It's like a $40b mass media operation is being run by the FBG Moderator
Please don't.
It's like a $40b mass media operation is being run by the FBG Moderator
I thought I laid it out clearly: speed only works if you have a winning strategy.
Musk has shown this in the past many times. He never hits his timelines. It's his strategies (mostly in how he solves engineering challenges) that have led to his success. Which is why I'm not counting him out. But all the speed in the world ain't doing anything without an effective strategy. And it burns out staff that have other opportunities.
So far his Twitter strategy is a dud. All the speed in the world won't help a company that is alienating its main revenue stream. He knows that and has tried correcting course, but he can't help himself in being a tad messianic (vacillating from "free speech!" to "we're doing better at content moderation!"
It's all speculation. None of us knows. But it's an interesting thought exercise nonetheless.I can't really fathom why any of you would want to take either those circling the wagons or those kicked from the circle at their word right now. If I had to bet a child's life, I'd bet on both those groups lying. Why is always this need to defend/attack socially on these sorts of things. We will end up learning several months from now the truth is likely somewhere between these groups of dopes.
I agree. Brands, a lot of the Musk fanboys and other people doing it for politically adjacent reason but that isn’t a big number. It’s hard to kind of discuss the full parameters of what is going on without talking politics as I do think it’s part of the picture.I'm really skeptical that people are actually going to pay $8/month for verification unless you work in an industry where you absolutely have to be verified to do your job (journalism). I get the argument about trying to cut down on bots, but if most of your normal users forgo verification, I don't see how this helps on the bot front. This seems like a much bigger risk business-wise than tweaking moderation policies.
I'm sure he wishes he could. As you said, he was forced into the purchase. Back in March, plenty of folks (Elon included) reasonably though Twitter had a store of untapped value at $44B.
I do think it it's ironic though that as we all assume the platform is cratering they probably have more active daily users than they've ever had in Twitter's history.
And it sounds like the $8 blue check doesn’t even require verification, just a credit card, so that basically makes the blue check worthless.I'm really skeptical that people are actually going to pay $8/month for verification unless you work in an industry where you absolutely have to be verified to do your job (journalism). I get the argument about trying to cut down on bots, but if most of your normal users forgo verification, I don't see how this helps on the bot front. This seems like a much bigger risk business-wise than tweaking moderation policies.
I'm really skeptical that people are actually going to pay $8/month for verification unless you work in an industry where you absolutely have to be verified to do your job (journalism). I get the argument about trying to cut down on bots, but if most of your normal users forgo verification, I don't see how this helps on the bot front. This seems like a much bigger risk business-wise than tweaking moderation policies.
And I have to think Musk knows this. Part of me thinks he is playing the Joker here and the goal is to turn Twitter into chaos.I'm really skeptical that people are actually going to pay $8/month for verification unless you work in an industry where you absolutely have to be verified to do your job (journalism). I get the argument about trying to cut down on bots, but if most of your normal users forgo verification, I don't see how this helps on the bot front. This seems like a much bigger risk business-wise than tweaking moderation policies.
I honestly keep thinking it will have the opposite effect. Let's say a powerful entity uses bots to sway public opinion in various directions. If there is nothing more to the new check than paying $8/month then what is stopping said entity from throwing a million bucks (annually) at it and setting up 10,000 blue check bot accounts that now automatically rise to the top of the algorithms via their subscription? I guess we will see further details but this new system is supposed to be rolled out on Monday and I could see things going south pretty quickly.
And I have to think Musk knows this. Part of me thinks he is playing the Joker here and the goal is to turn Twitter into chaos.
So funny too because like an hour before that he asked Twitter how YouTube handles paying content creators. So he went from not knowing about the topic to saying they can pay better YouTube’s 55%. OK sure thing buddy.He's been joked about as growing into a cartoon villain for a while now, so it is somewhat apropos.
In other news, this is absolutely intriguing. He's BSing with randos on Twitter about how to monetize video content. The. Richest. Man. In. The. World. Negotiating % of ad revenue for content creators with just random posters. Either I am watching the machinations of a flailing madman or the world's most brilliant business endeavor in the making. Time will tell I suppose.
So funny too because like an hour before that he asked Twitter how YouTube handles paying content creators. So he went from not knowing about the topic to saying they can pay better YouTube’s 55%. OK sure thing buddy.He's been joked about as growing into a cartoon villain for a while now, so it is somewhat apropos.
In other news, this is absolutely intriguing. He's BSing with randos on Twitter about how to monetize video content. The. Richest. Man. In. The. World. Negotiating % of ad revenue for content creators with just random posters. Either I am watching the machinations of a flailing madman or the world's most brilliant business endeavor in the making. Time will tell I suppose.
A different way to look at it:I'm really skeptical that people are actually going to pay $8/month for verification unless you work in an industry where you absolutely have to be verified to do your job (journalism). I get the argument about trying to cut down on bots, but if most of your normal users forgo verification, I don't see how this helps on the bot front. This seems like a much bigger risk business-wise than tweaking moderation policies.
I honestly keep thinking it will have the opposite effect. Let's say a powerful entity uses bots to sway public opinion in various directions. If there is nothing more to the new check than paying $8/month then what is stopping said entity from throwing a million bucks (annually) at it and setting up 10,000 blue check bot accounts that now automatically rise to the top of the algorithms via their subscription? I guess we will see further details but this new system is supposed to be rolled out on Monday and I could see things going south pretty quickly.
botA different way to look at it:I'm really skeptical that people are actually going to pay $8/month for verification unless you work in an industry where you absolutely have to be verified to do your job (journalism). I get the argument about trying to cut down on bots, but if most of your normal users forgo verification, I don't see how this helps on the bot front. This seems like a much bigger risk business-wise than tweaking moderation policies.
I honestly keep thinking it will have the opposite effect. Let's say a powerful entity uses bots to sway public opinion in various directions. If there is nothing more to the new check than paying $8/month then what is stopping said entity from throwing a million bucks (annually) at it and setting up 10,000 blue check bot accounts that now automatically rise to the top of the algorithms via their subscription? I guess we will see further details but this new system is supposed to be rolled out on Monday and I could see things going south pretty quickly.
There are x number of current blue checks who will not want to pay $8 to keep their blue check. There are also x number of current non blue checks who will want to pay $8 to get a blue check.
Think people like Joe, small businesses in your community, entrepreneurs, content creators, up and coming entertainers, journalists, wanna be influencers. All people who did not pass Twitter's previous somewhat arbitrary requirements for a blue check.
Spending $100/yr to have a verified account, half the ads, ability to share video content, boost in search results, ability to edit tweets, plus whatever other perks they come up with down the road could be a solid value for someone who uses Twitter as part of their business or personal brand. The price is peanuts, and likely tax deductible for many.
As for bots, it is easy to set up a bot farm that operates thousands of accounts (China just got caught running 2000 bots to influence the 2022 midterms). Attaching a bank account to each bot account is not logistically possible, that fraud would be caught on the bank's end I assume. Attaching prepaid cards to each bot account to pay the $8 is probably possible for a small farm but no way China or Russia or whoever is taking the time and expense to manually setup prepaid cards and verified accounts for thousands of bots. And who knows what the actual Twitter Blue subscription process involves, I assume it requires a name, email, zip code same as premium subscriptions to Spotify, YouTube, LinkedIn. It would be easier for the evil doer to just create more bots.
It will be interesting to see what Musk does to combat bots though. Bots have infiltrated most platforms (like Instagram, YouTube, Twitter) and none of the companies seem to care, they just look the other way while they juice their numbers for ad dollars and bonuses.
Imagine the person who handles that sort of thing reading that on Twitter for the first time. LolSo funny too because like an hour before that he asked Twitter how YouTube handles paying content creators. So he went from not knowing about the topic to saying they can pay better YouTube’s 55%. OK sure thing buddy.He's been joked about as growing into a cartoon villain for a while now, so it is somewhat apropos.
In other news, this is absolutely intriguing. He's BSing with randos on Twitter about how to monetize video content. The. Richest. Man. In. The. World. Negotiating % of ad revenue for content creators with just random posters. Either I am watching the machinations of a flailing madman or the world's most brilliant business endeavor in the making. Time will tell I suppose.
Sorry, I don't understand. Did you just suggest that speculation is lesser than thought? wtf?speculation <> thoughtIt's all speculation. None of us knows. But it's an interesting thought exercise nonetheless.I can't really fathom why any of you would want to take either those circling the wagons or those kicked from the circle at their word right now. If I had to bet a child's life, I'd bet on both those groups lying. Why is always this need to defend/attack socially on these sorts of things. We will end up learning several months from now the truth is likely somewhere between these groups of dopes.
And of course, none of this action from the subscriptions to the firing of people etc is going to do ANYTHING to help on the "biggest problem" he claims they have to address. A lot of you caught up in the spin zone and clickbait fodder IMO.
No...I said they werent the same (=) Thats what <> means in nerdy code speakDid you just suggest that speculation is lesser than thought? wtf?
Exactly. There's confusion -- largely driven by Musk himself -- about what the $8/mo is for. Whatever they call it, it's not about blue checkmarks and verification. This is just a repurposed Twitter Blue (premium subscription service). Up until now, the checkmarks were a way of guaranteeing to users that the famous people were who they said they were. But under the new system, a blue checkmark is just one of the benefits that comes with a subscription, and as you say, it has nothing to do with verification.And it sounds like the $8 blue check doesn’t even require verification, just a credit card, so that basically makes the blue check worthless.I'm really skeptical that people are actually going to pay $8/month for verification unless you work in an industry where you absolutely have to be verified to do your job (journalism). I get the argument about trying to cut down on bots, but if most of your normal users forgo verification, I don't see how this helps on the bot front. This seems like a much bigger risk business-wise than tweaking moderation policies.
It's like a $40b mass media operation is being run by the FBG Moderator
Please don't.
I would love to see Twitter go the way of the FFA.
While the FFA had its place and time, it is long over.
It's almost like he hasn't thought any of this through...https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...plans-for-twitter-clash-with-eu-content-rules
Interesting read. I wonder if Musk is willing to cut out 440 million European to maintain free speech absolutism. I don't think he is, but I'm just guessing.
This thing, where people are posting as Elon for the lolz, is simply contributing to the things people complain about Twitter.Valerie Bertinelie now tweeting as Elon Musk.
What a ********.
Whole bunch of truth to this. Perception is reality and holding to a stanard instead of a comparison to another flawed person is long gonewhat confounds me in life is people’s ability to readily quote “amendment rights”, but not understand them or have even read them. i think this is ultimately musk’s play here. in today’s world there is no longer right or wrong, there is only them and us. musk is able to alienate half the population because he knows he’ll find another half just as anxious to join him. blindly. he is likely smart enough to know this, lord knows…..i am.
being respectful doesn’t get you noticed in our society anymore….boorish behavior is rewarded and therefore is becoming more of the norm. it has trickled into every walk of society. outrageousness sells and makes you money, so why not become a cartoon of oneself? if social media has done anything, it has further eroded common decency. this country are mostly sheep and willing to follow anything to be part of group. no other way to explain people giving up all privacy to post their lives on facebook. scream at politicians in restaurants, fight on airplanes, fight at ballparks, name call…..all gets you in the news in a good way. back in the 50s, it was all about the only bad press was no press, but that didn’t mean being a total doosh like it is nowadays.Whole bunch of truth to this. Perception is reality and holding to a stanard instead of a comparison to another flawed person is long gonewhat confounds me in life is people’s ability to readily quote “amendment rights”, but not understand them or have even read them. i think this is ultimately musk’s play here. in today’s world there is no longer right or wrong, there is only them and us. musk is able to alienate half the population because he knows he’ll find another half just as anxious to join him. blindly. he is likely smart enough to know this, lord knows…..i am.
$8 seems too high for most users, but way too low for people and businesses who make the most money from Twitter.I'm really skeptical that people are actually going to pay $8/month for verification unless you work in an industry where you absolutely have to be verified to do your job (journalism). I get the argument about trying to cut down on bots, but if most of your normal users forgo verification, I don't see how this helps on the bot front. This seems like a much bigger risk business-wise than tweaking moderation policies.
A different way to look at it:I'm really skeptical that people are actually going to pay $8/month for verification unless you work in an industry where you absolutely have to be verified to do your job (journalism). I get the argument about trying to cut down on bots, but if most of your normal users forgo verification, I don't see how this helps on the bot front. This seems like a much bigger risk business-wise than tweaking moderation policies.
I honestly keep thinking it will have the opposite effect. Let's say a powerful entity uses bots to sway public opinion in various directions. If there is nothing more to the new check than paying $8/month then what is stopping said entity from throwing a million bucks (annually) at it and setting up 10,000 blue check bot accounts that now automatically rise to the top of the algorithms via their subscription? I guess we will see further details but this new system is supposed to be rolled out on Monday and I could see things going south pretty quickly.
There are x number of current blue checks who will not want to pay $8 to keep their blue check. There are also x number of current non blue checks who will want to pay $8 to get a blue check.
Think people like Joe, small businesses in your community, entrepreneurs, content creators, up and coming entertainers, journalists, wanna be influencers. All people who did not pass Twitter's previous somewhat arbitrary requirements for a blue check.
Spending $100/yr to have a verified account, half the ads, ability to share video content, boost in search results, ability to edit tweets, plus whatever other perks they come up with down the road could be a solid value for someone who uses Twitter as part of their business or personal brand. The price is peanuts, and likely tax deductible for many.
As for bots, it is easy to set up a bot farm that operates thousands of accounts (China just got caught running 2000 bots to influence the 2022 midterms). Attaching a bank account to each bot account is not logistically possible, that fraud would be caught on the bank's end I assume. Attaching prepaid cards to each bot account to pay the $8 is probably possible for a small farm but no way China or Russia or whoever is taking the time and expense to manually setup prepaid cards and verified accounts for thousands of bots. And who knows what the actual Twitter Blue subscription process involves, I assume it requires a name, email, zip code same as premium subscriptions to Spotify, YouTube, LinkedIn. It would be easier for the evil doer to just create more bots.
It will be interesting to see what Musk does to combat bots though. Bots have infiltrated most platforms (like Instagram, YouTube, Twitter) and none of the companies seem to care, they just look the other way while they juice their numbers for ad dollars and bonuses.
And an economic system built on endless growth has fueled it. We need more channels, more shows, more websites, more bloggers, more content, more, more. The deeper down we expand, the closer we come to the bottom of the barrel.being respectful doesn’t get you noticed in our society anymore….boorish behavior is rewarded and therefore is becoming more of the norm. it has trickled into every walk of society. outrageousness sells and makes you money, so why not become a cartoon of oneself? if social media has done anything, it has further eroded common decency. this country are mostly sheep and willing to follow anything to be part of group. no other way to explain people giving up all privacy to post their lives on facebook. scream at politicians in restaurants, fight on airplanes, fight at ballparks, name call…..all gets you in the news in a good way. back in the 50s, it was all about the only bad press was no press, but that didn’t mean being a total doosh like it is nowadays.
Musk's messaging on this hasn't been super clear. He does explain the benefits but also tweets/approvingly replies to memes about how celebs/twitter elite are butthurt that they are no longer the checkmark elite. He is definitely trying to partly sell this as the check being status or a way to upend status.This.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but all the wokesters rushing to tear Elon down seem to keep missing the big picture. The $8 isn't just for a checkmark and media accounts will still be marked as verified.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but all the wokesters rushing to tear Elon down seem to keep missing the big picture.
The $8 isn't just for a blue checkmark and media accounts will still be marked as verified.
The same people are mocking Musk for buying a company with bad finances, then mocking him for doing things to improve finances (reducing staff, adding revenue streams). The outrage is a bit bizarre but admittedly entertaining from the sidelines.
He's not getting mocked for buying a company with bad finances. Is that what you think?The same people are mocking Musk for buying a company with bad finances, then mocking him for doing things to improve finances (reducing staff, adding revenue streams).
He's not getting mocked for buying a company with bad finances. Is that what you think?The same people are mocking Musk for buying a company with bad finances, then mocking him for doing things to improve finances (reducing staff, adding revenue streams).
To be clear, he took 13 billion in debt, added that to Twitter's balance sheet, then said the extra revenue stream was needed because Twitter was losing 4 million a day. His exact quote was, "We need to pay the bills somehow". Twitter was not a money maker, but it was not in trouble.
His stripping the company and trying to sell subscriptions are direct results of his historic overpay. Mocking both is not inconsistent.
Musk's messaging on this hasn't been super clear. He does explain the benefits but also tweets/approvingly replies to memes about how celebs/twitter elite are butthurt that they are no longer the checkmark elite. He is definitely trying to partly sell this as the check being status or a way to upend status.This.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but all the wokesters rushing to tear Elon down seem to keep missing the big picture. The $8 isn't just for a checkmark and media accounts will still be marked as verified.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about the Musk-ovites who cheer the chaos and/or root for curtailed moderation.I don't have a dog in this fight, but all the wokesters rushing to tear Elon down seem to keep missing the big picture.
Valerie Bertinelli, as Musk, was retweeting various left wing tweets, and that shows up in Twitter feeds as "Elon Musk retweeted".One would have to be pretty low IQ to confuse someone with 500k followers and nothing but hysterical political rants in their twitter feed with Elon Musk.
I guess it fooled you?
Well oiled machine they are running over at Twitter HQ.Twitter asks some laid off workers to come back, Bloomberg reports
After Twitter Inc laid off roughly half its staff on Friday following Elon Musk's $44 billion acquisition, the company is now reaching out to dozens of employees who lost their jobs and asking them to return, Bloomberg News reported on Sunday.www.reuters.com
Especially when the people doing the mocking a month ago were saying, "he seems like he stepped in it and probably doesn't even want to buy Twitter, really" and the other side in this same discussion was saying "he has powers beyond your puny brained understanding, hahaha who are you to even question this supergenius titan of industry?!"His stripping the company and trying to sell subscriptions are direct results of his historic overpay. Mocking both is not inconsistent.
Elon just tweeted that from now on anyone impersonating someone else without the words parody in their title will be permanently suspended with no warning. Makes sense but is kind of funny in light of his "Comedy is legal now on Twitter" tweet when he took over.
It was “legal”/permissible until people started making fun of him, I guess.Elon just tweeted that from now on anyone impersonating someone else without the words parody in their title will be permanently suspended with no warning. Makes sense but is kind of funny in light of his "Comedy is legal now on Twitter" tweet when he took over.
I don't mean to look 6 seconds in his future or anything, but when you buy a verification with no......verification, then it gets more difficult to weed out the impersonators. Musk knows who's impersonating him, but what about all the other humans?I guess he's learning from his mistakes?