 2015 second rounders, both projected to be fairly late, and a 2015 fourth. As we approached the talent dropoff in the mid second, I was offering both 2015 seconds for the current pick. Once the last guy I liked was gone, I offered each team their choice of my second round picks and also a future fourth. Nobody bit.
But towards the very end of the second round, when we were two picks away from the Forte owner, I noticed that the guy before him had autodrafted, which meant that if I didn't get Carey now, the draft would jump right to the Forte owner, who might pounce on him as their backup, and I'd lose my chance. So I offered two future seconds for the current pick and a future third, and ended up accepting two future seconds for the current pick and a 2014 4th rounder, even though that was by far the highest offer I'd given any team up to that point.
To me, that made logical sense. Up until that point, there was no reason to overpay for a pick. If this guy didn't want to take a future second and fourth, I'd just ask the next guy and the next guy until it was too late. Even if someone took Carey, I could offer them two future seconds for him and have a decent chance of having the offer accepted. But when it got down to the last guy before an autodrafter and the Forte owner, I had to overpay or risk losing a guy I thought was worth more than two late future seconds. So the guy with the best position got the best offer. But to the guy who picked right before him, it must have seemed like I had been lowballing him.
To use an NFL analogy, the team with 1.32 this year got paid handsomely for the right to pick Bridgewater before Houston, and to control a player for 5 years instead of 4. To use a fantasy football analogy, if you see a dropoff around pick 17 this year (which is roughly the consensus), then you might get more desperate owners making bigger offers for 2.5 than they did for 2.1. It's an interesting case study of supply and demand.
Banemorth
Footballguy
12 Team IDP League. Start 22 (11 offense 11 defense) 1-2 QB, 1-5 RB, 1-5 WR, 1-3 TE, PK, 1-3 DT, 1-4 DE, 1-5 LB, 1-5 CB, 1-5 S
Very balanced scoring. (Lavonte David was #4 in points overall last year.) League cash is used in RFA bidding, waivers, tagging players, etc.
This is my entire offseason up to this point. 11 Trades.
Give:
2016 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7th (my entire draft)
2.06 (Ryan Shazier)
$7
Lavonte David
Joe Flacco
Victor Cruz
Chris Givens
Finley
Quarless
D. Hightower
Get:
1.01 - Watkins
1.05 - Sankey
2.01 - ASJ
Kiko Alonso
Vernon Davis
Hakeem Nicks
Randy Starks
Tony Romo
Greg Olsen
So to me Givens/Finley/Quarless/Hightower were throw aways. Didn't want their contracts anymore. Completely gave up on them.
Swapped Lavonte for Kiko which is pretty damn equal IMHO.
Upgraded to Romo from Flacco which is pretty huge.
Cruz was a flex so going from Cruz to Vernon Davis seems like a lateral move to me (1.5PPR TE) Davis outscored him by 30 pts last year.
So for my 2016 Draft, 2.06 (Shazier) and $7 I got Watkins, Sankey, ASJ, Greg Olsen, and Hakeem Nicks. Works for me.
Very balanced scoring. (Lavonte David was #4 in points overall last year.) League cash is used in RFA bidding, waivers, tagging players, etc.
This is my entire offseason up to this point. 11 Trades.
Then I lost Reshad Jennings in RFA. Bidding was up around $40 and declined to match. I got the 3.05 in compensation.
So to summarize:
Give:
2016 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7th (my entire draft)
2.06 (Ryan Shazier)
$7
Lavonte David
Joe Flacco
Victor Cruz
Chris Givens
Finley
Quarless
D. Hightower
Get:
1.01 - Watkins
1.05 - Sankey
2.01 - ASJ
Kiko Alonso
Vernon Davis
Hakeem Nicks
Randy Starks
Tony Romo
Greg Olsen
So to me Givens/Finley/Quarless/Hightower were throw aways. Didn't want their contracts anymore. Completely gave up on them.
Swapped Lavonte for Kiko which is pretty damn equal IMHO.
Upgraded to Romo from Flacco which is pretty huge.
Cruz was a flex so going from Cruz to Vernon Davis seems like a lateral move to me (1.5PPR TE) Davis outscored him by 30 pts last year.
So for my 2016 Draft, 2.06 (Shazier) and $7 I got Watkins, Sankey, ASJ, Greg Olsen, and Hakeem Nicks. Works for me.
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The_Head_Ape
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QQRRWWWW
Adrian Peterson
For
Alf Morris and a 2015 2nd
Adrian Peterson
For
Alf Morris and a 2015 2nd
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I will take 2 years of AP over whatever Morris does forever. This seems fairly lopsided to me
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paytonsdaman
Footballguy
I understand what you are saying but this trade was accepted when pick 2.05 was on the clock. If it was made when 2.11 or 2.10 was on the clock I might understand. Thus, the new owner had to wait until 2.12 to see who he traded his 2015 1st for.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Probably a controversial one...needed to make a win-now move.
12 team PPR. Start 2-3 RB's.
Gave:
Rookie 2.05 (would have used on Latimer)
2015 1st (mid-late)
Got:
Ray Rice
Bernard Pierce
Jeremy Maclin
12 team PPR. Start 2-3 RB's.
Gave:
Rookie 2.05 (would have used on Latimer)
2015 1st (mid-late)
Got:
Ray Rice
Bernard Pierce
Jeremy Maclin
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Thanks. I don't think it's bad for me, just thought people here wouldn't like it anyways. Don't know that I've seen a single trade this offseason involving Rice where the majority preferred Rice haha.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Made particular sense for me in this league, as we need to start 2 RB's and I only had Sproles, PT, Ivory, and Michael as a competitor.
My roster:
Cam
Rice/Pierce, Sproles/PT, Ivory, Michael
Calvin, Andre, Brown, Welker, Crabtree, Maclin
Gronk, G. Graham
Hankmoody
Footballguy
The difference is you bundled the handcuff. If Rice goes off the rails (or to prison) you're covered, maybe even better off than a share. If you unpack this trade to be "Macling for 2015 1st and BAL RB for 2.05" I think you'll get a lot of agreement it's a good deal to make.
Or if Maclin>=Latimer(2.05)
Rice/Pierce >= 2015 1st...
If my team is reasonable and I have a solid shot at the playoffs I make this deal every day
Pre-draft I traded Lattimore/LaMichael for Rice and got blasted...hard
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
14 team PPR. Devy league.
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Rostered: Gurley, Gordon, M. Davis, Yeldon, K. Williams, D. Johnson, Cooper, Diggs, Funchess, DGB, Dyer, Winston, Treadwell, Fournette, Henry, Tyner, Collins, Clement, Boyd
Gave:
2015 1st (mid-late)
2015 1st (mid-late)
2015 1st (mid-late)
2015 devy pick (mid-late)
Got:
Montee Ball
Had an enormous need at RB (best RB's are Devy's still).
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Rostered: Gurley, Gordon, M. Davis, Yeldon, K. Williams, D. Johnson, Cooper, Diggs, Funchess, DGB, Dyer, Winston, Treadwell, Fournette, Henry, Tyner, Collins, Clement, Boyd
Gave:
2015 1st (mid-late)
2015 1st (mid-late)
2015 1st (mid-late)
2015 devy pick (mid-late)
Got:
Montee Ball
Had an enormous need at RB (best RB's are Devy's still).
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This looks like a possible overpay until you realize that any player you would hope to get with those 2015 1's is already on a roster! Smart move
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I like it. Basically one late 2nd to take the plunge, since there's little difference between 2.13 and 3.05.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Thanks! I'm hoping Ball is Moreno2.0 in that offense, hopefully better.
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Dez
Footballguy
14 team PPR 1.5 TE
Aston Martins | electricrelish gave up:
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.12
GoodellFinger | MonkeyOne gave up:
Gordon, Josh CLE WR
Aston Martins | electricrelish gave up:
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.12
GoodellFinger | MonkeyOne gave up:
Gordon, Josh CLE WR
msudaisy26
Footballguy
We just had our rookie draft this weekend and here are the draft day trades that went down
Ryan Mathews and 3.08/Brandon Coleman
for
1.05/Hyde
1.07/Ebron
for
1.10/Beckham and 3.10/Bridgewater
1.08/Adams
for
2.04/Mason and 2015 1st
2.05/Montcrief
for
2.06/Carey and 3.11/Gaffney
2.06/Carey and 3.11/Gaffney
for
Gore
Rueben Randle and a 2015 3rd
for
A.J. Jenkins, 2.09/West, and 4.06/Ellington
3.08/Coleman
for
3.11/Gaffney and 4.03/Boyd
This looks confusing so to clear up some stuff, this is an all rookie draft no veterans. Pick 2.06 and 3.11 went for Montcrief and then the new owner flipped the picks for Gore in about 5 minutes. 3.08 was traded 2 times.
Ryan Mathews and 3.08/Brandon Coleman
for
1.05/Hyde
1.07/Ebron
for
1.10/Beckham and 3.10/Bridgewater
1.08/Adams
for
2.04/Mason and 2015 1st
2.05/Montcrief
for
2.06/Carey and 3.11/Gaffney
2.06/Carey and 3.11/Gaffney
for
Gore
Rueben Randle and a 2015 3rd
for
A.J. Jenkins, 2.09/West, and 4.06/Ellington
3.08/Coleman
for
3.11/Gaffney and 4.03/Boyd
This looks confusing so to clear up some stuff, this is an all rookie draft no veterans. Pick 2.06 and 3.11 went for Montcrief and then the new owner flipped the picks for Gore in about 5 minutes. 3.08 was traded 2 times.
Dez
Footballguy
12 team non PPR
Ewok 'N Roll gave up Bostick, Brandon GBP TE;Campbell, Calais ARI DE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.02;Year 2014 Draft Pick 4.09;Year 2014 Draft Pick 5.02; Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick from Ewok 'N Roll
Ewok 'N Roll gave up Bostick, Brandon GBP TE;Campbell, Calais ARI DE; Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.02;Year 2014 Draft Pick 4.09;Year 2014 Draft Pick 5.02; Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick from Ewok 'N Roll
- Flesh Sabers gave up Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE
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One More Rep
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r0llin_game
Footballguy
12 team PPR, start QRRWWTKF
Draft started today and is these trades is from the first link I posted.
Gave: 1.05/2.03
Team B gave: 1.08/1.10
Gave 1.10/3.05
Team C gave: 1.09
Gave: 2015 1st, (guessing it should be late), 2.09
Team B gave: 1.11/3.08
Picks so far were
1.05- Hyde
1.08- Ebron
1.09- Matthews
1.10- Benjamin
1.11- Adams
Draft started today and is these trades is from the first link I posted.
Gave: 1.05/2.03
Team B gave: 1.08/1.10
Gave 1.10/3.05
Team C gave: 1.09
Gave: 2015 1st, (guessing it should be late), 2.09
Team B gave: 1.11/3.08
Picks so far were
1.05- Hyde
1.08- Ebron
1.09- Matthews
1.10- Benjamin
1.11- Adams
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One More Rep
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r0llin_game
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One More Rep
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Skeletore Eh
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Gore
Lattimore
Eifert
For
1.07 when pick was on the clock (drafted beckham)
Lattimore
Eifert
For
1.07 when pick was on the clock (drafted beckham)
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Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Kenny stills
For
2.05 before the draft. Ended up picking moncrief
For
2.05 before the draft. Ended up picking moncrief
