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Yeah, I skipped the article at the time but was planning on reading it this weekend.
I honestly don't think it is. He's got financial troubles, and those are legally very real. The NFL provides him with luxury, which he no longer has.
my main league is partial dynasty (keep 6/7). He'd have been borderline 6 or 7.
That is an excellent question that I have as well. I think a lot of people believe its the former but I am not convinced its not the latter.
Agree and why I think people say football is not the best place for him should try to imagine themselves in his situation and honestly tell me that drawing an NFL paycheck would not what is best for you. If he had a massive heroin addiction where money made was spent on that then I might agree it's not best for him but don't think that's the case. Money is not cure all but it can help plus the structure is generally good for him. Maybe I'm not recalling an incident but I think this was his first failed test in season while active.
I'm more so saying we keep giving guys like Gordon a 2nd chance without batting an eye lash when it's come to the point it doesn't seem like it's working but a player commits a crime or beats his wife you have the people saying he should be gone. You play and represent a professional organization. He's lucky I wasn't in charge of Cleveland because he would've been well gone form the NFL bt now. THat's not to say I wouldn't have had the team help him as much as it could but it gets to a point where someone can only help someone so much before it becomes apparent the person with the issues just doesn't care. Gordon given the NFL guidelines should be right now banned from the NFL for life. It's that simple. The NFL needs to follow their own rules or they have egg on their face again. But we all know the NFL rules are just pandering for PR Reasons. I wish Josh Gordon the best in his recovery but it's time IMHO if the NFL won't crack down on their own by laws then someone needs to tell him I don't think the NFL is the best place for you and your deamons. He might be dead if it weren't for the NFL which is possible true but there comes a time where the individual wants to help themselves and beat it. It's a shame but I wasn't excited with him being back because I knew it was only a matter of time this would happen again.
the terms of his reinstatement were pretty strict, it could have been something "zero tolerance" doesn't apply to and thus they were waiting to hear the ruling from the league.
I can see many sides to this. However at this point the Patriots are a public enterprise associated with one of the biggest well known companies world wide the NFL. One of the issues for me is people trying to deflect some responsibility of these guys with the age excuse and all. There comes a place and time in addiction you yourself need to admit your issues and get the help and keep with it. Yes there's relapses but in a professional setting like the NFL it's easier to relapse. I think the best place for him is leave the NFL for good and get himself into a clinic. Somewhere he doesn't feel the pressure to need to rush back. I think being in the NFL pressured him to rush back more. If Gordon was really truthful with himself he wouldn't have lied to the Browns about his injury or how it happened either. Could he have serious mental issues? Most likely and why I believe it'd be best for him not to be in the NFL. Sometimes people aren't diagnosed correctly with their issues and all. Maybe Gordon didn't have the resources as a kid to get that help either.
The obvious answer is that none of us really know, and we're unlikely to find out the answer from an Adam Schefter tweet.
I don't see anyone making excuses for him in the sense of arguing he shouldn't face consequences for his behavior. I think we all agree he should get a lengthy, if not permanent, ban from the league. It's more a question of how we should judge him as a person.
This is exactly what I was referring to earlier. You may be right about this, but none of us has any idea what was going through his head or whether being in the NFL was helpful or harmful to whatever issues he was dealing with.
If you've got the whole world in front of you, and you keep throwing it away because of booze or pot or partying, I think that's a mental health thing. Like, you're effing up your life and you can't stop it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90YP4ntJUQs
Reminder that, in addition to not knowing about what's going on in Gordon's head, we also don't know (and almost certainly never will) exactly how he violated the league's substance-abuse policy.
Right. He still can't drink, which is legal. We have to assume a lot when talking about his suspension.
There are many, many addicts in the world. Many have costs themselves their homes, their families, etc. I simply feel Gordon doesn't deserves any more sympathy than any of these other addicts simply because he's an NFL player.
I don’t know, man. Read that interview I linked above. This “intelligent and sweet” kid admits to stealing (from kids at school, then cars, breaking into homes), being in a gang, doing/selling drugs, money fraud, shooting his way out of situations, etc. Perhaps the part that really bothered me most (and, IMO, gives a glimpse into his true self) is this:
But he may be thinking "I've got the whole world in front of me. I could be living my life and be happy, but I've been throwing it away trying to appease the NFL just to play football. It's miserable."
100% I get that. I have no problem with people feeling he’s run out of chances.DallasDMac said:
Jay Glazer is the only source I trust.
Yup. Glazer is the anti-rappaport. Glazer only opens his mouth when something is legit. Rappaport only closes his mouth when he's asleep.
Yea, I get that. My post wasn't directed at you in particular. Rather, just a general post.
My statement was in regards to the act of the Pats shopping for a premium WR making limited sense. They had traded for a premium WR under contract who did well so they then traded him, and then half a season later they're looking to trade for a premium WR again. Nothing to do with Glazer or the Gordon signing. That's just dumb GMing.
You're right. I was mistaken. I assumed it was cannabis usage that had gotten him in all this trouble, but I read how he was doing shots before practice and stuff and how he feels he is killing himself. I think in time research will show alcohol is especially bad for concussed brains (deprives the brain of oxygen, c'mon)... whereas cannabis/CBD is actually beneficial (to the symptoms at the very least) to CTE.
Metta World Peace is well known for being vocal about his mental health issues. He had a recent interview where he talked about hating basketball and not wanting to play because "he felt something was wrong with him".Sebowski said:
His problems are more than weed. Reports are that he tested positive for far more than just weed. I've said it before several times this thread. This is the same dude that abandoned his baby and baby's mother to party in Mexico and do drugs with Manziel in the off season. The only reason he came back into their lives is because a court ordered him to do so--and an arrest warrant would be issued if he didn't. He was forced to take a paternity test and only after that did he show any interest in being involved in their lives. This dude also dealt drugs growing up--so god knows how many addictions he created or fed outside of his own in his lifetime. Don't kid yourself--Gordon is not a victim of the leagues substance abuse policy. This is a guy that has hurt the lives of countless people around him. I hope and pray that he gets better and I know it will not be an easy thing for him to do. However--it will never happen if he doesn't learn to love himself, his family, and his friends more than he loves drugs.
I agree. But being late for meetings, flights, etc and doing other dumb stuff (ie injuring yourself at a midnight photo shoot for your clothing line the night before a game) will still be frowned upon by NFL coaches/GMs. It wasn't a failed test that was the final straw that broke the camel's back in Cleveland. Just saying...
"According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, Gordon had multiple violations of the league's substance abuse policy that was more than just marijuana."
Yea, read the GQ article/interview from last year that someone posted. He was doing shots before practice. Gordon has more in common with Justin Blackmon than we think.
Uncool, Johnny. Just uncool. He earned his ring with the bye week. They know. They know.
