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Oh, well then, I guess we should just drop any inquiry into it. I mean, why care if our elections are not real? No big deal.
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It truly is amazing to see such a high level of certainty (and confidence in our government) from people who usually portray themselves as being skeptical of the government.
Russians targeted election systems in 21 states, but didn't change any results, officials say
Unfortunately, it is not hyperbole. What I wrote is what should occur. The barometer for something like this, sadly, is Nixon, and many actions by Trump, Trumps campaign, and now Barr, exceed those of Nixon. Unfortunately.
Yes, that would be silly. Instead, state voter rolls and the private technology firms responsible for manufacturing and administering election-related software and hardware, such as voter registration software and electronic polling stations, were "hacked."
That was 2017. Mueller (and Rubio) made a slightly different claim. Simply that they were in a position to change voter roll data.
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Everyone that supports and enables Trump is a traitor. No other way to put it.Once again speechless at what he is doingTrump took legal advice from Putin today.
So, on the off chance that we might have chosen to do something destabilizing and provocative which would have forced them to respond, they went ahead and did something destabilizing and provocative which might force us to respond. I seem to remember this play from the '60's and '70's. I would prefer that the script be retired, permanently. Nobody enjoyed that show, except Northrup Gruman, Lockheed, etc.
I posted the same several months ago in one of these threads. My feelings have not changed in the slightest.
So we have at least 3 people that have made a huge sweeping generalization that Trump supporters are traitors but TDS is not allowed here.
Plenty of messageboards if you don't like this one. Can we please quit the constant whining? Add something to the discussion or simply don't post. The constant crying is annoying. Thanks.
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Certainly not. I just think that anyone who thinks all Abita beers are way too sweet should refrain from impairing his cognitive function.
I may have some 30° 90° at home. I suspect I will not for long this evening.
I like this because I relearned something I knew long ago.
Yep, I reported Sheriff Bart as soon as I saw the disgusting claim. Not shocking that Johnnymac joined in. So far no response from the Mods.
Oh a ban would absolutely crush me.
JFC what a bunch snowflakes. I call them like I see them. You dont like it, I dont give a ####.Lol I just can't imagine owning this sight and having to constantly get messages from 40 year old men complaining that it's no fair that someone is picking on them. But you be you.
Which ones? Is there any evidence that it affected the vote tallies, or affected peoples' ability to participate in the election?
You're still reading from 2017.
Tbqh or fair, I think it's fine to argue that people are deranged or insane. Technically I think it's meant to anger people and elicit an emotional response, but if it's not it should be allowed. The point being that the person who is deranged cannot make a coherent argument. They will make wild emotional points, invent facts, and fail to point to anything. Meanwhile coherent, clear thinking folk will point to factual findings, government publications, details, traditional reporting. So judging by how people act online in this way is a good means for considering if the claim is made in good faith.
I can't be troubled with such things. Can you site me to a summary, no more than four pages. Brevity is more important to me than accuracy.
I don't think it's really appropriate, but then I don't think the Trump supporters really know the facts when you drill down on it.
Please read what I said. No frankly I don't think it's appropriate, because it's probably designed (like TDS) to make people upset. I don't think Joe should have to go around playing whackamole on his Friday afternoon to multiple grown men either.
To clarify do you mean that, in your opinion, no vote was changed as a result of the Russian hacking, or that not enough votes were changed to materially impact the ultimate result?
Yes it is and then you can add that despite a very strong economy that President Trump has become the first President in history that could not in 2 1/2 years eclipse a 45-50% approval rating. Tis what happens when you have an inept leader in terms foreign policy, immigration, coupled with complete indecency and dishonesty second to no other President in our history. Yes by all means bring up that subject.
I find it hard to believe any votes were changed but even if so, not enough to materially impact the ultimate result.
I don't think that is appropriate, for what it is worth. I also have no idea whether Trump is a traitor or not. The Mueller report didn't look into a lot of stuff that I think gets to the heart of the Trump/Russia relationship.
Thanks. I find it hard to believe that votes weren't changed as a result of the Russian efforts. there are a lot of people that are really gullible and easily persuaded. But I agree with you that there is no evidence at all that enough were changed to affect the outcome.
I don’t think you meant it as so, but this reads horribly nonchalant toward the prospect and potential success of illegal vote changing. There should be no R v D, pro-Trump v anti-Trump angle to this subject, it is purely American. The Mueller investigation identified and charged actual crimes on this subject and we should not be so “whatevs” when escalating their interference to the level of changing votes; it should be more “even if only one vote, so help me...” I honestly can’t believe we have a working relationship with Russia right now
What? Bold is incorrect and I've seen the fact based argument for TDS laid out many times: See the cell pool thread. There are dozens of examples in there.
"Traitor" has basis in fact. ("X did Y, Y is a violation of law, therefore X is a traitor")
"Derangement" has no basis in fact.
It would be one thing if the people crying "Derangement" actually laid out a fact-based argument to support their cries. But they never have.
