Im assuming these are testimonies. I have heard people describe people seeing many different things while deadYoutube is blocked at my work so i cant shoot you links. Just type in "near death experiences" or "heaven and hell" and you will get plenty interesting videos..DSP said:Im a smug atheistLinks please?LinusMarr said:Before someone commits suicide they should youtube some videos of people who tried to kill themselves, spent some time in hell only to be recesitated. Needless to say they are no longer "unbelievers". I am sure the smug athiest will get a kick out of this post but its pretty compelling stuff.. Jus sayin....
Show me one person who has near death experience and says stuff like this who isn't already super religious.Yes one lady died, left her body and was able to describe accurately a shoe that was on the hospital rooftop. Amazing stuff...
Thank you Curly, appreciated.Glad to hear you made it and are thankful for a second chance. Hoping you find the support you need to keep you strong one day at a time. God Bless.Johnnymac said:I tried to commit suicide about a month ago. I took 35 10mg ambien, 55 .5 Klonopin pills and washed it down with 22 bears and a glass of scotch. I was found unresponsive and not breathing. Obviously I was saved and Im thankful for that. I have two great kids and thats what hurts me the most. Im thankful I have a 2nd chance. What I can tell this board is that depression, especially severe, is a #####. I was not thinking straight obviously, but at the time I didnt feel like it would be a big deal if I died. I have dealt with depression for basically my whole life. My mother committed suicide when I was 11 years old. I was not afforded any counseling whatsoever after she did that. It was 1975 and I guess the times were different. You cant go through something like that and not be severely affected by it. Anyway, thats my story to add.
Thank you Mojo, I appreciate that. Yes, I am getting therapy now. I have had 3 visits with a therapist and one with a psychiatrist. It seems the psych docs dont do much therapy anymore. They are the ones who prescribe the drugs. At least that is the way I am seeing it.Hey johnnymac, glad you are still around...And a to a fellow survivor.Johnnymac said:I tried to commit suicide about a month ago. I took 35 10mg ambien, 55 .5 Klonopin pills and washed it down with 22 bears and a glass of scotch. I was found unresponsive and not breathing. Obviously I was saved and Im thankful for that. I have two great kids and thats what hurts me the most. Im thankful I have a 2nd chance. What I can tell this board is that depression, especially severe, is a #####. I was not thinking straight obviously, but at the time I didnt feel like it would be a big deal if I died. I have dealt with depression for basically my whole life. My mother committed suicide when I was 11 years old. I was not afforded any counseling whatsoever after she did that. It was 1975 and I guess the times were different. You cant go through something like that and not be severely affected by it. Anyway, thats my story to add.
I am guessing you are getting therapy?
I will PM you with my info if you want to talk sometime
I read a book that changed my life, and it discussed this. "How to stop worrying and start living" by Dale Carnegie. Cant recommend it enough. Another one simply called "self esteem" by Matthew McKay is really good.I dealt with depression for many years. After long struggles I got on medication and started seeing a psychologist. The medications have helped tremendously. The counseling, not so much. Essentially I felt like it made me focus on issues rather than accept and deal with my here and now.
After maybe two-three years of visits, I stopped seeing her.
What then also happened was a need to find a focus - something that mattered to me, that I could try to pay attention to, and focus on. Three things fit that - first and foremost, my kids happiness and success. Secondly, making my wife happy. Finally, providing for them - by putting in a full effort at work.
Happily, this has all been successful. My kids and I are closer than ever. My success at work is far beyond anything I've ever known. And because of these, my relationship with my wife has improved immensely. She feels valued and happy.
While I focus on providing for everyone else, I stopped focusing on my issues. I'm no longer part of the equation. My life has value by providing others happiness. There's no concern for me, but for those around me.
I'm not saying it's for everyone, but for me, finding a reason to wake up has made all the difference. I wish everyone the best - there's no easy answer, regardless.
There were a few who were athiests according to the videos and they certainly aren't atheist any longer.JAMES! said:Show me one person who has near death experience and says stuff like this who isn't already super religious.LinusMarr said:Yes one lady died, left her body and was able to describe accurately a shoe that was on the hospital rooftop. Amazing stuff...
Yes the way it is for good established psychiatrists these days is majority just diagnose you and get you stabilized on meds, if meds are necessary. Then they send you to a therapist. There really is no need for a psychiatrist to do therapy. It's more expensive anyway to go through a psychiatrist for what a good therapist can do. Just make sure you are with someone you totally trust and feel comfy with, and really listens to you. Many folks need to therapist hop a bit before they really find someone that helps them and they really like. Good luck to you and best wishes.Johnnymac said:Thank you Mojo, I appreciate that. Yes, I am getting therapy now. I have had 3 visits with a therapist and one with a psychiatrist. It seems the psych docs dont do much therapy anymore. They are the ones who prescribe the drugs. At least that is the way I am seeing it.Hey johnnymac, glad you are still around...And a to a fellow survivor.I tried to commit suicide about a month ago. I took 35 10mg ambien, 55 .5 Klonopin pills and washed it down with 22 bears and a glass of scotch. I was found unresponsive and not breathing. Obviously I was saved and Im thankful for that. I have two great kids and thats what hurts me the most. Im thankful I have a 2nd chance. What I can tell this board is that depression, especially severe, is a #####. I was not thinking straight obviously, but at the time I didnt feel like it would be a big deal if I died. I have dealt with depression for basically my whole life. My mother committed suicide when I was 11 years old. I was not afforded any counseling whatsoever after she did that. It was 1975 and I guess the times were different. You cant go through something like that and not be severely affected by it. Anyway, thats my story to add.
I am guessing you are getting therapy?
I will PM you with my info if you want to talk sometime
Yes, according to videos on the trustworthy internet.There were a few who were athiests[sic] according to the videos and they certainly aren't atheist any longer.JAMES! said:Show me one person who has near death experience and says stuff like this who isn't already super religious.LinusMarr said:Yes one lady died, left her body and was able to describe accurately a shoe that was on the hospital rooftop. Amazing stuff...
Wow, glad you're still with us. Your story sounds very much like mine. Mom committed suicide when I was 11 (1974). Eventually it got to my sister. After several failed attempts she finally succeeded in the early 80s. I've never even really considered it but it certainly left a very heavy dent. I get low at times, certain songs like Far Behind and Crying in the Rain set off little spells of tears. I've been fortunate to have a great wife who understands me and my occasional mood swings. We went to a comedy show last night which was very funny. After she asked if I liked it because I never laughed. I said I laughed inside to which she replied you cry inside too. Which is true. She knows when I need a little pick me up, a little help.I tried to commit suicide about a month ago. I took 35 10mg ambien, 55 .5 Klonopin pills and washed it down with 22 bears and a glass of scotch. I was found unresponsive and not breathing. Obviously I was saved and Im thankful for that. I have two great kids and thats what hurts me the most. Im thankful I have a 2nd chance. What I can tell this board is that depression, especially severe, is a #####. I was not thinking straight obviously, but at the time I didnt feel like it would be a big deal if I died. I have dealt with depression for basically my whole life. My mother committed suicide when I was 11 years old. I was not afforded any counseling whatsoever after she did that. It was 1975 and I guess the times were different. You cant go through something like that and not be severely affected by it. Anyway, thats my story to add.
I don't know why anyone would need to rely on youtube. There are hundreds of research books/studies on this topic. The statement made was this is a phenonena exclusive to bible thumpers, and if someone can evidence that I would be interested. I've read a lot on this topic years ago and recall it was determined in studies that religious beliefs was not a common link to the occurences.Yes, according to videos on the trustworthy internet.There were a few who were athiests[sic] according to the videos and they certainly aren't atheist any longer.JAMES! said:Show me one person who has near death experience and says stuff like this who isn't already super religious.LinusMarr said:Yes one lady died, left her body and was able to describe accurately a shoe that was on the hospital rooftop. Amazing stuff...
I dont think the existence of some sort of life energy or spirit means there is a god. There is a lot of evidence for psychic abilitiesThere were a few who were athiests according to the videos and they certainly aren't atheist any longer.JAMES! said:Show me one person who has near death experience and says stuff like this who isn't already super religious.LinusMarr said:Yes one lady died, left her body and was able to describe accurately a shoe that was on the hospital rooftop. Amazing stuff...
It did seem like the most dangerous part.Johnnymac, glad to hear things are better now.
What did you end up doing with all those bears?
My apologies. The grim reality is, I make darkly sarcastic remarks about family and friends who have committed suicide, as well as my own attempt on my life, primarily out of love and understanding. If I cross a line, I appreciate being told that I'm out of line, as I seem to be here.I would hate for this thread to not remain serious
Meh. Don't ever let someone tell you the "correct" way to deal with a tragedy. Sarcasm and humor are just as valid as any other way of dealing with it so long as it isn't poking fun at the victim(s).My apologies. The grim reality is, I make darkly sarcastic remarks about family and friends who have committed suicide, as well as my own attempt on my life, primarily out of love and understanding. If I cross a line, I appreciate being told that I'm out of line, as I seem to be here.I would hate for this thread to not remain serious
Glad you're still with us, Sheik.TheIronSheik said:Yup. Exactly.Henry Ford said:I'm afraid I was in the midst of the last piece of advice I'll be giving him when the thread was locked, so it won't be posted.ClownCausedChaos2 said:I'm torn here. When someone threatens suicide, you have to take them seriously. That being said:
He's comfortable coming here. Do you take away the comfort zone of a suicidal and mentally unstable person? If you grant that access to him, though, you have to hope that the masses do not pile on.
On the other hand, it's not as this this is the only place on the internet (wait, is it?). Do you release him into the wild to fend for himself?
If he is considering suicide, I hope he doesn't go through with it. Many of us have had family members, friends, and the like who have committed suicide. As I recall, someone whose family I happen to know was a big contributor on this board before I showed up and was lost to depression or anxiety.
If he isn't considering it, I'd prefer to never know that. Bringing that up to get attention or get one's way is unthinkable. You simply have to assume it's true any time it's brought up.
I've both known people who have tried and succeeded, as well as attempted myself. And I think it's pretty insensitive to use something like that for attention on a message board.
Great to hear! Keep on keeping on! Continued best wishes!Hey guys, just wanted to check in and say I'm still doing much better. I have made some major changes, the biggest is no more alcohol. I havent had a drop this year, which for me, is saying a helluva lot. I finally figured out that alcohol is not good for me. I have started to exercise and I just feel much better. It helps that I am back to work and am getting all of this behind me. I am looking forward to the rest of my life.
I also want to thank all of you for the words of encouragement. This board has many awesome people that really do care about other people. So thanks again and I hope the others that have struggled with suicide are getting better also.
I agree with this. I am definitely one of those people who doesn't know how to deal with tragedy. There have been many times in my life where people have told me I was rude or disrespectful for acting the way I have during those moments. But that's never been my goal. We all experience situations differently.Meh. Don't ever let someone tell you the "correct" way to deal with a tragedy. Sarcasm and humor are just as valid as any other way of dealing with it so long as it isn't poking fun at the victim(s).My apologies. The grim reality is, I make darkly sarcastic remarks about family and friends who have committed suicide, as well as my own attempt on my life, primarily out of love and understanding. If I cross a line, I appreciate being told that I'm out of line, as I seem to be here.I would hate for this thread to not remain serious
Thanks, GB.Glad you're still with us, Sheik.TheIronSheik said:Yup. Exactly.Henry Ford said:I'm afraid I was in the midst of the last piece of advice I'll be giving him when the thread was locked, so it won't be posted.ClownCausedChaos2 said:I'm torn here. When someone threatens suicide, you have to take them seriously. That being said:
He's comfortable coming here. Do you take away the comfort zone of a suicidal and mentally unstable person? If you grant that access to him, though, you have to hope that the masses do not pile on.
On the other hand, it's not as this this is the only place on the internet (wait, is it?). Do you release him into the wild to fend for himself?
If he is considering suicide, I hope he doesn't go through with it. Many of us have had family members, friends, and the like who have committed suicide. As I recall, someone whose family I happen to know was a big contributor on this board before I showed up and was lost to depression or anxiety.
If he isn't considering it, I'd prefer to never know that. Bringing that up to get attention or get one's way is unthinkable. You simply have to assume it's true any time it's brought up.
I've both known people who have tried and succeeded, as well as attempted myself. And I think it's pretty insensitive to use something like that for attention on a message board.
He said something about "blowing his brains out", but I logged off after that. The thread is gone now. Hope he was just joking (not funny).Did I miss something? Is Eminence suicidal? I hope he gets the help he needs and hope people arent egging him on if true? That being said I have no clue what I missed.
He's threatened it in other threads, did it again here, and people were pissed about it. Best I can tell, the mods have since deleted everything to do with it, as this is kind of an important thread for people who need help or somewhere to turn. As for his real situation, nobody knows, and he was encouraged to get help by numerous people if he was serious. Best policy: ignore.Did I miss something? Is Eminence suicidal? I hope he gets the help he needs and hope people arent egging him on if true? That being said I have no clue what I missed.
I share your sentiments, and think the the bolded is indeed taking a back seat in this thread.I want to thank all of you brave souls for- not doing this horrible deed, and also sharing your experiences. I've struggled with depression for my entire adult life and hope that if things ever took that kind of turn, I'd remember this thread and all of your brave words (if I didn't remember my wife and kids first).
I also hope that all the endlessly pointless (to this thread) religion/atheism bickering is purged by then.
I was thinking the same thing about the pointless posts in this thread mostly by the banned former members. But I'm glad Aaron listened and re opened this thread especially with the stories that were told and updates made and will continue to be made. This thread was way too important to be closed. God bless you all and may you continue to rise above.I want to thank all of you brave souls for- not doing this horrible deed, and also sharing your experiences. I've struggled with depression for my entire adult life and hope that if things ever took that kind of turn, I'd remember this thread and all of your brave words (if I didn't remember my wife and kids first).
I also hope that all the endlessly pointless (to this thread) religion/atheism bickering is purged by then.
I dealt with depression for many years. After long struggles I got on medication and started seeing a psychologist. The medications have helped tremendously. The counseling, not so much. Essentially I felt like it made me focus on issues rather than accept myself for who I am.
After maybe two-three years of visits, I stopped seeing her.
What then also happened was a need to find a focus - something that mattered to me, that I could try to pay attention to, and focus on. Three things fit that - first and foremost, my kids happiness and success. Secondly, making my wife happy. Finally, providing for them - by putting in a full effort at work.
Happily, this has all been successful. My kids and I are closer than ever. My success at work is far beyond anything I've ever known. And because of these, my relationship with my wife has improved immensely. She feels valued and happy.
While I focus on providing for everyone else, I stopped focusing on my issues. I'm no longer part of the equation. My life has value by providing others happiness. There's no concern for me, but for those around me.
I'm not saying it's for everyone, but for me, finding a reason to wake up has made all the difference. I wish everyone the best - there's no easy answer, regardless.
On that note, I attempted to kill myself once. Suffice it to say that the fact that it didn't work was beyond my control - and left no trace to anyone else that I'd ever tried.I want to thank all of you brave souls for- not doing this horrible deed, and also sharing your experiences. I've struggled with depression for my entire adult life and hope that if things ever took that kind of turn, I'd remember this thread and all of your brave words (if I didn't remember my wife and kids first).
I also hope that all the endlessly pointless (to this thread) religion/atheism bickering is purged by then.
Glad you suck at suicide, GB. Reading this reminded me of when I attempted it. Very similar experience. No one knew I tried. It was by far, the rock bottom of my life.On that note, I attempted to kill myself once. Suffice it to say that the fact that it didn't work was beyond my control - and left no trace to anyone else that I'd ever tried.I want to thank all of you brave souls for- not doing this horrible deed, and also sharing your experiences. I've struggled with depression for my entire adult life and hope that if things ever took that kind of turn, I'd remember this thread and all of your brave words (if I didn't remember my wife and kids first).
I also hope that all the endlessly pointless (to this thread) religion/atheism bickering is purged by then.
I was, in my mind, without hope of redemption, without any idea what to do next, and I was ready to die. I had all of my affairs in the best order they could be in, and I needed the pain to stop. Immediately. It would have been the greatest mistake of my life. The things that have happened to me since have included the greatest moments and memories I have. Not because of the attempt and some need to feel it was a defining moment, but despite my attempt.
If you ever get to that point, I hope you remember something I forgot - that no matter how good or bad things are in life, they are guaranteed to turn around. It will get better.
I'm glad you're terrible at murdering yourself, too.Glad you suck at suicide, GB. Reading this reminded me of when I attempted it. Very similar experience. No one knew I tried. It was by far, the rock bottom of my life.On that note, I attempted to kill myself once. Suffice it to say that the fact that it didn't work was beyond my control - and left no trace to anyone else that I'd ever tried.I want to thank all of you brave souls for- not doing this horrible deed, and also sharing your experiences. I've struggled with depression for my entire adult life and hope that if things ever took that kind of turn, I'd remember this thread and all of your brave words (if I didn't remember my wife and kids first).
I also hope that all the endlessly pointless (to this thread) religion/atheism bickering is purged by then.
I was, in my mind, without hope of redemption, without any idea what to do next, and I was ready to die. I had all of my affairs in the best order they could be in, and I needed the pain to stop. Immediately. It would have been the greatest mistake of my life. The things that have happened to me since have included the greatest moments and memories I have. Not because of the attempt and some need to feel it was a defining moment, but despite my attempt.
If you ever get to that point, I hope you remember something I forgot - that no matter how good or bad things are in life, they are guaranteed to turn around. It will get better.
But like you said, I think back to all of the things that have happened since then and I would have missed some of the best moments of my life.
That's excellent, thank you for posting.
Thanks for your post and for what you do. I can't imagine the things you deal with but am thankful for people like you who give of themselves to help those in the darkest of times.I have been a psych nurse for 22 years. The last 17 I have been on an adolescent ward with teens with multiple issues. It is tough, and that age group is so impressionable, and don't think of the repercussions. Most times, they are "para-suicidal" and are looking for help because home or whatever is the problem.
Last week, 3 of my in-patients made a pact, that they were all going to hang themselves.. They decided to all try it at the same time, to throw off the staff, and create confusion. They almost succeeded, and it was awful, because it was a real serious, well thought out attempt.
I have also been on the other side though. I have never been suicidal, but I have suffered from a severe depressive episode and PTSD that sucked the life out of me.
Depression is a monster, and I can't stress enough, that if you feel like you are struggling, and your mood is low, talk to someone...anyone! Don't hide it, as it can get so bad that your mind will torture you.
I now know, there is no shame at all in admitting you need help. I am lucky to have an amazing wife, who is also a psych nurse, and support was not an issue. My kids were the all the motivation I needed to get better.
I am always open to chat or answer questions anytime!
Parm