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[jwb]

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indeed it has.Sandwiches thurs/fri (fri the latest).

 

[jwb]

Writeup for my poem for Krista:

The Raven

There's not much I can say here in a technical sense. I'm not a huge poetry fan, and while I can certainly appreciate a good poem, poetry as a whole remains beyond my grasp. It's like seafood or wine - I want to like it, but it just doesn't seem to happen for me. I'm a borderline film snob, and also a writer, so I'm no stranger to highbrow stuff / literature, but I'm sad to say poetry in general bores me.

Except for this one. And I really don't know why beyond "I like it".

I first heard this recited by Vincent Price when I was about 8 years old. I always stayed up late and watched horror movies as a kid (still do, really), and one night, The Raven was on. It's actually more a comedy than a horror film, with Price and Boris Karloff as rival sorcerers, with Peter Lorre as comic relief / the raven. But in the beginning, Price recites the poem in his signature voice, and I was hooked. I suppose the supernatural overtones appeal to me, as does the dark sense of loss. That's about as close to "getting it" as I come. But it remains a favorite of mine, and really the only poem I considered. It led me to more of Poe's work, and I became a big fan, which I suppose is a good thing.

Anyway, that's all I can really say about it. Hope it suffices.

 

[timschochet]

More judging, please.

 

[krista4]

Writeup for my poem for Krista:

The Raven

There's not much I can say here in a technical sense. I'm not a huge poetry fan, and while I can certainly appreciate a good poem, poetry as a whole remains beyond my grasp. It's like seafood or wine - I want to like it, but it just doesn't seem to happen for me. I'm a borderline film snob, and also a writer, so I'm no stranger to highbrow stuff / literature, but I'm sad to say poetry in general bores me.

Except for this one. And I really don't know why beyond "I like it".

I first heard this recited by Vincent Price when I was about 8 years old. I always stayed up late and watched horror movies as a kid (still do, really), and one night, The Raven was on. It's actually more a comedy than a horror film, with Price and Boris Karloff as rival sorcerers, with Peter Lorre as comic relief / the raven. But in the beginning, Price recites the poem in his signature voice, and I was hooked. I suppose the supernatural overtones appeal to me, as does the dark sense of loss. That's about as close to "getting it" as I come. But it remains a favorite of mine, and really the only poem I considered. It led me to more of Poe's work, and I became a big fan, which I suppose is a good thing.

Anyway, that's all I can really say about it. Hope it suffices.

Fantastic. Thanks for this.

 

[Mister CIA]

More judging, please.

Your avatar sucks.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

More judging, please.

Your avatar sucks.

And your deoderant is really not working.I'll have child stars tomorrow.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

It's quiet. Too quiet.

So here are the rankings for Child Stars:

Remember

So- child stars should be pre-teen. Any stuff they did after they hit those tragic teen years just doesn't count. Post 1900 only, please. I don't care if some five-year-old performed for Charlemagne or Kublai Khan.

The also-rans:8 pts - Linda Blair

By the time she turned 13, Blair had small parts in two movies. Not good enough.

9 pts - Jodie Foster

Much better. She had loads of parts in TV shows and some movies. Not a true leading lady star, but doing well for herself. Just not as well as the others.

The stars that just couldn't rise into the top tier:

10 pts - Mickey Rooney

Before he made the really big time as a teen, Rooney was the star of over 70 Mickey McGuire shorts. He was pretty recognizable.

11 pts - Gary Coleman

"What'choo talkin' 'bout, Willis?" The little star of Diff'rent Strokes, he gets credit for the three years of the show that he did before becoming a teen. That's pretty big stuff. He was everywhere. (And his "sister" on the show, Dana Plato, went on to star in a soft porno called... wait for it... Different Strokes.)

12 pts - Tatum O'Neal

She only gets credit for two movies before the cutoff, but they are big credits. She played Addie Loggins in Paper Moon opposite her father, Ryan O'Neal. She is the youngest person to win a competitve Oscar (ten years old) for her work. She also co-starred in The Bad News Bears. Pretty good fame for only two movies.

13 pts - Michael Jackson

The only singer to make the list. He joined the Jackson Brothers when he was six. He quickly became the focus of the group. He really started to gain true star status just around the time he turned 13. If the cutoff were higher, he'd be number two on the list. Being in a group kind of blunts his early child star status because the whole group splits the credit.

14 pts - Margaret O'Brien

Beginning a prolific career as a child actress in feature films at the age of four, O'Brien became one of the most popular child stars in cinema history, and was honored with a Juvenile Academy Award as the outstanding child actress of 1944.

She is most well known today for her appearances in Meet Me in St. Louis and Little Women (1949). She's the girl Judy Garland sings "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" to. She was a major star all through the 40's. I have no idea if it really happened, but she is credited with asking a director, "When I cry, do you want the tears to run all the way or shall I stop halfway down?" She was good enough to do it, too.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

And now the cream of the crop:

15 pts - Dakota Fanning

Ms. Fanning has been a busy young lady. She has scads of credits, in both movies and TV, as well as voice credits for animated features. If people didn't have so much multimedia to divert their attention, she would be doing even better. A really big star in her own right. But there are a few major stars to come:

16 pts - Jackie Cooper

Cooper was the first child actor to receive an Academy Award nomination. At age 9, he was also the youngest performer to have been nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor in a Leading Role—an honor that he received for the film Skippy (1931). For nearly 50 years, Cooper remained the youngest Oscar nominee in any category, until he was surpassed by Justin Henry's nomination, at age 8, in the Supporting Actor category for Kramer vs. Kramer (1979).

Cooper is the first superstar to make the list. He was a member of Our Gang. He is also remembered for appearing with Wallace Beery in The Champ.17 pts - George "Spanky" McFarland

Also a member of "Our Gang".

After his discovery at the age of three, he instantly became a key member of the Our Gang children's comedy movie series and one of Hollywood's stars. His earliest films show him as an outspoken toddler, grumpily going along with the rest of the gang. His scene-stealing abilities brought him more attention, and by 1935 he was the de facto leader of the gang, often paired with Carl "Alfalfa" Switzer, and always the enterprising "idea man." Switzer's character became as much of a scene stealer as the young McFarland was, and the two boys' fathers fought constantly over screen time and star billing for their children.

He was one very recognizable kid.18 pts - Macauley Culkin

He may not have done much before he turned 13 (Uncle Buck and Home Alone are the standouts), but he was really major child star material. It was impossible to avoid seeing his image for quite a while. And he wasn't even annoying at that point.

19 pts - Ron Howard

Little Ronny Howard was cast as Opie Taylor at the age of six, and he already had a decent résumé. Besides playing a truly iconic TV character, he was in The Courtship of Eddie's Father and The Music Man. And then there were the tons of roles on random other programmes. He was a major star not just because of a publicity machine, but because of his talent.

But who can compete with the gold standard of child stars?

20 pts - Shirley Temple

She began her film career in 1932 at the age of three, and in 1934, found international fame in Bright Eyes, a feature film designed specifically for her talents. She received a special Juvenile Academy Award in February 1935, and film hits such as Curly Top and Heidi followed year after year during the mid-to-late 1930s. Licensed merchandise that capitalized on her wholesome image included dolls, dishes, and clothing.

Merchandising. Who knew? She was so popular, her stuff is still collected today.

She is No. 18 on the American Film Institute's list of the greatest female American screen legends of all time

She could sing, dance, and act. Pretty good for a little girl.And now it's time to put on the glitter make-up and polyester and judge the disco songs.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

By the way, I was really surprised that no one took Jerry Mathers.

Mathers was the first child actor ever to make a deal to get a percentage of the merchandising revenue from a television show. The Leave It to Beaver show still generates merchandise revenue today, 48 years after its original production run ended.The original sitcom has been shown in over 80 countries in 40 languages. Mathers has noted that the Leave It to Beaver phenomenon is worldwide. "I can go anywhere in the world, and people know me," Mathers has said. "In Japan the show’s called 'The Happy Boy and His Family.' So I’ll be walking through the airport in Japan, and people will come up and say, 'Hi, Happy Boy!'"

He would have done pretty well.

 

[tish156]

And now the cream of the crop:

15 pts - Dakota Fanning

Ms. Fanning has been a busy young lady. She has scads of credits, in both movies and TV, as well as voice credits for animated features. If people didn't have so much multimedia to divert their attention, she would be doing even better. A really big star in her own right. But there are a few major stars to come:

16 pts - Jackie Cooper

Cooper was the first child actor to receive an Academy Award nomination. At age 9, he was also the youngest performer to have been nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor in a Leading Role—an honor that he received for the film Skippy (1931). For nearly 50 years, Cooper remained the youngest Oscar nominee in any category, until he was surpassed by Justin Henry's nomination, at age 8, in the Supporting Actor category for Kramer vs. Kramer (1979).

Cooper is the first superstar to make the list. He was a member of Our Gang. He is also remembered for appearing with Wallace Beery in The Champ.17 pts - George "Spanky" McFarland

Also a member of "Our Gang".

After his discovery at the age of three, he instantly became a key member of the Our Gang children's comedy movie series and one of Hollywood's stars. His earliest films show him as an outspoken toddler, grumpily going along with the rest of the gang. His scene-stealing abilities brought him more attention, and by 1935 he was the de facto leader of the gang, often paired with Carl "Alfalfa" Switzer, and always the enterprising "idea man." Switzer's character became as much of a scene stealer as the young McFarland was, and the two boys' fathers fought constantly over screen time and star billing for their children.

He was one very recognizable kid.18 pts - Macauley Culkin

He may not have done much before he turned 13 (Uncle Buck and Home Alone are the standouts), but he was really major child star material. It was impossible to avoid seeing his image for quite a while. And he wasn't even annoying at that point.

19 pts - Ron Howard

Little Ronny Howard was cast as Opie Taylor at the age of six, and he already had a decent résumé. Besides playing a truly iconic TV character, he was in The Courtship of Eddie's Father and The Music Man. And then there were the tons of roles on random other programmes. He was a major star not just because of a publicity machine, but because of his talent.

But who can compete with the gold standard of child stars?

20 pts - Shirley Temple

She began her film career in 1932 at the age of three, and in 1934, found international fame in Bright Eyes, a feature film designed specifically for her talents. She received a special Juvenile Academy Award in February 1935, and film hits such as Curly Top and Heidi followed year after year during the mid-to-late 1930s. Licensed merchandise that capitalized on her wholesome image included dolls, dishes, and clothing.

Merchandising. Who knew? She was so popular, her stuff is still collected today.

She is No. 18 on the American Film Institute's list of the greatest female American screen legends of all time

She could sing, dance, and act. Pretty good for a little girl.And now it's time to put on the glitter make-up and polyester and judge the disco songs.

shirley temple is one of my favorite stars!

 

[Mister CIA]

By the way, I was really surprised that no one took Jerry Mathers.

Mathers was the first child actor ever to make a deal to get a percentage of the merchandising revenue from a television show. The Leave It to Beaver show still generates merchandise revenue today, 48 years after its original production run ended.The original sitcom has been shown in over 80 countries in 40 languages. Mathers has noted that the Leave It to Beaver phenomenon is worldwide. "I can go anywhere in the world, and people know me," Mathers has said. "In Japan the show’s called 'The Happy Boy and His Family.' So I’ll be walking through the airport in Japan, and people will come up and say, 'Hi, Happy Boy!'"

He would have done pretty well.

How would Drew Barrymore have ranked?

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

I forgot my summary list.

Again.

8pts - Linda Blair

9pts - Jodie Foster

10pts - Mickey Rooney

11pts - Gary Coleman

12pts - Tatum O'Neal

13pts - Michael Jackson

14pts - Margaret O'Brien

15pts - Dakota Fanning

16pts - Jackie Cooper

17pts - George "Spanky" McFarland

18pts - Macauley Culkin

19pts - Ron Howard

20pts - Shirley Temple

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

By the way, I was really surprised that no one took Jerry Mathers.

Mathers was the first child actor ever to make a deal to get a percentage of the merchandising revenue from a television show. The Leave It to Beaver show still generates merchandise revenue today, 48 years after its original production run ended.The original sitcom has been shown in over 80 countries in 40 languages. Mathers has noted that the Leave It to Beaver phenomenon is worldwide. "I can go anywhere in the world, and people know me," Mathers has said. "In Japan the show’s called 'The Happy Boy and His Family.' So I’ll be walking through the airport in Japan, and people will come up and say, 'Hi, Happy Boy!'"

He would have done pretty well.

How would Drew Barrymore have ranked?

I reckon somewhere around the Tatum O'Neal section.

 

[timschochet]

I forgot my summary list.Again.8pts - Linda Blair9pts - Jodie Foster10pts - Mickey Rooney11pts - Gary Coleman12pts - Tatum O'Neal13pts - Michael Jackson14pts - Margaret O'Brien15pts - Dakota Fanning16pts - Jackie Cooper17pts - George "Spanky" McFarland18pts - Macauley Culkin19pts - Ron Howard20pts - Shirley Temple

Thank you. I really appreciate it when the judges do this, it saves me a lot of time.

 

[timschochet]

Rankings (after 11 categories)

175 wbaaoz

168 Mister CIA

168 rikishiboy

168 Tremendous Upside

166 jwb

162 timschochet

160 BobbyLayne

151 DougB

147 Mrs. Rannous

145 tish156

145 Usual21

129 DC Thunder

120 AcerFC

 

[jwb]

Ok, let me start sandwiches. Actually, they are done, save for the top 4, which I need to think about a bit more. But we're in a lull (summer vacations and such), and I did promise these by today, so let's get it going:

I'll start this off by saying I at least “like” every sandwich on this list. There are no bad picks.

I was somewhat vague in criteria, because this is subjective. Here are two things I said that I think are important:

I'm more looking for things that at least have a prayer of being brown bagged to school or work, or at least available in some form at almost any deli / convenience store you care to go to. You can think small / traditional - that's fine. Hot sandwiches are ok, too.

***

The above is what you should/should not draft. Clues to winning..... how much JWB likes it (I like sandwiches a lot - all kinds), and how important/popular *I* think it is.

And with that, we have the rankings:

8 points – Chicken Parm Hero

This one always disappoints me. I love chicken parm, I love hot sandwiches, but for some reason, this combination is just “ok”. Don’t get me wrong – I like it, but I would eat almost everything that scored above it first. It’s also not available in many delis if they don’t fry up some chicken breast.

9 points - Meatball sub

I feel the same way about this one – it somewhat disappoints me (I want it to be better than it is.) Little messy too – not something that makes a great work or school lunch

10 points – Tuna Melt

I love making a Tuna Melt w/ English Muffins – one of my favorite sandwiches for sure. But who brings this to work/school, or even orders one out at the deli? When was the last time someone asked for a “tuna melt” on the office lunch order?

11 Points – Club Sandwich

This one suffers a little bit because it’s not really a deli or a lunch thing – it’s more of a diner / sitdown place thing. Now that’s not a terrible thing (another diner staple will score higher), but it’s also rather ordinary. Still a great sandwich, and in my rotation at the local diner.

12 points – Italian Sub (my pick)

Great sandwich – my go-to when ordering at the deli or a pizza place / sandwich shop. But I’ll ding it some because it doesn’t travel in a brown bag well w/ oil and vinegar. You have to eat this one right away. It's also not as classic as those above it.

13 points – Philly Cheesesteak

We’re going with cheesesteak in general here. Great all-around sandwich available almost everywhere (even a deli that doesn’t do meatball subs or chicken parm subs will usually have some type of cheesesteak.) Very tasty.

14 Points – Rueben

Legendary sandwich. Yes, like some that I scored lower, it’s not really a brown bag / lunch order sandwich, but it’s huge enough to get a one-word name, and can be had almost anywhere. So that gives it a boost. Great stuff.

15 points - BLT

Just misses the top 5 simply because the ones above it are more legendary in my mind (as legendary as a sandwich can be). But an awesome sandwich.

16 points - Bologna Sandwich

A staple of brown bagged lunches everywhere. Lots of ways to eat it - I liked mine w/ mustard and some cheese, my sister liked just mayo, etc. It’s a shame my taste for bologna didn’t extend to adulthood (and I find that’s true w/ lots of folks). But a top 5 sandwich nonetheless.

I have to think about the top 4 a bit more. But if you're still here, then congrats - you definitely picked a great sandwich.

 

[Professor S]

Will get my judgment in this weekend. I finally actually have time to do the write ups they deserve.

 

[Mister CIA]

15 points - BLT

Just misses the top 5 simply because the ones above it are more legendary in my mind (as legendary as a sandwich can be). But an awesome sandwich.

16 points - Bologna Sandwich

A staple of brown bagged lunches everywhere. Lots of ways to eat it - I liked mine w/ mustard and some cheese, my sister liked just mayo, etc. It’s a shame my taste for bologna didn’t extend to adulthood (and I find that’s true w/ lots of folks). But a top 5 sandwich nonetheless.

Great sentiment for a pop culture draft, but I'm pretty sure a BLT is far greater than a bologna sandwich.

 

[jwb]

15 points - BLT

Just misses the top 5 simply because the ones above it are more legendary in my mind (as legendary as a sandwich can be). But an awesome sandwich.

16 points - Bologna Sandwich

A staple of brown bagged lunches everywhere. Lots of ways to eat it - I liked mine w/ mustard and some cheese, my sister liked just mayo, etc. It’s a shame my taste for bologna didn’t extend to adulthood (and I find that’s true w/ lots of folks). But a top 5 sandwich nonetheless.

Great sentiment for a pop culture draft, but I'm pretty sure a BLT is far greater than a bologna sandwich.

I dunno - ask a kid.Yea, I like a BLT better. But I'd likely not bring one to work for lunch.

 

[Mister CIA]

15 points - BLT

Just misses the top 5 simply because the ones above it are more legendary in my mind (as legendary as a sandwich can be). But an awesome sandwich.

16 points - Bologna Sandwich

A staple of brown bagged lunches everywhere. Lots of ways to eat it - I liked mine w/ mustard and some cheese, my sister liked just mayo, etc. It’s a shame my taste for bologna didn’t extend to adulthood (and I find that’s true w/ lots of folks). But a top 5 sandwich nonetheless.

Great sentiment for a pop culture draft, but I'm pretty sure a BLT is far greater than a bologna sandwich.

I dunno - ask a kid.Yea, I like a BLT better. But I'd likely not bring one to work for lunch.

I'd likely not eat a bologna sandwich if a BLT was an option.

 

[jwb]

Let's finish up sandwiches after some more thought:

17 points - Grilled Cheese

Loves me some grilled cheese. My wife makes a killer one, too. It's a great sandwich, and is one of the better ones to make at home, but nobody is probably bringing this one to lunch.

18 points – Pastrami on Rye

I’m a NY’er, so maybe I’m a bit biased. But this is a spectacularly good sandwich. Put some spicy mustard on it... mmmmmm.

19 points – PB&J

Do I have to say anything about this one? For me, it's still a fine lunch when the cold cuts are four days old... Use JIF Crunchy, please.

20 Points – Ham and Cheese

This is the quintessential American sandwich, and never, ever disappoints. Mustard, mayo, swiss, American, cheddar – whatever – it’s all good.

 

[jwb]

15 points - BLT

Just misses the top 5 simply because the ones above it are more legendary in my mind (as legendary as a sandwich can be). But an awesome sandwich.

16 points - Bologna Sandwich

A staple of brown bagged lunches everywhere. Lots of ways to eat it - I liked mine w/ mustard and some cheese, my sister liked just mayo, etc. It’s a shame my taste for bologna didn’t extend to adulthood (and I find that’s true w/ lots of folks). But a top 5 sandwich nonetheless.

Great sentiment for a pop culture draft, but I'm pretty sure a BLT is far greater than a bologna sandwich.

I dunno - ask a kid.Yea, I like a BLT better. But I'd likely not bring one to work for lunch.

I'd likely not eat a bologna sandwich if a BLT was an option.

me neither - now, anyway. But I have to give some props to something we all probably brought to school.

 

[jwb]

final sandwich rankings:

8 points – Chicken Parm Hero

9 points - Meatball sub

10 points – Tuna Melt

11 Points – Club Sandwich

12 points – Italian Sub (my pick)

13 points – Philly Cheesesteak

14 Points – Rueben

15 points - BLT

16 points - Bologna Sandwich

17 points - Grilled Cheese

18 points – Pastrami on Rye

19 points – PB&J

20 Points – Ham and Cheese

 

[jwb]

some notable unpicked sandwiches:

chicken salad / egg salad (egg salad would have done fairly well - probably around BLT level)

Ham, egg and cheese on a roll (would have done well also)

fluffernutter (wouldn't have done all that well, but might have gotten a few points based on how incredibly tasty it is.... for a few bites, anyway)

Roast beef sandwich / french dip - probably would have finished around the Italian sub territory.

 

[Mister CIA]

15 points - BLT

Just misses the top 5 simply because the ones above it are more legendary in my mind (as legendary as a sandwich can be). But an awesome sandwich.

16 points - Bologna Sandwich

A staple of brown bagged lunches everywhere. Lots of ways to eat it - I liked mine w/ mustard and some cheese, my sister liked just mayo, etc. It’s a shame my taste for bologna didn’t extend to adulthood (and I find that’s true w/ lots of folks). But a top 5 sandwich nonetheless.

Great sentiment for a pop culture draft, but I'm pretty sure a BLT is far greater than a bologna sandwich.

I dunno - ask a kid.Yea, I like a BLT better. But I'd likely not bring one to work for lunch.

I'd likely not eat a bologna sandwich if a BLT was an option.

me neither - now, anyway. But I have to give some props to something we all probably brought to school.

Most of the sandwiches I brought to school were not very good. Thanks Mom!

 

[Mister CIA]

final sandwich rankings:8 points – Chicken Parm Hero9 points - Meatball sub10 points – Tuna Melt11 Points – Club Sandwich12 points – Italian Sub (my pick)13 points – Philly Cheesesteak14 Points – Rueben15 points - BLT16 points - Bologna Sandwich17 points - Grilled Cheese18 points – Pastrami on Rye19 points – PB&J20 Points – Ham and Cheese

In no particular order, my top three from above would be BLT, Rueben, and pastrami on rye.

 

[BobbyLayne]

final sandwich rankings:

8 points – Chicken Parm Hero

9 points - Meatball sub

10 points – Tuna Melt

11 Points – Club Sandwich

12 points – Italian Sub (my pick)

13 points – Philly Cheesesteak

14 Points – Rueben

15 points - BLT

16 points - Bologna Sandwich

17 points - Grilled Cheese

18 points – Pastrami on Rye

19 points – PB&J

20 Points – Ham and Cheese

You need to go find five fat guys who will sit around on Saturday and eat your way through the re-rankings. NFW does Bologna deserve to be that high.OK, that's about all the outrage I got. Nice job and thanks for doing the thankless.

I'll try to know knock out one or two categories on Sunday.

ETA: I swear one day I'm going to throw this phone against the plaster of paris wall, and after it shatters, take a friggin' claw hammer to it until it's 150 pieces. ###### ####### autocorrect.

 

[krista4]

Huh. I totally agree with the sandwich rankings...if you completely reversed them. I guess on the basis of the criteria, the rankings make sense, though. Deliciousness had absolutely no part in this. :(

 

[timschochet]

Wow, I selected the 20 pointer- for Usual21. lol!

 

[BobbyLayne]

Huh. I totally agree with the sandwich rankings...if you completely reversed them. I guess on the basis of the criteria, the rankings make sense, though. Deliciousness had absolutely no part in this. :(

It had to be something you'd put in a - and it had to be something jwb liked and/or thought was important. It's good to be the king.

 

[timschochet]

Rankings (after 12 categories)

186 wbaaoz

183 Mister CIA

180 timschochet

178 jwb

178 rikishiboy

176 Tremendous Upside

173 BobbyLayne

167 DougB

165 Usual21

156 Mrs. Rannous

154 tish156

143 DC Thunder

137 AcerFC

 

[krista4]

Rankings (after 12 categories)

186 wbaaoz

183 Mister CIA

180 timschochet

178 jwb

178 rikishiboy

176 Tremendous Upside

173 BobbyLayne

167 DougB

165 Usual21

156 Mrs. Rannous

154 tish156

143 DC Thunder

137 AcerFC

WTG, rookie!

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Those sandwich rankings are awful. No offense, but likely the worst judged category I have ever seen.

 

[Mister CIA]

Huh. I totally agree with the sandwich rankings...if you completely reversed them. I guess on the basis of the criteria, the rankings make sense, though. Deliciousness had absolutely no part in this. :(

If I were the sandwich judge, I would have fasted for 48 hours before ranking. :SpiritOfCharvik:ETA: In JWB's defense, fried bologna slathered in mustard on lightly toasted Wonder bread would rank high.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Those sandwich rankings are awful. No offense, but likely the worst judged category I have ever seen.

I don't think you ever saw "my friend Jim who doesn't have access to the internet" ranking the 1970s NBAers.

 

[Corky]

I think the 'brown bag' factor skewed the sandwich results unfairly. A great sandwich is not necessarily brown bag friendly. The results aren't exactly reversed...but they're certainly altered.

 

[krista4]

I think the 'brown bag' factor skewed the sandwich results unfairly. A great sandwich is not necessarily brown bag friendly. The results aren't exactly reversed...but they're certainly altered.

I also think the "is this at your local deli" was a bit off. I never, ever see a cheesesteak at a deli, but a club or a tuna melt is always there. And I see people ordering a tuna melt all the time.Just seems like deliciousness should have been more important, but again given that the criteria were set out in advance it might be hard to complain. I do remember thinking, and nearly posting, that the "ham and cheese" selection was terrible. 20 points terrible, I guess.

 

[timschochet]

Those sandwich rankings are awful. No offense, but likely the worst judged category I have ever seen.

I don't think you ever saw "my friend Jim who doesn't have access to the internet" ranking the 1970s NBAers.

Hey now. He tried.

 

[Frostillicus]

I think the 'brown bag' factor skewed the sandwich results unfairly. A great sandwich is not necessarily brown bag friendly. The results aren't exactly reversed...but they're certainly altered.

I also think the "is this at your local deli" was a bit off. I never, ever see a cheesesteak at a deli, but a club or a tuna melt is always there. And I see people ordering a tuna melt all the time.Just seems like deliciousness should have been more important, but again given that the criteria were set out in advance it might be hard to complain. I do remember thinking, and nearly posting, that the "ham and cheese" selection was terrible. 20 points terrible, I guess.

If you were starting a sandwich shop that had to server all of america of all ages and you could only go one sandwich at a time it's not that far off.

 

[timschochet]

I think the 'brown bag' factor skewed the sandwich results unfairly. A great sandwich is not necessarily brown bag friendly. The results aren't exactly reversed...but they're certainly altered.

I also think the "is this at your local deli" was a bit off. I never, ever see a cheesesteak at a deli, but a club or a tuna melt is always there. And I see people ordering a tuna melt all the time.Just seems like deliciousness should have been more important, but again given that the criteria were set out in advance it might be hard to complain. I do remember thinking, and nearly posting, that the "ham and cheese" selection was terrible. 20 points terrible, I guess.

It's consistently considered the most popular sandwich in America. I've never ordered one myself, in the entire history of my life.

 

[krista4]

I think the 'brown bag' factor skewed the sandwich results unfairly. A great sandwich is not necessarily brown bag friendly. The results aren't exactly reversed...but they're certainly altered.

I also think the "is this at your local deli" was a bit off. I never, ever see a cheesesteak at a deli, but a club or a tuna melt is always there. And I see people ordering a tuna melt all the time.Just seems like deliciousness should have been more important, but again given that the criteria were set out in advance it might be hard to complain. I do remember thinking, and nearly posting, that the "ham and cheese" selection was terrible. 20 points terrible, I guess.

It's consistently considered the most popular sandwich in America. I've never ordered one myself, in the entire history of my life.

LINK!!!!!!!!!!!????????????Sorry, just wanted to seem all Paterno-thread-like.

 

[krista4]

I think the 'brown bag' factor skewed the sandwich results unfairly. A great sandwich is not necessarily brown bag friendly. The results aren't exactly reversed...but they're certainly altered.

I also think the "is this at your local deli" was a bit off. I never, ever see a cheesesteak at a deli, but a club or a tuna melt is always there. And I see people ordering a tuna melt all the time.Just seems like deliciousness should have been more important, but again given that the criteria were set out in advance it might be hard to complain. I do remember thinking, and nearly posting, that the "ham and cheese" selection was terrible. 20 points terrible, I guess.

If you were starting a sandwich shop that had to server all of america of all ages and you could only go one sandwich at a time it's not that far off.

Neat.

 

[Mister CIA]

I think the 'brown bag' factor skewed the sandwich results unfairly. A great sandwich is not necessarily brown bag friendly. The results aren't exactly reversed...but they're certainly altered.

I also think the "is this at your local deli" was a bit off. I never, ever see a cheesesteak at a deli, but a club or a tuna melt is always there. And I see people ordering a tuna melt all the time.Just seems like deliciousness should have been more important, but again given that the criteria were set out in advance it might be hard to complain. I do remember thinking, and nearly posting, that the "ham and cheese" selection was terrible. 20 points terrible, I guess.

If you were starting a sandwich shop that had to server all of america of all ages and you could only go one sandwich at a time it's not that far off.

Have another Bud Light, connoisseur.

 

[rikishiboy]

Why was what we brought to school a factor? If that was so I probably would of drafted peanut butter and banana.

 

[jwb]

Huh. I totally agree with the sandwich rankings...if you completely reversed them. I guess on the basis of the criteria, the rankings make sense, though. Deliciousness had absolutely no part in this. :(

No, it did a little - it broke ties, etc. But I definitely gave lots of weight to common / popular / etc. In retrospect, maybe different criteria would have been better (what I find delicious), etc. Italian sub would have won, then, with Pastrami second, and club sandwich third. Rueben would have finished dead last (hate russian dressing).But I did them the way I did them to prevent it from being just what I thought (which I think is unfair) - I tried to make it more common (Frostillicus had a good observation on this.)

And hey, I still eat a lot of ham and cheese sandwiches, w/ mayo and some sweet chili sauce Probably one of my favorite lunches.

 

[jwb]

Why was what we brought to school a factor? If that was so I probably would of drafted peanut butter and banana.

Seems like some don't like this part, but it was in the criteria on page 1 from the very beginning. I could have been talked into changing my mind back then for sure, but once picks are made, that's that.your PBB sandwich would have done somewhat decently (more for the novelty factor than flat-out popularity. But there was always a few kids who brought this.)

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

some notable unpicked sandwiches:chicken salad / egg salad (egg salad would have done fairly well - probably around BLT level)Ham, egg and cheese on a roll (would have done well also)fluffernutter (wouldn't have done all that well, but might have gotten a few points based on how incredibly tasty it is.... for a few bites, anyway)Roast beef sandwich / french dip - probably would have finished around the Italian sub territory.

Bringing an egg salad sandwich to school is just gross. That stuff does not age well.

 

[simey]

Rueben would have finished dead last (hate russian dressing).

I find that most places put thousand island dressing on reubens instead of russian. I usually (but not always) ask to leave the dressing off, and substitute it with spicey mustard.

 

[DCThunder]

It's Reuben. And since you can spell the name, it automatically should get 5 more points.

And the "brown bag factor" was a total wildcard that wasn't in any criteria, I don't believe...Totally bogus rankngs...

 

[identikit]

It's Reuben. And since you can spell the name, it automatically should get 5 more points.

And the "brown bag factor" was a total wildcard that wasn't in any criteria, I don't believe...Totally bogus rankngs...

It was.