GoBirds
Footballguy
My fault, may not have seen his original comment.
Looking forward to some awkward Don/Vlad moments.
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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (3 Viewers)
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Looking forward to some awkward Don/Vlad moments.
squistion
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The Founding Fathers were extreme left for their day and disguised themselves like members of ANTIFA, as Mohawk Indians, to hide their identities in the Boston Tea Party. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/sons-of-liberty-dump-british-tea
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If you're on a number line, from 1 to 100, and you're #1, almost all the rest of the line looks pretty far to the other side.
If you're on a political spectrum, and almost everyone else looks like they're extreme and fringe of the other side, maybe they're not the ones who are way far away from the center.
If you're on a political spectrum, and almost everyone else looks like they're extreme and fringe of the other side, maybe they're not the ones who are way far away from the center.
T-shirt Ninja
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Spending hours a day in here freaking out on what if’s is productive? Let’s see what’s proven in court.....I haven’t seen anyone say they support Trump if convicted. Thanks for another example of the lame insults. In a time where attacks/insults online and in public, driving people from public restaurants/establishments, throwing around ‘racist” to anyone that doesn’t fall in line with left immigration views and on and on has become commonplace the word “extreme” is very fair to use.
dozer
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T-shirt Ninja
Footballguy
Forgot about “there’s no proof that Trump colluded” for a minute. We’ll find that out sooner or later.
We do know that the RUSSIA MILITARY INTELLIGENCE planned and executed a very aggressive attack on our democratic system and, thus, our nation.
We have piles of evidence that this really happened.
It is not “fake news”. It is not a “witch hunt”. It is not “hysteria”.
The Russians really did #### with the 2016 election in order to help one candidate win. Who that candidate was shouldn’t matter one iota. As an American you should be livid that this happened even if “your guy” won.
As I said before, we’ll find our soon enough about Trump’s involvement (or lack thereof) in this.
Right now the problem is TRUMP HASN’T DONE ONE DAMN THING ABOUT IT.
Our nation was attacked and not only won’t our President say a word he sure as hell won’t punish Russia for it, he’s cuddling up to Putin as we speak.
This is treason.
But I guess you don’t have a problem that.
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GoBirds
Footballguy
Save the dramatics, you posting rants in here as “T-Shirt Ninja” is doing absolutely nothing for our country. Let us know what you are doing out in the real world to address this? What did you do when Obama was aware it was going on?
Get back to me with what you are doing in the real world that’s fixing the problem and save your empty lecture as I’m not interested.
T-shirt Ninja
Footballguy
1. Like you, I was not aware of this going on. back in 2016. I don’t have access to the same info as Obama. That’s a really lame attempt at deflection.
2. What would you suggest I do “in the real world”? Give Trump a call? Although I guess I am doing something by voting Democrat come November since it seems your fellow GOPs don’t have a problem with the POTUS betraying our nation.
I’ve also contacted my Congressman...although I know it will fall on deaf ears since he’s so far up Trump’s butt he can taste toupee glue.
3. What have you done? Have you denounced the president? Have you contacted your representatives? Will you continue to vote for the same GOPs who refuse to stand up to Trump?
GoBirds
Footballguy
So basically nothing, which doesn’t really put you in a position to be lecturing anyone? I suggest you let it play out or if you want to talk to people that way be making a difference in some way that gives you the right.
T-shirt Ninja
Footballguy
And 
at the whole “well you’re not doing anything but posting on a messageboard” shtick from a guy with 12,000 posts on a messageboard.
at the whole “well you’re not doing anything but posting on a messageboard” shtick from a guy with 12,000 posts on a messageboard.
T-shirt Ninja
Footballguy
Again...what should I do. Fly to Moscow and punch Putin in the balls?
And you still haven’t disagreed with my stance that Trump is a traitor. Nor have you criticized him for his complete lack of concern for our nation.
You’ve criticized me more than him. Is that your definition of “doing something”.
The random dork with a t-shirt wrapped around his face posting on FBGs is the bad guy here and not the POTUS who refuses to defend our nation.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Let me know when I start freaking out and lecturing others while accomplishing zero like you guys so I can take a breather.
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T-shirt Ninja
Footballguy
You should be freaking out.
You’ve spent time to let us all know we’re not accomplishing anything. Why not take some time to tell us how Trump isn’t a traitor?
GoBirds
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
David Frum Retweeted
Jennifer PalmieriVerified account @jmpalmieri 2h2 hours ago
Honestly, friends, you read an indictment that said Russia stole our data for the purpose of helping Trump & your reaction is to figure out a storyline for why that doesn't matter. IT MATTERS & shouldn't happen again but will if we continue to not take this assault seriously.
https://twitter.com/jmpalmieri/status/1018679154424741890
Jennifer PalmieriVerified account @jmpalmieri 2h2 hours ago
Honestly, friends, you read an indictment that said Russia stole our data for the purpose of helping Trump & your reaction is to figure out a storyline for why that doesn't matter. IT MATTERS & shouldn't happen again but will if we continue to not take this assault seriously.
https://twitter.com/jmpalmieri/status/1018679154424741890
T-shirt Ninja
Footballguy
It’s right there in the titleEnjoy yourself, at least we all know Buckys new alias.
”The Politics Forum. This is where we talk politics.”
The Indestructible
Footballguy
Since he (almost certainly) isn't Mitch McConnell, he probably didn't refuse to sign a bipartisan statement condemning Russia's attacks. link
But more generally, one can criticize Obama's response as well as Trump's response. There are a lot of people who didn't vote for Obama who also disapprove of Trump.
timschochet
Footballguy
I still have my doubts that Trump is complicit in anything with Russia.
The thing is, all of his moves since taking office- from urging Comey to go easy on Flynn, firing Coney, lying about the meeting Donald Jr had, attacking the investigation, refusing to truly confront Putin, etc etc- all of it can be explained by his narcissistic refusal to accept the possibility that he was helped to victory in any way. He doesn’t want the world to think that his election was tainted, because he will lose credibility. He’ll never accept it.
This is the alternative explanation to Trump deliberately colluding, and I have to think that it’s at least just as plausible if not more so. But I still believe he obstructed justice when he tried to coerce Comey and then fired him.
The thing is, all of his moves since taking office- from urging Comey to go easy on Flynn, firing Coney, lying about the meeting Donald Jr had, attacking the investigation, refusing to truly confront Putin, etc etc- all of it can be explained by his narcissistic refusal to accept the possibility that he was helped to victory in any way. He doesn’t want the world to think that his election was tainted, because he will lose credibility. He’ll never accept it.
This is the alternative explanation to Trump deliberately colluding, and I have to think that it’s at least just as plausible if not more so. But I still believe he obstructed justice when he tried to coerce Comey and then fired him.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Trump could carpet bomb a US city and it would be
I love pissing off you left wing liberals!So you are saying something should be done about Trump?
I know it's hard to defend the indefensible but try to make a little bit of sense. If you can't do that the best defense is to say nothing.
You are basically saying, "I love lamp" in here.
T-shirt Ninja
Footballguy
I’m going to try this shtick in the SP
”You guys aren’t accomplishing anything here talking about Joe Mixon’s lack of productivity. Get back to me when you do something in real life about it.”
”You guys aren’t accomplishing anything here talking about Joe Mixon’s lack of productivity. Get back to me when you do something in real life about it.”
ren hoek
Footballguy
His career is littered with abuse. Oversaw tons of it as FBI director. I'm still trying to understand how the IRA's social media posts, which appeared to be more about building marketing revenue than influencing western democracy, rose to the level of a major political conspiracy. You saw the ads, they're a joke. And the timing of the new indictments seems overtly political. Both seem unbecoming for the evenhanded professional we were all promised.
Dickies
Footballguy
"We're in the 2nd quarter, why does Jonathan Stewart only have 3 carries??????"
"Get back to me with what you are doing in the real world that’s fixing the problem"
I agree. The Trump-Russia stuff is definitely weird, but there are plenty of potential explanations for the weirdness.
Maybe Trump acts so favorably toward Russia because they have kompromat on him and he's afraid of doing anything to upset them.
Maybe Trump acts so favorably toward Russia because he really admires Putin and wants to be BFFs with him. Or he really wants a Trump Tower Moscow. Or he wants to keep his sweet deal laundering money for Russian oligarchs.
Maybe Trump acts so favorably toward Russia because he can't stand the idea that his electoral victory might be tainted by an asterisk, and he's rebelling against anyone who suggests that Russia affected the outcome.
Maybe Trump acts so favorably toward Russia because he's a literal Manchurian candidate.
Maybe there are other possibilities.
But two things that I do know: (a) whether or not Trump himself was involved, there are a lot of suspicious connections between Russia and Trump's campaign, transition team, and administration; and (b) whatever is going on, I want Mueller to get to the bottom of it and share his findings with us.
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Bruce Dickinson
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Trump could sign a tax bill taking trillions out of the economy to give to the 1%, start a trade war that takes away thousands of jobs from the working class, preside over an inflation rate that effectively wipes out any wage gains seen over the last year, install a corrupt cabinet that wasted tens of millions of taxpayer dollars and used their power to line their own pockets with millions more, enact a needless border policy that separates thousands of children from their parents with no plan or process to reunify them, and it would be cheers for all the snowflakes that melted in the hysteria.Trump could carpet bomb a US city and it would be
GoBirds
Footballguy
Ha, that’s funny. I commented on not cancelling the Putin meeting and get the full lecture from the latest alias. I’m good but don’t hold back, you all acting crazy is the norm these days.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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sho nuff
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Punxsutawney Phil
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"In a few minutes all of Russia will be able to see through her white pants, and half of her shirt. But unfortunately, the red checkers a obscuring the nips. #$@& whoever designed that stupid flag. Maybe we can take them over?"
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Just looking at the pleading I posted for you earlier there are three other attorneys on there. Even if you think Mueller has horns and cloven feet there are still three other people he'd be asking to destroy their careers and violate their oaths to do what you suggest. He does not even sign most of the court pleadings. These claims about crooked lawyers and the dirty dossier and the biased lovers and the spies entrapping unwitting campaign staff are just awful arguments, they have zero bearing on reality.ren hoek said:
I think your other points, arguing on the evidence, are fine, that's better, I think that stuff can be argued back and forth. But note that stuff will be brought up at trial - assuming someone from Concord actually shows up for it. The point about Mueller & Co. not really counting on one of these companies showing up in court was a good one, but then Concord having demanded trial (and a speedy one. and yes a delay was granted but not an indefinite one) on the back end some actual person or persons from the company will have to show up in court in the US to testify. Who do you think wants to do that? The whole point of the exercise was to get a glimpse at the OSC's classified information, and that has failed.
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TobiasFunke
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A third alternate, IMO the most likely one by far, is that the Trump campaign didn't actively collude in a significant way but is subservient to Putin/Russian interests due to kompromat, most likely criminal money laundering/bribery/fraud that could put everyone involved in the Trump Org including his family in prison. And also maybe the pervert stuff. But mostly the money.timschochet said:
And it explains everything; his attitudes and decisions towards Russia since taking office even in cases where a mild rebuke could give him political cover, the sudden decision to start making all-cash purchases in a business that largely is financed by loans, the lengths to which Trump is going to avoid giving people a look at his books, the fact that he reportedly flipped out when he heard Mueller was looking into his finances and is by most accounts more nervous about the Cohen investigation than the Mueller probe, etc.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
There was a time that American politics stayed on American soil. When US politicians traveled outside the country, politics was left behind and they represented "America". Now our president is standing next to our adversary, unanimously accused of an attack on our country, and he's siding with the enemy. There's a term for that I believe.
And flag-waving patriots cheer. Later they'll tell us how to properly address our flag.
packersfan
Footballguy
We know high-ranking members of his campaign and administration, including his son and son-in-law were. So if Trump wasn't the only logical defense is that he's one of the biggest morons on the planet to not know so many people directly connected to him, including members of his own family, were in nefarious connections with a foreign power to influence the election.timschochet said:
Which, to be fair to Trump, isn't a stretch at all.
packersfan
Footballguy
The country we now live in. #MAGA
Jon FavreauVerified account @jonfavs 12m12 minutes ago
Today the President of the United States blamed poor relations with Russia on America because we’re investigating a Russian attack on our elections that he openly encouraged and benefitted from.
Jon FavreauVerified account @jonfavs 12m12 minutes ago
Today the President of the United States blamed poor relations with Russia on America because we’re investigating a Russian attack on our elections that he openly encouraged and benefitted from.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He might be. But his ego will never allow him to admit this. He'll burn the whole thing to the ground before copping to being duped. So that leaves us with collusion or complete vindication as the only two possible outcomes. He won't admit to being fooled. He can't. His ego won't allow it.
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree. I'm just offering the only logical defense he can present. It's the only one that might have a chance to work and honestly if the defense is "Trump was too stupid to know what was going on" it's not that difficult to think, yeah that's probably what happened. He's that great of a dolt.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
His quote was close but not exact "We have not been getting along very well for the last couple of years".
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
If only we didn't have all of these ILLEGAL Mexicans in this country none of this would have happened with Russia.
timschochet
Footballguy
Trump also has a point in his latest tweet: not about the witch hunt, that’s just silly, but about the “years of American stupidity” with Russia
In a nutshell: after the fall of the Soviet Union, we had the chance to turn the page with Russia. Instead we got greedy. We pushed for most of the former Warsaw Pact Nations to join NATO, isolating Russia, and then we sold them weapons and “Star Wars” ABM missiles, which made our corporations billions, and further isolated Russia. Putin’s rise to power was partially a result of this.
We cant change it now, and Trump’s apparent “Solution” that we should have better relations with Putin is nonsensical in light of all that this man has done, but he’s right that we acted unwisely for 3 decades leading up to this moment.
In a nutshell: after the fall of the Soviet Union, we had the chance to turn the page with Russia. Instead we got greedy. We pushed for most of the former Warsaw Pact Nations to join NATO, isolating Russia, and then we sold them weapons and “Star Wars” ABM missiles, which made our corporations billions, and further isolated Russia. Putin’s rise to power was partially a result of this.
We cant change it now, and Trump’s apparent “Solution” that we should have better relations with Putin is nonsensical in light of all that this man has done, but he’s right that we acted unwisely for 3 decades leading up to this moment.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
That may or may not be true but what is certain is that Trump loves to bash the policies of his predecessors while at the same time praising Putin. T
he fact that he threw in the witch hunt remark in his tweet can only be construed as he either does not believe the findings that Russia interfered with the election or he thinks it should have been swept under the rug to foster a "good" relationship with Russia. Either way it is a preposterous stance to take by the POTUS.
packersfan
Footballguy
Or he knows it happened, why it happened and he wants to discredit any attempts to uncover the truth because he knows what the truth means.
Workhorse
Footballguy
And there it is, from Putin, with Trump standing next to him: "The Russian state has never interfered and is not going to interfere into internal American affairs including [the] election process."
OK Republicans, time for a gut check. Your President is officially putting his trust and faith in a hostile foreign actor over the entire American intelligence community. If you continue to stand with him, you have completely abdicated your position as the party of patriotism. Pick a freaking side.
OK Republicans, time for a gut check. Your President is officially putting his trust and faith in a hostile foreign actor over the entire American intelligence community. If you continue to stand with him, you have completely abdicated your position as the party of patriotism. Pick a freaking side.
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packersfan
Footballguy
Guys, they did the moment they nominated Trump for President. THAT was when they made their choice.
Workhorse
Footballguy
I edited. Those were Putin's words with Trump standing next to him. The point still stands.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
There has to be serious push-back by at least the dems in Congress. And any GOP congressman who doesn't, needs to be the center of campaign this election. "He supported Trump in backing the Russians over American law enforcement". Hammer that point.
