***Official Donald J. Trump Impeachment (Whistleblower) Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[Kal El]

Same reason Michael Jackson wanted certain people to come to Neverland.  Three words: E G O

There's 5 letters that explain it better: M O N E Y. He's been driven by it his entire life, did anyone think it would stop when he took office? Because it didn't.

 

[Koya]

Again, the talking point I was responding to was that he was enriching himself.  That is demonstrably false.

I’ve certainly not seen it demonstrated.
 

In fact, everything I’ve seen points to the fact that he is (which matches his decades of behavior in business - i.e. enriching himself off of his “charities”

If something proves otherwise I’m happy to reconsider my stance, but Trump has literally spent decades looking to enrich himself at the expense of others and without regard for others in doing so.

 

[jomar]

No she didn't, if you are referring to her taken out of context quote that "we didn't lose a single person in Libya" from her appearance on MSNBC.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-benghazi-msnbc/

your sarcasm meter could use some adjustin'.  I realize its the age of Trump though so I will forgive you

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tax returns determine income, not wealth. Trump is rich, not sure why it’s being debated.

https://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-trump/#67f7661247bd

Iirc Trump claimed he had 10 billion. What happened to the other 7 bill?

 

[squistion]

your sarcasm meter could use some adjustin'.  I realize its the age of Trump though so I will forgive you

I wasn't being sarcastic. What specifically do you claim she lied about re Benghazi as my response was to what seemed the most obvious.

 

[John Blutarsky]

Iirc Trump claimed he had 10 billion. What happened to the other 7 bill?

Fast food

 

[The Commish]

On Point

 

[jomar]

I wasn't being sarcastic. What specifically do you claim she lied about re Benghazi as my response was to what seemed the most obvious.

check it again, its still broken

anyway, I always thought the lie was that Hillary told the mom of one of the 4 fallen that it wasn't a terrorist attack.  I could be wrong on that as I don't follow right wing talking points that closely, but I did remember the phrase.  I think I even saw a bumper sticker with it

 

[squistion]

check it again, its still broken

anyway, I always thought the lie was that you told the mom of one of the 4 fallen that it wasn't a terrorist attack.  I could be wrong on that as I don't follow right wing talking points that closely, but I did remember the phrase.  I think I even saw a bumper sticker with it

That wasn't a lie either, some of the families disputed that Hillary said that.

 

[jomar]

That wasn't a lie either, some of the families disputed that Hillary said that.

dude.....

I was being sarcastic with the whole Benghazi thing.  back to impeachment talk

 

[John Blutarsky]

That wasn't a lie either, some of the families disputed that Hillary said that.

And some families said she did say it.

 

[squistion]

dude.....

I was being sarcastic with the whole Benghazi thing.  back to impeachment talk

Then, for future reference, it might be best that you indicate your sarcasm, somehow, instead of letting others on this forum believe it is your real take on things...just sayin'...

 

[tonydead]

Google has no idea either. And I think there’s a good chance he’s not cash heavy at all. So I really don’t believe we can rely on your .004 claim 

I’ve certainly not seen it demonstrated.
 

In fact, everything I’ve seen points to the fact that he is (which matches his decades of behavior in business - i.e. enriching himself off of his “charities”

If something proves otherwise I’m happy to reconsider my stance, but Trump has literally spent decades looking to enrich himself at the expense of others and without regard for others in doing so.

I’d be happy to walk you through the math again using whatever reasonable numbers you want. Until you can point to where my math is wrong all you have is poorly informed opinions. 

 

[tonydead]

There's 5 letters that explain it better: M O N E Y. He's been driven by it his entire life, did anyone think it would stop when he took office? Because it didn't.

Wait, you think something trumps Trump’s ego?  lol, no way. 

 

[tonydead]

If you’re a billionaire you want to host world leaders to show off your properties. Not to make 100k or less for your company. lol. 

 

[Kal El]

Wait, you think something trumps Trump’s ego?  lol, no way. 

The evidence speaks for itself. He's been chasing the dollar his entire life, without it, his ego has nowhere to play.

 

[tonydead]

The evidence speaks for itself. He's been chasing the dollar his entire life, without it, his ego has nowhere to play.

lol. He’s a billionaire that tweets nonstop at his critics. The evidence does speak for itself. Sorry you can’t be serious. 

 

[The Commish]

I thought I saw it documented in one of these threads where Pence stays alone at Trump properties were well north of $200K...am I misremembering?  This isn't an either/or scenario for Trump....that's the problem.  He's doing both.

 

[Kal El]

lol. He’s a billionaire that tweets nonstop at his critics. The evidence does speak for itself. Sorry you can’t be serious. 

He's also declared bankruptcy multiple times, so it turns out he's bad at several things.

 

[Henry Ford]

[glares in history teacher]

Maybe if you taught geography we could get a better class of map reading citizen.  Just thinking out loud. 

 

[Henry Ford]

You're proving his point for him.

Obama before taking office approx 1.3 million, now 40 million net worth.

Trump now and then around the same at approx 3.5 billion.  

Percentage wize Obama enriched himself.  Trumps swings on investments eclipse Obama's entire net worth.  It's safe to say a billionaire isn't enriching himself by being president.

Why do you believe his net worth is $3.5 billion?

 

[The General]

Iirc Trump claimed he had 10 billion. What happened to the other 7 bill?

He felt like he was richer that day. That’s how it works.

 

[tonydead]

He's also declared bankruptcy multiple times, so it turns out he's bad at several things.

Moving on to the next talking point?  Yes hes bad at all types of things.  

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Trump is so rich he can't get a loan in North America.  For like 30 years. 

 

[Kal El]

Moving on to the next talking point?  Yes hes bad at all types of things.  

I mean, you haven't proved much of anything about his ego, whereas he has a long trail of doing stuff to increase his bank account, whether or not he needed to, like the Doral thing.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Growing number of GOP senators consider acknowledging Trump’s quid pro quo on Ukraine

it seems like just yesterday there wasn't a qPq. 

 

[lazyike]

Trump clains he is willing to read the transcript in a fireside chat to the nation..

If he does, think he will start by reading this at the very beginning of the transcript?

  The memo includes a “caution” note saying it “is not a verbatim transcript.”

 

[Mario Kart]

Legal Eagle weighs in.

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

Maybe if you taught geography we could get a better class of map reading citizen.  Just thinking out loud. 

I teach the hell out of the COTUS and BofR and look where we are now.

 

[Mister CIA]

Again, the talking point I was responding to was that he was enriching himself.  That is demonstrably false.

Trump's finances are DEMONSTRABLY unknown.

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

Did nobody play Risk growing up!!?? Ukraine could be attacked from so many Asian areas. 

I had a cousin who lived in Grenada for a few years.  She was shocked at my knowledge of Caribbean geography.  She just assumed it came with my history degree. I didn’t want to tell her it was from playing Sid Meyer’s “Pirates” for NES for countless hours.

 

[cobalt_27]

I had a cousin who lived in Grenada for a few years.  She was shocked at my knowledge of Caribbean geography.  She just assumed it came with my history degree. I didn’t want to tell her it was from playing Sid Meyer’s “Pirates” for NES for countless hours.

I rely way too much on Axis & Allies for my geography chops.

 

[Mister CIA]

Pardon the interruption while I give a shout out to National Geographic maps, circa the 1970's.  If ever God gifted the world.

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

I rely way too much on Axis & Allies for my geography chops.

Genghis Kahn for NES was also a pretty cool way to learn about medieval (sorta)states etc.  

 

[tonydead]

Trump's finances are DEMONSTRABLY unknown.

His assets are pretty well known. 

 

[Mister CIA]

Did nobody play Risk growing up!!?? Ukraine could be attacked from so many Asian areas. 

My R*I*S*K strategy: grab Australia and/or South America if they are gifted to you, but otherwise put all your marbles on North America. I spelled VIKtory with Venezuela, Iceland, and Kamchatka.

 

[Mister CIA]

Has assets are pretty well known. 

Work with me.  Does he have financial liabilities?

I'm not a finance wizard by any stretch, but I'm pretty sure assets paint a partial picture.  School me, por favor.

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

His assets are pretty well known. 

You mean according to Stormy?  We know.

 

[tonydead]

Work with me.  Does he have financial liabilities?

I'm not a finance wizard by any stretch, but I'm pretty sure assets paint a partial picture.  School me, por favor.

Here is a pretty good list of his assets.

 

[Mister CIA]

Work with me.  Does he have financial liabilities?

I'm not a finance wizard by any stretch, but I'm pretty sure assets paint a partial picture.  School me, por favor.

Here is a pretty good list of his assets.

It blows my mind how easy accounting is.  Strongly considering a career switch.

 

[tonydead]

It blows my mind how easy accounting is.  Strongly considering a career switch.

Good for you. It’s not calculus, you can handle it. 

 

[cobalt_27]

His assets are pretty well known. 

Perhaps. And his debts concealed.

 

[tonydead]

Perhaps. And his debts concealed.

You don’t trust Forbes?  Where you getting your info that all the properties are double mortgaged?  

 

[Mister CIA]

Good for you. It’s not calculus, you can handle it. 

Dude, calculus is simple.  Seriously, calculus is really simple.  If you are interested, I can send you links.

I think this is where we let our discussion wither on the vine.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Rudy Had a Secret Meeting With Zelensky’s Rival, Too

- Zelensky’s upstart win might have put a wrench in Rudy’s original plan.

 

[pecorino]

You don’t trust Forbes?  Where you getting your info that all the properties are double mortgaged?  

An issue for some folks (myself included) is that he has not been as transparent as other Presidents with respect to his taxes. We don't really know his liabilities and, no, I don't trust Forbes.

 

[FBG26]

Interesting Dems  Van Drew NJ and Peterson MN both voted no on the inquiry.  I thought the Dems were 100 percent united on this.

MN Peterson isn't necessarily that suprising. His district is western and northwestern MN. It's pretty rural out there, and they love Trump.  He won 52% (to 47%) of the vote in 2018 and 2016 but has historically won by much bigger margins, so he may be feeling some pressure not to be too far out there on Trump at this time. 

 

[kwille]

Right and the figure we would land on isn't even pocket change for Trump, it's couch cushion wouldn't ever even feel it money.

I understand the ethics, but that wasn't the talking point of he's doing it to enrich himself.  That talking point is demonstrably false.

If I improperly and purposefully enrich myself by taking $20 I don't rightfully and lawfully deserve it makes me a scumbag regardless of the balance in my bank account.

 

[pecorino]

Cool. You got any better info than Forbes? It’s not the “enriching” talking point tho is it?  Let’s go with dishonest, unethical, illegal or something that makes sense to someone with an ounce of sense. Dems always screw that up. 

The point is that, no, I don't have better info than Forbes aside from what little the President has given us. And for the record, I am a lifelong conservative. I didn't say or imply anything about dishonesty or illegality. My point is that I expect much more transparency from my leaders. Loading up two tables worth of what looked like blank papers shortly after inauguration and claiming that everything is above board doesn't quite fit the bill.

 

[pecorino]

And that’s a good point, I guess. 

My point was that him doing these things to “enrich” himself is silly and demonstrably false. Then it turned into people dying on that hill.  That’s entertainment. 

This is where we disagree. I think a majority of what he does is to enrich himself. I have zero beef with doing that as a businessman, obviously, but as a President (if he is indeed enriching himself from the office), it is wrong. We do not have good data so it cannot be demonstrably false or demonstrably true. Again, I am beating this dead horse, but without better transparency, we cannot know either way. I tend to believe, partially due to his obfuscation, that he is enriching himself by being in the office of the President. If he wasn't, he would not just tell us but he would provide the evidence as well.