zamboni
Footballguy
He indeed did look good down the stretch, but in his age 29 season, have to think they’ll bring in a thunder replacement either in FA or the draft to replace Dillon (UFA) keep Jones fresh.
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RB Aaron Jones, MIN (5 Viewers)
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FarFromHome
Footballguy
It's unfair what the NFL RB landscape has become. If an NFL wr just had 5 straight 100 yard games down the stretch and into the playoffs that wr would get paid. Instead. It's a RB. Hell, he could get replaced. Smh.
It's idiotic he isn't used more. It's clear he's electric and this is what happens when given the ball.
After this, you'd think Lafleur would stop tinkering around with Dillon or other so much. Especially now that Love has taken off.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Thank god Dillon likely won’t be back. He’s terrible.
Huge Jones fan, I think he's been a top-5 RB most of his career, but having said that, whenever they have really increased his workload he's gotten hurt. Its probably bad luck more than anything, but its not like its a Dillon thing, or even a LaFleur thing, Jones was splitting just as much before with Jamaal Williams under McCarthy.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Worse yet, is minor dings that linger. I had to cut Cooks (WR) to keep him and his twin Watson only then watched Cooks (wr) put up WR2 numbers the rest of the way while I was surfing the wire for a WR3/flex the rest of the year. Jones was a major cause of a bad FF season.
rockaction
Footballguy
Managing him cost me a playoff spot in Shining Path's Cup over in the FFA. Just brutal. When you started him (if he started or played), he didn't get touches and he was always questionable and not on IR (IIRC), so rostering him cost you a dead spot in your roster. The whole shebang.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Right with you. I had Jones, Watson, and Doubs all year. Spent most of the year grabbing guys like Wandale Robinson at the last minute because it was rare that 2 of those 3 would play.
I serious wonder if some of Jones dominance in the playoffs was his freshness. He's looked beastly in the last two games.
I don't wonder so much as I assume if he had been healthy all year or used more he'd be way less effective.
at 24 can chalk injuries to bad luck, at 29 it's no longer luck
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@cheeseheadtv
RUNNING BACK UPDATE: The Packers are NOT expected to re-sign RB AJ Dillon, per
@TomSilverstein
According to Tom, the Packers also met with Aaron Jones' agent to ask for pay cut on his 11.1M dollar salary.
If they can't reach an agreement, they'll release Aaron Jones in two weeks.
RUNNING BACK UPDATE: The Packers are NOT expected to re-sign RB AJ Dillon, per
@TomSilverstein
According to Tom, the Packers also met with Aaron Jones' agent to ask for pay cut on his 11.1M dollar salary.
If they can't reach an agreement, they'll release Aaron Jones in two weeks.
dmac37
Footballguy
A Jones is my guy. Sure he has burned me a few times with the late scratch injury situations but I'm still investing. Between the way his touches have been limited throughout his career and the way he looked last year, I think he will be a FF RB1/high RB2 for a few more years at a very low price.
SuperFantasyFootballGuy
Footballguy
Suddenly makes sense why they were out on everybody else.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Nailed it.
eighsse2
Footballguy
But how many downs does a WR take to get those 100 yards? Give me 100 yards on 7 receptions out of 10 targets versus 100 rushing yards on 20 rushing attempts. I know the running game has to be there too. Just saying game-theory-wise, the yards per play effectiveness of the passing game makes a big difference in moving the chains.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The suck of the business side of the game. Consummate professional…love Aaron Jones and all he brought to the Packers.
This moment last year sums him up. Wicks had just fumbled and was coming off with his head down. Jones walks right up to him and lifts that chin. That team needs leaders like him…and another leader gone.
This moment last year sums him up. Wicks had just fumbled and was coming off with his head down. Jones walks right up to him and lifts that chin. That team needs leaders like him…and another leader gone.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Down Under
Footballguy
I’d like to see those stats for everyone pre and after age 29 as a better frame of reference.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Confirmed to the Vikings. This will be fun.
theathletic.com
Vikings quickly add Aaron Jones after Packers release
The Packers agreed to terms with former Las Vegas Raiders running back Josh Jacobs on Monday.
theathletic.com
sho nuff
Footballguy
1 year $7million? If thats the total number…not far off what GB wanted him to take?
Did Rosenhaus actually hurt Jones in this? Seems the market was what it was and his agent sold him he could get much more.
Definitely interesting in him going to Minnesota. Glad he found a spot and wish the best to him (but not his team).
Did Rosenhaus actually hurt Jones in this? Seems the market was what it was and his agent sold him he could get much more.
Definitely interesting in him going to Minnesota. Glad he found a spot and wish the best to him (but not his team).
karl.Racki
Footballguy
WOW.. Jones to Minnesota might be a FF steal this season, especially if you can get him past the 2nd round.
beef
Footballguy
If that's true about the $7 GB wanted him at then good riddance. Glad they moved on and got Jacobs.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I would have rather kept Jones at $7m than paying Jacobs almost 2x that for this year.
Jones is the way better back as well (although Jacobs is younger)
I posted here a few times how I was out on some backs and it's worked beautifully timing wise. Jones was one of them so there's the prerequisite background.
Adding an older back coming off injuries that's going to a stadium with new turf sounds like asking for trouble in FF.
I expect he'll do well when healthy. It's a good match. I'm just oddly expectant he gets injured again. Ya ever have doubt gut feelings and it becomes super predictable? Not trying to be pretentious just there's never been a worse thing for NFL players than new turf
Adding an older back coming off injuries that's going to a stadium with new turf sounds like asking for trouble in FF.
I expect he'll do well when healthy. It's a good match. I'm just oddly expectant he gets injured again. Ya ever have doubt gut feelings and it becomes super predictable? Not trying to be pretentious just there's never been a worse thing for NFL players than new turf
beef
Footballguy
I would have too. Maybe draft a RB in the mid rounds and let that play out. Sucks that Jones and his agent liked MN's $7 mil more than GB's, if that GB figure is true.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I disagree that Jones is way better. Look, one of my favorite all time Packers and guys. But Jacobs (on the field) does everything Jones does and is younger.
And Jones has missed quite a bit of time and has not shown to be able to handle the full carries for too long.
I don’t absolve the Packers here. Seems they set a value and when Jones/Rosenhaus rejected them…they pivoted to a new strategy of bringing in Jacobs for what amounts to the same basic contract they signed Jones to 3 years or so ago.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Seems the same contract they had with Jones. Don’t like the dead cap hit…but for more than 1 year, on the field only here…Id take Jacobs due to age and durability.
Factor in leadership and just who they have been…yeah Id live to have kept Jones. But seems he did not want to budge off his number in GB.
Willy
Footballguy
I'm not sure that tells us much we don't already know. I think everyone understands that Jones will not stay in this group if he plays well past his ability to maintain a high yds/carry. For the record here, almost none of the guys listed had a significant number of carries after 29 years old.
I think if we want to qualify this accomplishment it would be that he averages way fewer carries per season than those other guys. Barry did this on 3000+ carries, Jim Brown on 2000+. AJ has like 1100.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
According to Matt Schneidman the (rejected) Packers' offer was quite a bit short of what the Vikings offered, and had more incentive-driven comp.
ZWK
Footballguy
Great get for Minnesota at that price.
Jones has been one of the better backs in the NFL for the past several years, and was as effective as always last year when he was on the field, including down the stretch after he came back from his injuries (he ended the season with 5 straight games rushing for 100+ yards at 5+ YPC, including 2 in the playoffs). Obviously there's some risk with him being 29 and having those injuries last year, but at $6-7M that is more than priced in. And all of the RBs who signed for more per year than he did have their own risks - Barkley, Jacobs, and Pollard are each coming off a down years, Henry is older than Jones and isn't the back he used to be, Swift has never been nearly as good as Jones has been. I think I'd take Jones second out of all these guys for 2024 even ignoring contracts, behind only Barkley.
Jones has been one of the better backs in the NFL for the past several years, and was as effective as always last year when he was on the field, including down the stretch after he came back from his injuries (he ended the season with 5 straight games rushing for 100+ yards at 5+ YPC, including 2 in the playoffs). Obviously there's some risk with him being 29 and having those injuries last year, but at $6-7M that is more than priced in. And all of the RBs who signed for more per year than he did have their own risks - Barkley, Jacobs, and Pollard are each coming off a down years, Henry is older than Jones and isn't the back he used to be, Swift has never been nearly as good as Jones has been. I think I'd take Jones second out of all these guys for 2024 even ignoring contracts, behind only Barkley.
Jones has basically averaged 5 ypc over his career (give or take some years). Jacobs was at 3.5 ypc last year (white was at 4.3 ypc with the same line) and he has never reached 5 and been under 4 in 3 of his 6 seasons. He had the one big season but mostly has been pedestrian
2022 was the only year Jacobs played a full season
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I don’t blame Jones one bit.
That said, I hope he has fun taking handoffs from Sam Darnold and losing 11-13 games this year.
Marauder
Footballguy
This is all true but part of it is that GB never trusted Jones to be a workhorse. Even though Jacobs has missed some games, he still has 1305 carries in 5 years. AJ has 1177 in 7 years. That lighter workload helps your YPC a lot, especially if you're not getting the short yardage carries.
Not disagreeing with you that Jones has been the better back but I don't think the difference is as big as you do. He's also 3 years older.
massraider
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
And Jones has done that never getting the number of carries. I would have lived to have kept him. Loved it even more if he could handle 20 carries a game for a full season. But that isn’t the situation and he is hitting 30.
Jacobs has the speed, power, and receiving ability that Jones has…and is younger and has mot had the QB play or line that Jones has benefited from either. Nor the organizational stability.
he won't be healthy, his body is breaking down
he's had a good career but anyone who thinks Jones is a better back than Jacobs at this point in their careers is smoking something.
