Boston
Footballguy
I did not read your post as just 2023 redraft as the last sentence does not back that up.
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I did not read your post as just 2023 redraft as the last sentence does not back that up.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I grabbed him as my 2nd QB but he appears to be as brittle as a sheet of glass. I don't think he's going to last long in this league. He clearly has the skills and is very talented but raw (like you said), I just don't know if he'll ever have the time to become great. He's been injured and left early in ALL but one of his games this year, and even had to miss a game due to injury.
I don't know what he can do to prevent not getting hurt in the future. Some guys are just too brittle/prone to injury. He appears to be one of them. I wouldn't call him a BUST though, either, like MOP does. It just is what it is.
Boston
Footballguy
Absolutely agree that this is a concern but the early returns on the HC are good so I have faith they can figure this out...the kid turned 22 in May and his game will have to evolve but you just can't teach the talent he has but they will have to mold it.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm talking redraft
Maybe the kid has an epiphany in the off season, it's not unheard of
Maybe a new OC, maybe a lot of things, happy to look at him again in summer '24
And yeah i probably would not be an investor if I did play in the dynasty format
But again 2023 and the NOW,
Dynasty usually takes a couple seasons but what I took exception to was the folks who pimped in redraft leagues
I would imagine his dynasty stock is way down at the moment but it will rise again next Spring/Summer
Boston
Footballguy
I only play Dynasty and I would say his stock is up...going into the year he was risky for obvious reasons but in the short sample size it looks like best-case scenario production-wise...now if you are concerned about the injuries that is valid but to see a kid that raw produce right away is very encouraging.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm happy you feel that way Boston, I have no desire to argue with you about dynasty
Good luck today
Boston
Footballguy
No need to argue...I keep an open mind and see the upside and downside of this player and there is potential for both.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I like the upside of running QBs as much as anyone, but I’ve learned to discount them as far as dynasty goes. So much so I’m unlikely to ever invest a 1st/high 2nd in one.
All of them will eventually have to rely on their arm. The problem is that process can happen fairly quickly as they start getting beat up. Hurts will be the next top running QB to start slowing down (it’s already happening to some degree).
In short, their arm talent typically can’t compensate for how quickly their running ability vanishes, either because of injury or the inevitable lack of rushes so they can stay healthy, not to mention being less effective at it as time goes on.
They always have to fall back on their arm talent…which is rarely a good thing.
All of them will eventually have to rely on their arm. The problem is that process can happen fairly quickly as they start getting beat up. Hurts will be the next top running QB to start slowing down (it’s already happening to some degree).
In short, their arm talent typically can’t compensate for how quickly their running ability vanishes, either because of injury or the inevitable lack of rushes so they can stay healthy, not to mention being less effective at it as time goes on.
They always have to fall back on their arm talent…which is rarely a good thing.
High school too I believe.
I'm fine with what Richardson showed before he got hurt. On a fantasy points per snap basis, he was literally QB1 overall. Sure that doesn't really help anyone who drafted him, but I think it means his only failing was not being able to stay on the field, which happens to lots of guys. I mean, were the Jets stupid to trade for Aaron Rodgers?
Richardson had a roughly 60% completion%. That's not bad, especially for a very raw passer. He some impressive throws, and obviously was an incredible runner. I'll be ranking Richardson as a top-10 QB pretty much whenever he's active.
NFL-wise, I think the jury is out, but fantasy wise, he was even better than one could have hoped for, until he got hurt.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
there must be a gizmo on Amazon to allow someone to pat themselves on the back.
Riffraff
Footballguy
He was on the high school QB show called QB1.
First AC Joint injury cost him a little time. Second AC Joint injury ended his season and part on show.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
After drafting high 2 physical running QBs in Lance and Richardson it really makes me appreciate how Hurts puts up these monster numbers and somehow knows how to minimize hits.
In the long run its not fatal to the value of Richardson - played some and now can sit and watch for a season - if he gets injured long term again next year then the panic sets in.
In the long run its not fatal to the value of Richardson - played some and now can sit and watch for a season - if he gets injured long term again next year then the panic sets in.
Its a draft pick that didnt work out for sure but as a FF quarterback he was anything BUT a bust. Injuries can happen to anyone but unless you called him a bust before the season because you thought he would get injured to much to hold value you dont get to call him a bust because of the injuries and if you are calling him a bust for his FF abilities when healthy then you must have not payed any attention to the little time he did play. I suppose to be consistent you are calling Chubb a bust too right? In the 1 1/2ish game Richardson was on the field he was QB 2 in my league. That is hardly a bust in my view. You know who else looked like a raw passer who was still a very valuable FF QB? That would be Jalen Hurts who was almost benched but then blossomed into being a very good QB when his passing skills developed. As a bad passer he was STILL a very valuable FF QB just based on his running ability/ short yardage td runs.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You think Arich should be held in the same breath as Nick Chubb
Interesting POV for sure and doing a QB/RB comparison, a Rookie vs a seasoned Vet, the similarities are striking for sure
Thanks and Cheers!
You are smart enough to know that wasnt my point at all so why be so obviously disingenuous? I would gladly discuss it with someone operating in good faith but that obviously isnt you.. Have a good day.
massraider
Footballguy
It's a bummer more people cannot spot this stuff early, like you did.
Like that time you cut CJ Stroud before the season to make room for Russell Wilson.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dammit.
It's a bummer more people cannot spot this stuff early, like you did.
Like that time you cut
CJ Stroud
before the season to make room for
Russell Wilson
.
Dont worry. If Stroud gets seriously injured (not wishing injury on anybody any time) MOP will be around and claim Stroud was a bust and he was a genius to pick up a healthy Wilson instead.It's a bummer more people cannot spot this stuff early, like you did.
Like that time you cut CJ Stroud before the season to make room for Russell Wilson.
habsfan
Footballguy
Seeking out altercations with large men who hit people for a living is definitely a "betting against the house" situation.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
4 games as a rookie where he didn't finish many of them and you label him a stud?
I don't understand why ARich investors and admirers are so enamored with this guy.
3 Passing TDs in 4 games is Stud? Giants think so, they paid Daniel Jones $160M and he threw 15 TDs in 2022, that's about the pace here
4 rush TDs while the #1 RB in football was on IR and fighting with the owner and you say Stud?
Really? Seriously? We always have good heated exchanges
I started a whole thread on him and the entire QB style you seem to love, I hope you stop by.
LawFitz
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Dammit. Now one of my redraft teams is being piloted by Jordan Love, C.J. Stroud, and Matthew Stafford, which costs me at least one bench player I could be storing. (Because I can't trust the first-year guys to really be excellent and consistent.)
Max Power
Footballguy
I'm pretty bummed out by this news. I was very Anti- ARich for his draft capital over the offseason. I felt too many people were chasing Justin Fields type rushing yards with him and he would be too raw to produce any FF value for at least a couple years.
I really liked what I saw when he was healthy and feel I underestimated him due to college production. The injury prone label is a real thing and I still think its too early for that to stick, but the season ending surgery makes this a real concern.
I hope to see him make a full recovery because he was fun to watch. Tough call for the Colts though trying to build around him right now.
As far as his Dynasty Value, he is a firm hold. I wouldn't sell if I owned him and wouldn't buy if I didn't.
I really liked what I saw when he was healthy and feel I underestimated him due to college production. The injury prone label is a real thing and I still think its too early for that to stick, but the season ending surgery makes this a real concern.
I hope to see him make a full recovery because he was fun to watch. Tough call for the Colts though trying to build around him right now.
As far as his Dynasty Value, he is a firm hold. I wouldn't sell if I owned him and wouldn't buy if I didn't.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I think it is 100% clear he will be a perennial top 5 fantasy QB if healthy. His ceiling is still so dang high.
I really hope he stays healthy.
FYI, I sold him in dynasty a week ago as I'm contending and I was able to get Lamar Jackson in the deal. I'm not a huge believer in the "injury prone" label, but he needs to get better about the hits he does take, developing skills to minimize impact. His arm talent and legs are both phenomenal. We saw enough that I have no long term worries about his accuracy IMO. And he's got the right work ethic and isn't a knuckle head. I mean, I just really hope he's able to give us many healthy seasons in his future because it'll be amazing to watch.
I really hope he stays healthy.
FYI, I sold him in dynasty a week ago as I'm contending and I was able to get Lamar Jackson in the deal. I'm not a huge believer in the "injury prone" label, but he needs to get better about the hits he does take, developing skills to minimize impact. His arm talent and legs are both phenomenal. We saw enough that I have no long term worries about his accuracy IMO. And he's got the right work ethic and isn't a knuckle head. I mean, I just really hope he's able to give us many healthy seasons in his future because it'll be amazing to watch.
smcindoe
Footballguy
Where do we think he'll rank in redraft next year? Is he a top 10 QB based on the upside he showed when healthy, or is he another tier down because we haven't seen enough?
(I'm thinking the context of keeper leagues where some of us have to figure out whether it's worth it to carry him all year. No point burning a roster spot on next year's QB15 but at some point it's worth considering.)
(I'm thinking the context of keeper leagues where some of us have to figure out whether it's worth it to carry him all year. No point burning a roster spot on next year's QB15 but at some point it's worth considering.)
Todem
Footballguy
He will/could be the David Boston of QB’s.
Love the talent like all of you but my biggest concern was his injury history and here it is in the NFL too.
If he stays healthy he will be a FF stud for 4-5 years before his body quits.
Cam Newton is a perfect comparison. There was a 3 year stretch when Cam was dominating and then that was it. He took so much punishment.
The red flag here is….he only got through 4 games and 3 of them he left early. Correct me if it was 4/4.
Anyway….all world talent with one big question mark.
And while his accuracy is also a concern…that can be fixed. Getting hurt all the time cannot.
Love the talent like all of you but my biggest concern was his injury history and here it is in the NFL too.
If he stays healthy he will be a FF stud for 4-5 years before his body quits.
Cam Newton is a perfect comparison. There was a 3 year stretch when Cam was dominating and then that was it. He took so much punishment.
The red flag here is….he only got through 4 games and 3 of them he left early. Correct me if it was 4/4.
Anyway….all world talent with one big question mark.
And while his accuracy is also a concern…that can be fixed. Getting hurt all the time cannot.
jtd13
Footballguy
I was honestly surprised at how he looked as a passer right out the gate. I didn't watch much in college but figured he was more rookie Malik Willis as a passer based on what I had heard. He was obviously not Stroud in that regard, but he was more competent than I expected.
Truebluey
Footballguy
I was hoping to see this, that he was back on the sidelines and watching and learning.Bittersweet to see AR’s thread bumped up to think about what could have been this year.
Did wonders for Mahomes. Here's to a big 2024!!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
…and to all a good night.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Geno got hurt on that sack.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
It’s Thanksgiving. Hot Sauce man can post wherever he likes
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Whisky wasn’t working, too much foods in my belly.
Switched to tequila, finally feeling that warm buzzz
Switched to tequila, finally feeling that warm buzzz
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
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fatness
Footballguy
Peeing your pants --- cool.
Peeing someone else's pants --- not cool.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Look at this guy, he doesn't pee in his girlfriend's panties!
On a serious note can't wait for next year to watch AR play. Hopefully he can stay healthy.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He needs to learn how to protect his body on runs, or just going down in general.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Richardson could go 2 ways - being able to play a bit and also take mostly a redshirt year this season to learn could be huge for his development.
However, if he gets another season ending injury next year his value will plummet and could be looking at the next Trey Lance
However, if he gets another season ending injury next year his value will plummet and could be looking at the next Trey Lance
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Be careful, I did the comparison to Trey Lance immediately and got heckled all summer and even got roasted for letting CJ Stroud go as my QB2 before the season opener even though i got him back on waivers pretty quick. And I have a long bread crumb trail in the Houston Texans thread, I've been talking about CJStroud as the prize in the '23 Draft for quite some time.
-I never hung around the off season much after the Super Bowl and then after the Draft I like to take a long NFL break before camps open and whatnot.
You can tell, I don't play Dynasty, used to and prefer Redraft. But last year I was kind of intrigued by a lot of off season things and stayed around much of the off season and we have quite a different vibe around here in March thru July I would say
My big beef were folks pimping ARich as a top 10 QB in Redraft as a Rookie...that some serious cheeba that folks were smoking.
I agree with @Todem about his body giving out after 4-5 years, especially if he gets banged up again which he will because he's not a Quarterback, he prefers to make plays with his legs.
I've had Jalen Hurts all season, he's been injured but he looks so slow when he's running around right now. And he took Philly all the way to the SB last year.
People that don't think I like mobility are fooling themselves, I can see what a mobile QB offers but I don't see the accurate arm yet and that is what wins games.
There is a disconnect here somewhere that revolves around ARich being a Top 5 FF QB and an actual NFL Top 5 Quarterback
For years I had to listen to how great Russ Wilson was because he was decent in FF but you knew once they paid him that he could not carry the Seahawks to a Super Bowl
I know ARich will have some weeks and on those weeks his supporters are going to blare trumpets but he also might lose his job next year if he doesn't produce wins.
Is ARich really a Top 5-10 Quarterback in the NFL? i like your Trey Lance comparison Kid but I caution you comparing him to Trey Lance, nobody with a long term investment around here wants to hear that.
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