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Can we get a "salty hater" thrown in?
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Can we get a "salty hater" thrown in?
The same moment Harbaugh was complaining about formations Brady was telling the Ravens to "read the rule book". I'd imagine the leak-train to the NFL started sometime late that evening.
In any event Harbaugh confirmed in the interview that there was no concern about patriots offensive balls, but there was about k-balls. He goes on with the Belichick worship and in the middle slips in that the NFL had been with the Ravens investigating the issue.
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DropKick
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Run It Up
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Okay, I'll ask you straight forward then, why would a team tamper with kicking balls.
Did they gameplan to never kick a football? Both teams use the same balls for kicking and they are provided by the league - if you spend five seconds thinking about it, why would they do this?
Did they gameplan to never kick a football? Both teams use the same balls for kicking and they are provided by the league - if you spend five seconds thinking about it, why would they do this?
Omg, we've been down the road literally 1,000 times in this thread. But here we go again...If you don't believe the report- your choice! God bless and I honestly wouldn't blame you. OTL is a joke.
If you do believe the report then yes, a Patriots officials' room over-seer's action to try to slip a ball into the game turns out to be so unusual that it rises to the level of NFL execs PERSONALLY testing PSI in the middle of a game suggests that there might be some
smoke, or walls closing in, or whatever you want to call it.
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Don't blame you honestly.
OTL is awful. One example
The Syracuse/Bernie Fine thing that was so over-hyped and proven to lack credibility without even an apology from OTL.
No discipline for Mark Schwartz or Vince Doria despite lying to the public on CNN and other outlets. They're a joke.
It doesn't mean they get everything wrong. This little nugget seems tied down, but as mentioned above in this thread...there's still sufficient wiggle room in this report for it to go in any number of directions.
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I like the way they mention in the article that the locker room attendant "ducked into a bathroom". Curious choice of words there. Sure sounds to me like they have an agenda.
BassNBrew
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Baloney Sandwich
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I knew if anyone would get to the bottom of this it would be NFL Insider Kelly Naqi
T J
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I'm sure they had their reasons.
I'm not going to get into this debate all over again, but count me in the camp that believes the Pats caused the balls to be what they were - not the atmosphere. To me, this is just one more indicator that something is amiss. Too many coincidences going on here from my perspective. But whatever. I was glad to see them beat the Seahawks.
The only reason I would ignore that article is because it seems to go back to the Mort report of 11 of the 12 balls being significantly under pressure, which was debunked by other reports. Also, throwing the whole he might have been the guy in the bathroom and trying to paint Kensil as the white knight personally checking all the balls, makes me a bit more hesitant to even give it any credence. After all the crap that came out initially, especially Mort trying to be the first guy to break the PSI amounts, I really don't trust anything ESPN says as anything more than trying to keep a story going for ratings. It's the offseason, time to make up some more stories or sources to keep discussions going.
Flying Elvis
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An unapproved K-Ball?
Holy ####, you got it, [OTL]! You did it! The case cracker..."
I have to admit I was wrong. I didn't think anything would make the SB win sweeter. Salty tears are like the proverbial "icing on the cake."
Holy ####, you got it, [OTL]! You did it! The case cracker..."
I have to admit I was wrong. I didn't think anything would make the SB win sweeter. Salty tears are like the proverbial "icing on the cake."
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BingoBrown1
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Patriots locker-room attendant tried to put unapproved ball into AFC final
So he wasn't even successful?
So he wasn't even successful?
BassNBrew
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Old Smiley
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Matt Taibbi @mtaibbi 46m46 minutes ago
It defies logic to believe that two different unrelated incidents happening in the same half of same game caused Kensil to check the balls.
Matt Taibbi @mtaibbi 50m50 minutes ago
Re #deflategate, for those keeping score, this latest scandal is the fourth different explanation for how the investigation began.
It defies logic to believe that two different unrelated incidents happening in the same half of same game caused Kensil to check the balls.
Matt Taibbi @mtaibbi 50m50 minutes ago
Re #deflategate, for those keeping score, this latest scandal is the fourth different explanation for how the investigation began.
BingoBrown1
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Its embarrassing we are the Cleveland Browns of cheating.
Even better is that he tried to give it to an alternate ref. He didn't even give it to the right guy to get it in the game.
PatsFanCT
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I've been on the outside looking in since the first few pages, getting a "kick" out of all the haters grasping at straws, hoping and praying something comes out to prove the Pats guilty of something.
But as far as the this latest K-ball scandal goes, what would be the point? Do people actually think Tom Brady would prefer to throw a K-ball over the 12 balls he already worked in? That's insane.
Isn't it just as possible that the ballgramps gave the alternate ref the K-ball because all the other balls were being tested?
This whole thing is insane. It's amazing how many more people are up-roared over this K-ball thing, than texting the sideline, piping in crowd noise, and anything else other NFL teams are doing illegally.
But as far as the this latest K-ball scandal goes, what would be the point? Do people actually think Tom Brady would prefer to throw a K-ball over the 12 balls he already worked in? That's insane.
Isn't it just as possible that the ballgramps gave the alternate ref the K-ball because all the other balls were being tested?
This whole thing is insane. It's amazing how many more people are up-roared over this K-ball thing, than texting the sideline, piping in crowd noise, and anything else other NFL teams are doing illegally.
Run It Up
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Just wanted to point out, that ballgramps is actually like 40 years old and in the picture included in the article he isn't the person highlighted, he is the person in the bottom of the photo in which you can only see his head.
Run It Up
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Lol, nvm I was wrong, shocker - OTL originally captioned the image as "Jim Mcnally, pictured here at the bottom...", now reads Jim Mcnally, highlighted in upper left,..".
This changed in the last three hours...
Run It Up
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The most obnoxious thing about this article is that there are in this article four different unnamed insider sources.
How the #### are there four active insiders leaking information at the same time? Is there a situation in which the league isn't complicit in the leaking of information if thats the case?
I feel like Kensil is just feeding the media at this point.
How the #### are there four active insiders leaking information at the same time? Is there a situation in which the league isn't complicit in the leaking of information if thats the case?
I feel like Kensil is just feeding the media at this point.
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BustedKnuckles
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and who said this newest report is even valid? none of the others have been thus far
just more
just more
Run It Up
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Lol, had Naqi on ESPN just now basically spinning bs suspicion.
Then they bring on Jim Daopoulos another former game official of 11 years, with 12 years as supervisor of officiating, basically saying none of the things shes insinuating outside of attempting to put an unstamped ball into play is out of the ordinary.
This is the dumbest part of this whole thing since its inception.
Then they bring on Jim Daopoulos another former game official of 11 years, with 12 years as supervisor of officiating, basically saying none of the things shes insinuating outside of attempting to put an unstamped ball into play is out of the ordinary.
This is the dumbest part of this whole thing since its inception.
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Workhorse
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Adam Schefter just took a huge dump all over this story: Apparently, the Patriots locker room attendant was given the football.... wait for it.....
By a rogue NFL employee who was FIRED from his job for stealing "game used" balls that were supposed to be auctioned with proceeds going to charity.
Holy ####. This league is a mess.
By a rogue NFL employee who was FIRED from his job for stealing "game used" balls that were supposed to be auctioned with proceeds going to charity.
Holy ####. This league is a mess.
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Workhorse
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Ben Volin on Twitter:
The 2 league employees were the ones supplying McNally footballs, per Schefter, and 1 has since been fired for selling footballs on the side.
Schefter said all of this information is on video and will be in the Wells report.
The 2 league employees were the ones supplying McNally footballs, per Schefter, and 1 has since been fired for selling footballs on the side.
Schefter said all of this information is on video and will be in the Wells report.
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AngryPatriot
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lol, in the latest development: Patriots are World Champions and Brady is the best evah!
Old Smiley
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Sounds like there's a bunch of carneys working on the fringes of the league. Rot starts at the head, but it does work its way down. The league should go after its own as hard as it went after the Saints.
parrot
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Run It Up
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Lmfao, these ####### people...
Its been like a month of Nancy Grace's Fischer Price Babys First level of sport journalism.
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Anarchy99
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I love how the members of the media STILL have to take shots at NE no matter what gets reported. Here is what PFT had to say on this . . .
The NFL has reportedly fired an employee who sold footballs that were used in the AFC Championship Game -- footballs that later became the source of the Deflategate controversy when the Patriots were accused of playing with under-inflated footballs on offense. Adam Schefter reported on ESPN today that the footballs used in the game were supposed to be donated to charity, but that one employee took some footballs and sold them instead.
“There are a few different league officials, according to people I spoke with today, at the game, who handled the footballs,” Schefter said. “League employees: League Employee 1, League Employee 2 and League Employee 3, we’ll call them, for lack of a better phrases, whose jobs are to handle the balls on game day. And League Official 1, he’s also supposed to take the balls out of play and then send them off to a charitable endeavor to raise money for a charitable endeavor that the league is embarking upon. Only on this day, and since that day, the league has since fired that employee for allegedly selling off some of those footballs on the side. So that employee — League Official 1 — has been fired since the AFC Championship Game.”
If this is true, League Official 1 is lucky if all that happens is he gets fired. From Schefter’s description, it sounds like League Official 1 could also be facing criminal charges for stealing NFL property and selling it.
This is, of course, a totally separate matter from the question of whether the Patriots deflated footballs in violation of league rules. But it’s relevant to Deflategate in that it shows just how little oversight there is on the footballs that are used on the field. So little oversight that it would be easy for a team to tamper with footballs — and hard for the league to conduct an investigation after the fact.
The NFL has reportedly fired an employee who sold footballs that were used in the AFC Championship Game -- footballs that later became the source of the Deflategate controversy when the Patriots were accused of playing with under-inflated footballs on offense. Adam Schefter reported on ESPN today that the footballs used in the game were supposed to be donated to charity, but that one employee took some footballs and sold them instead.
“There are a few different league officials, according to people I spoke with today, at the game, who handled the footballs,” Schefter said. “League employees: League Employee 1, League Employee 2 and League Employee 3, we’ll call them, for lack of a better phrases, whose jobs are to handle the balls on game day. And League Official 1, he’s also supposed to take the balls out of play and then send them off to a charitable endeavor to raise money for a charitable endeavor that the league is embarking upon. Only on this day, and since that day, the league has since fired that employee for allegedly selling off some of those footballs on the side. So that employee — League Official 1 — has been fired since the AFC Championship Game.”
If this is true, League Official 1 is lucky if all that happens is he gets fired. From Schefter’s description, it sounds like League Official 1 could also be facing criminal charges for stealing NFL property and selling it.
This is, of course, a totally separate matter from the question of whether the Patriots deflated footballs in violation of league rules. But it’s relevant to Deflategate in that it shows just how little oversight there is on the footballs that are used on the field. So little oversight that it would be easy for a team to tamper with footballs — and hard for the league to conduct an investigation after the fact.
Flying Elvis
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Has the Patriots SB title been stripped, yet? It's coming, for sure.
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Leroy Hoard
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Green and Gold
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I find it amusing that the original report, posted by Tango, was on the front page of CNN. Now that Adam Shefter dropped the bomb about how it was caused by an NFL employee and not a Patriots employee, that article was pulled and replaced by...nothing about the new story.
ETA: I was wrong, it's on the very bottom of the page. It still blames a Patriot's staffer.
ETA: I was wrong, it's on the very bottom of the page. It still blames a Patriot's staffer.
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PatsWillWin
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So Brady & Co. cheated by deflating the 12 game balls to get a level that he likes, then they try and substitute a K-ball in for one of those balls for Brady to play with.
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Baloney Sandwich
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What a complete clown show over at ESPN
You're right and what's scary is that they report on real issues that affect peoples' lives.
This is not a real issue. After that interview on Super Bowl Sunday I believe Brady to be guilty, but this is not real-life....it wont ruin anyone's life.
But this same outfit actually reports on real issues. They report on criminal accusations, on matters of abuse, life and death.
They treat themselves like a real news organization. And when they make mistakes or they outright lie, no one holds them accountable b/c all of a sudden they're just a sports network again.
I agree theyre awful, but it's scary the amount of real damage ESPN can do.
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