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Percy Harvin... Future? (1 Viewer)

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Harvin is a guy I like a lot in dynasty even now. I think he can be a good player if get gets 7 to 9 targets a game. He was so good when this was the case in Minnesota. He then goes to Seattle a offense that is not built for passing. He falls out of favor with the coach only to get moved to a worst situation.

What do others think of the future for Harvin?

 
He would be great in the right system (imagine him in Denver, New England, Green Bay for example). But in the offenses he is in he is a mere gadget player. It is a shame.

 
He's never had a 1,000 yard season, is constantly hurt and an issue in the locker room… easily one of the most overrated players in the NFL.

 
He's been living off a decent year in 2011 and has zero 1k yard season under his belt in six seasons. Not allot to be excited about.He holds very little value now or going forward IMO.

He's another Hakeem Nicks/ Kenny Britt.

Too bad I waited until this season to finally admit to myself these guys just are never going to put it together.

 
He's been living off a decent year in 2011 and has zero 1k yard season under his belt in six seasons. Not allot to be excited about.He holds very little value now or going forward IMO.

He's another Hakeem Nicks/ Kenny Britt.

Too bad I waited until this season to finally admit to myself these guys just are never going to put it together.
Britt has not nearly showed what Harvin can in the NFL. Nicks career has derailed with injuries that his cost him his burst and ability to separate at this level.

Harvin is 26 years old. How many 1000 yard seasons did 27 year old Emmanuel Sanders have prior to playing with Manning? What about 26 year old Golden Tate prior to playing with Stafford?

I don't think you can say Harvin is at Nicks and Britt level.

 
I don't know, but I can't/won't quit him. When he is on he is too good to not want on my team. Whenever he does out together that one season I will be there. Maybe he adveristy this year will be exactly what he needs to light a fire under him for next year.

 
He's never had a 1,000 yard season, is constantly hurt and an issue in the locker room… easily one of the most overrated players in the NFL.
:yawn:

Just like I heard about Maclin until this year.
Maclin was behind Desean his entire career and put up very solid numbers for a #2 receiver, especially considering how he missed a few games each season. This year he is #1 receiver, he's healthy and is in a great offense, so now he's producing as expected. Harvin's been the main guy in pretty much every offense he's been in and still hasn't done much. Why do you think he's been on 3 teams at the age of 26?

 
His destiny is to be a gadget player who often gets injured and regularly disappoints FF owners and is never more than an average WR.

 
He's never had a 1,000 yard season, is constantly hurt and an issue in the locker room… easily one of the most overrated players in the NFL.
:yawn:

Just like I heard about Maclin until this year.
Yep and another year down and he's looks horrible. Maclin Never looked as bad as Harvin. Maclin is light years better.

Carry on Harvin hopeful owner, not gonna happen though.

Diva receiver that sucks. Maclin and Sanders both have class. No decent team is bringing in Harvin.

 
He's never had a 1,000 yard season, is constantly hurt and an issue in the locker room… easily one of the most overrated players in the NFL.
:yawn:

Just like I heard about Maclin until this year.
Yep and another year down and he's looks horrible. Maclin Never looked as bad as Harvin. Maclin is light years better.

Carry on Harvin hopeful owner, not gonna happen though.

Diva receiver that sucks. Maclin and Sanders both have class. No decent team is bringing in Harvin.
You mean a team like the Pats won't? That team who just took a chance on Blount who was released from his team, and Moss when he gave up in Oakland?

 
The Pats are probably happy with Edelman and LaFell, but I agree if there were a need they would make sense.

 
At his current price I"m finding out. The Jets will address the position, and at the salary he's owed if they keep him you gotta believe they are gonna be committed to getting him the ball. If they aren't he'll be a FA and a team that's willing to use him will get him. What's he costing, a 2nd in a dynasty league? Sign me up.

 
At his current price I"m finding out. The Jets will address the position, and at the salary he's owed if they keep him you gotta believe they are gonna be committed to getting him the ball. If they aren't he'll be a FA and a team that's willing to use him will get him. What's he costing, a 2nd in a dynasty league? Sign me up.
I got two 2nd's and a 3rd in the offseason. Glad I got rid of him at the right time.

 
He's never had a 1,000 yard season, is constantly hurt and an issue in the locker room… easily one of the most overrated players in the NFL.
925

975

1312

773 (in 9 games)

I may be missing something, but one of those seasons definitely looks like it was over 1,000 yards.

 
Nice try. Are you including kick return yards too? He's a wide receiver. He's never had a 1000 receiving yards.

 
Nice try. Are you including kick return yards too? He's a wide receiver. He's never had a 1000 receiving yards.
Looks like total scrimmage yards (rushing+receiving; e.g., 967+345 in 2011). Unless your league doesn't count rushing yards for WRs, that's a legit 1000-yard season.

 
Nice try. Are you including kick return yards too? He's a wide receiver. He's never had a 1000 receiving yards.
Nope, that's receiving plus rushing. People want to nitpick that he hasn't gotten 1,000 yards receiving, but his first 3 years in the league he either came really close or exceed that in total yardage.

Notice a crystal clear trend with these numbers? Do you think he just forgot how to play, or do you think his usage is completely different now?

2009 - 60 catches for 790 yards, 15 rushes for 135 yards, 6 total TDs (15 games)

2010 - 71 catches for 868 yards, 18 rushes for 107 yards, 6 total TDs (14 games)

2011 - 87 catches for 967 yards, 51 rushes for 342 yards, 8 total TDs (16 games)

2012 - 62 catches for 677 yards, 22 rushes for 96 yards, 4 total TDs (9 games)

2012 PACE (110 catches for 1,203 yards, 39 carries for 170 yards, 8 total TDs)

Then he got traded to a WR wasteland and traded again to a worse one.

There are a lot of people who are simply incorrect when they say he sucks. He's a DAMN good talent and his career was on a very clear trajectory before he got hurt in 2012.

If you want to worry about his attitude or injury history in 2012 and 2013, whatever. If this guy can get himself into an offense that's capable of utilizing his talents as a receiver and a runner, he can be an awesome NFL and fantasy weapon.

 
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If I remember correctly, he's a FA after this year, right? If he continues to not do much in NY then I think it's pretty clear they let him go. Hopefully teams open up their eyes and only teams that will know how to use him will take him. He's clearly not a WR1. He needs to be on a team and he needs to NOT be the teams main threat.

The problem with Denver, NE, etc is $$$. Although I don't think Harvin will have much of a choice to take a major pay cut next year. No team is going to pay him big money, even the bad ones.

I might put in some low offers in the offseason for him.

 
If I remember correctly, he's a FA after this year, right? If he continues to not do much in NY then I think it's pretty clear they let him go. Hopefully teams open up their eyes and only teams that will know how to use him will take him. He's clearly not a WR1. He needs to be on a team and he needs to NOT be the teams main threat.

The problem with Denver, NE, etc is $$$. Although I don't think Harvin will have much of a choice to take a major pay cut next year. No team is going to pay him big money, even the bad ones.

I might put in some low offers in the offseason for him.
This is the problem and has been the problem. He's not a WR1. He needs to find a situation where he can play WR2/gadget role and he will again flourish IMO. I think people overestimate a teams willingness to alter their offense around a singular player, though. This isn't Randy Moss we're talking about.
 
If I remember correctly, he's a FA after this year, right? If he continues to not do much in NY then I think it's pretty clear they let him go. Hopefully teams open up their eyes and only teams that will know how to use him will take him. He's clearly not a WR1. He needs to be on a team and he needs to NOT be the teams main threat.

The problem with Denver, NE, etc is $$$. Although I don't think Harvin will have much of a choice to take a major pay cut next year. No team is going to pay him big money, even the bad ones.

I might put in some low offers in the offseason for him.
This is the problem and has been the problem. He's not a WR1. He needs to find a situation where he can play WR2/gadget role and he will again flourish IMO. I think people overestimate a teams willingness to alter their offense around a singular player, though. This isn't Randy Moss we're talking about.
I agree.

I like Harvin's talent and he's capable of being a solid WR2 in FF. But you can take him out of the game with good D scheming. But that's not hard when your QB is incapable of getting it down the field (Jets QBs), or if your offensive system doesn't rely on the deep ball that much (which was the case in SEA).

Put him on a team with a good QB and a good WR1, and I think Harvin can easily get 900 receiving yds, 200-300 rush yds, and 7-9 TDs. But it won't happen in NY, as it didn't happen in SEA.

 
Harvin is a guy I like a lot in dynasty even now. I think he can be a good player if get gets 7 to 9 targets a game. He was so good when this was the case in Minnesota. He then goes to Seattle a offense that is not built for passing. He falls out of favor with the coach only to get moved to a worst situation.

What do others think of the future for Harvin?
It's funny that Minnesota is now the good ole days... it wasn't long ago that people were screaming for him to get out of there. I jest... but I get it.

He's never had a 1,000 yard season, is constantly hurt and an issue in the locker room… easily one of the most overrated players in the NFL.
:yawn:

Just like I heard about Maclin until this year.
Maclin was behind Desean his entire career and put up very solid numbers for a #2 receiver, especially considering how he missed a few games each season. This year he is #1 receiver, he's healthy and is in a great offense, so now he's producing as expected. Harvin's been the main guy in pretty much every offense he's been in and still hasn't done much. Why do you think he's been on 3 teams at the age of 26?
Maclin's problem wasn't ever talent. The guy was always injured and there were questions about it if he'd ever be healthy. That's why his best offer was a crappy 1 year deal from the team that dropped a 1st rounder on him. Maclin had a poor man's Nicks feel about him. He was always banged up and never cracked 1000 yards, 14 ypr, or top 12 like Nicks did. This year he's fully healthy, getting insane targets, and is over 15 ypr. Pretty crazy turn of events for Maclin. Optimists will claim to have seen it coming, but it was a bit of a long shot. All of this to say, he's a terrible comparison to Harvin.

Calling Harvin the #1 guy in all his offenses is kind of a joke. He's been the #1 fantasy receiver, but didn't the guy play less than 50% of the snaps in Minnesota? Sure, they let him rush the ball a fair amount and gave him targets where he got to utilize his agility, but he never got downfield targets like Maclin. And in Seattle he was getting like 5 targets a game this year.

Personally, I don't own any long-term Harvin stock, but I'll definitely buy low in all formats next year if the price is as low as I expect. If he finds an offense interested in utilizing him, he'll be electric. His health doesn't bother me. The only concern would be the claims that he's a locker room cancer. That's pretty scary. Well, and if he's playing for the Jets again. That's pretty scary, too.

 
If I remember correctly, he's a FA after this year, right? If he continues to not do much in NY then I think it's pretty clear they let him go. Hopefully teams open up their eyes and only teams that will know how to use him will take him. He's clearly not a WR1. He needs to be on a team and he needs to NOT be the teams main threat.

The problem with Denver, NE, etc is $$$. Although I don't think Harvin will have much of a choice to take a major pay cut next year. No team is going to pay him big money, even the bad ones.

I might put in some low offers in the offseason for him.
This is the problem and has been the problem. He's not a WR1. He needs to find a situation where he can play WR2/gadget role and he will again flourish IMO. I think people overestimate a teams willingness to alter their offense around a singular player, though. This isn't Randy Moss we're talking about.
I agree.

I like Harvin's talent and he's capable of being a solid WR2 in FF. But you can take him out of the game with good D scheming. But that's not hard when your QB is incapable of getting it down the field (Jets QBs), or if your offensive system doesn't rely on the deep ball that much (which was the case in SEA).

Put him on a team with a good QB and a good WR1, and I think Harvin can easily get 900 receiving yds, 200-300 rush yds, and 7-9 TDs. But it won't happen in NY, as it didn't happen in SEA.
While he was in Minnesota, there wasn't another legit WR with him after Sidney Rice left in 2010, and he caught passes from Brett Favre (2009 and 2010), Christian Ponder and Donovan McNabb the next two years.

In those 4 years, he improved every single year on number of catches and receiving yards, and he was on pace for a 110-1200 receiving season before getting hurt in 2012. There's what his upside is if a team utilizes him that way.

People have a really short memory with this guy. His attitude has sucked, but he went from being the focal point of the Vikings passing game and an ascending star, to an afterthought in two different offenses that don't use WRs.

 
Nice try. Are you including kick return yards too? He's a wide receiver. He's never had a 1000 receiving yards.
Darren Sproles has never rushed for more than 603 yards in his entire career. He had five rushing touchdowns in New Orleans. Not five per year, five total. What a talentless bum. Can't believe anyone bothered to roster him in fantasy. Although at least he managed to top 500 yards one time, which is more than I can say for that Larry Centers guy.

Michael Vick? Seriously? He's never passed for more than 3303 yards. Why on earth would anyone ever have been interested in him in fantasy football?

Edit: Harvin averaged 8.3 rushing yards per game in his first two years in Minnesota and 17.6 rushing yards per game his last two years in Minnesota. He averaged 18.3 rushing yards per game over his entire Seattle career. He's averaging 19.2 rushing yards per game in New York. He's got a 6.5 career ypc, (and has been above 5.5 in all of his stops). He was already the most prolific rushing WR in NFL history by midway through his age-24 season. Even if you ignore the clear upward trend in the numbers, if he just stays at his current level that's 300 free yards every season. Ignore the rushing numbers if you want, but at this point, it's a trend that was predicted before he ever entered the league, (owing to the fact that he was a college RB who finished his career with nearly as many rushing yards as Frank Gore), has been going on for his entire career (but especially for the last four years), and has now happened on three different NFL franchises. I like fantasy points. I'm not super-picky about where they come from.

 
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Locker room cancer.
Yeah, no doubt. This is by far my biggest concern in dynasty leagues. There's a good chance teams decide he's just not worth the headache and he's out of the league within a few years. I'm much more worried about that than I am about his talent.

 
Nice try. Are you including kick return yards too? He's a wide receiver. He's never had a 1000 receiving yards.
Darren Sproles has never rushed for more than 603 yards in his entire career. He had five rushing touchdowns in New Orleans. Not five per year, five total. What a talentless bum. Can't believe anyone bothered to roster him in fantasy. Although at least he managed to top 500 yards one time, which is more than I can say for that Larry Centers guy.

Michael Vick? Seriously? He's never passed for more than 3303 yards. Why on earth would anyone ever have been interested in him in fantasy football?

Edit: Harvin averaged 8.3 rushing yards per game in his first two years in Minnesota and 17.6 rushing yards per game his last two years in Minnesota. He averaged 18.3 rushing yards per game over his entire Seattle career. He's averaging 19.2 rushing yards per game in New York. He's got a 6.5 career ypc, (and has been above 5.5 in all of his stops). He was already the most prolific rushing WR in NFL history by midway through his age-24 season. Even if you ignore the clear upward trend in the numbers, if he just stays at his current level that's 300 free yards every season. Ignore the rushing numbers if you want, but at this point, it's a trend that was predicted before he ever entered the league, (owing to the fact that he was a college RB who finished his career with nearly as many rushing yards as Frank Gore), has been going on for his entire career (but especially for the last four years), and has now happened on three different NFL franchises. I like fantasy points. I'm not super-picky about where they come from.
I agree with all of this, but the one thing that's always given me pause is that his rushing stats require an offensive coordinator to be willing to give him those rushes. Some OCs are stubborn. I could be wrong, but I think he was fortunate to have the same OC in Seattle as Minnesota, right? But it really is a minor point because I think he'll easily be worth his asking price next year in all formats so long as he's utilized properly in the passing game. Even if he's not utilized properly, I think 7-8 targets from a decent QB should be enough to return WR3 stats.

I think the best comp for Harvin is Golden Tate. But finding a situation like Tate's could prove problematic if he doesn't get his act together.

 
He's been living off a decent year in 2011 and has zero 1k yard season under his belt in six seasons. Not allot to be excited about.He holds very little value now or going forward IMO.

He's another Hakeem Nicks/ Kenny Britt.

Too bad I waited until this season to finally admit to myself these guys just are never going to put it together.
Britt has not nearly showed what Harvin can in the NFL. Nicks career has derailed with injuries that his cost him his burst and ability to separate at this level.

Harvin is 26 years old. How many 1000 yard seasons did 27 year old Emmanuel Sanders have prior to playing with Manning? What about 26 year old Golden Tate prior to playing with Stafford?

I don't think you can say Harvin is at Nicks and Britt level.
Plus he has had 1,000 seasons if you combine receiving and rushing yards.

 
Nice try. Are you including kick return yards too? He's a wide receiver. He's never had a 1000 receiving yards.
Darren Sproles has never rushed for more than 603 yards in his entire career. He had five rushing touchdowns in New Orleans. Not five per year, five total. What a talentless bum. Can't believe anyone bothered to roster him in fantasy. Although at least he managed to top 500 yards one time, which is more than I can say for that Larry Centers guy.

Michael Vick? Seriously? He's never passed for more than 3303 yards. Why on earth would anyone ever have been interested in him in fantasy football?

Edit: Harvin averaged 8.3 rushing yards per game in his first two years in Minnesota and 17.6 rushing yards per game his last two years in Minnesota. He averaged 18.3 rushing yards per game over his entire Seattle career. He's averaging 19.2 rushing yards per game in New York. He's got a 6.5 career ypc, (and has been above 5.5 in all of his stops). He was already the most prolific rushing WR in NFL history by midway through his age-24 season. Even if you ignore the clear upward trend in the numbers, if he just stays at his current level that's 300 free yards every season. Ignore the rushing numbers if you want, but at this point, it's a trend that was predicted before he ever entered the league, (owing to the fact that he was a college RB who finished his career with nearly as many rushing yards as Frank Gore), has been going on for his entire career (but especially for the last four years), and has now happened on three different NFL franchises. I like fantasy points. I'm not super-picky about where they come from.
I agree with all of this, but the one thing that's always given me pause is that his rushing stats require an offensive coordinator to be willing to give him those rushes. Some OCs are stubborn. I could be wrong, but I think he was fortunate to have the same OC in Seattle as Minnesota, right? But it really is a minor point because I think he'll easily be worth his asking price next year in all formats so long as he's utilized properly in the passing game. Even if he's not utilized properly, I think 7-8 targets from a decent QB should be enough to return WR3 stats.

I think the best comp for Harvin is Golden Tate. But finding a situation like Tate's could prove problematic if he doesn't get his act together.
His OC in Seattle coached him in Minnesota, but during Harvin's early years when he was averaging <10 yards per game.

Here's his HC/OC pairings for his career:

Brad Childress / Darrell Bevell

Leslie Frazier / Darrell Bevell

Leslie Frazier / Bill Musgrave

Pete Carroll / Darrell Bevell

Rex Ryan / Marty Mornhinweg

The only combos that gave Harvin fewer than 2 carries per game were the Childress/Bevell and Frazier/Bevell combos, and the Frazier/Bevell combo came close (Frazier was interim coach for the final six games of 2010, and Harvin posted 10 attempts in the final five games that year after getting just 8 attempts in the first 11). And, anyway, both Frazier and Bevell both gave Harvin 2+ carries per game with a different OC or HC in the next few years.

 
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Nice try. Are you including kick return yards too? He's a wide receiver. He's never had a 1000 receiving yards.
Darren Sproles has never rushed for more than 603 yards in his entire career. He had five rushing touchdowns in New Orleans. Not five per year, five total. What a talentless bum. Can't believe anyone bothered to roster him in fantasy. Although at least he managed to top 500 yards one time, which is more than I can say for that Larry Centers guy.

Michael Vick? Seriously? He's never passed for more than 3303 yards. Why on earth would anyone ever have been interested in him in fantasy football?

Edit: Harvin averaged 8.3 rushing yards per game in his first two years in Minnesota and 17.6 rushing yards per game his last two years in Minnesota. He averaged 18.3 rushing yards per game over his entire Seattle career. He's averaging 19.2 rushing yards per game in New York. He's got a 6.5 career ypc, (and has been above 5.5 in all of his stops). He was already the most prolific rushing WR in NFL history by midway through his age-24 season. Even if you ignore the clear upward trend in the numbers, if he just stays at his current level that's 300 free yards every season. Ignore the rushing numbers if you want, but at this point, it's a trend that was predicted before he ever entered the league, (owing to the fact that he was a college RB who finished his career with nearly as many rushing yards as Frank Gore), has been going on for his entire career (but especially for the last four years), and has now happened on three different NFL franchises. I like fantasy points. I'm not super-picky about where they come from.
I agree with all of this, but the one thing that's always given me pause is that his rushing stats require an offensive coordinator to be willing to give him those rushes. Some OCs are stubborn. I could be wrong, but I think he was fortunate to have the same OC in Seattle as Minnesota, right? But it really is a minor point because I think he'll easily be worth his asking price next year in all formats so long as he's utilized properly in the passing game. Even if he's not utilized properly, I think 7-8 targets from a decent QB should be enough to return WR3 stats.

I think the best comp for Harvin is Golden Tate. But finding a situation like Tate's could prove problematic if he doesn't get his act together.
I had thought about this comparison too as this would fall in line with him not being a "true" #1. I also think a WR's height is a downward trending necessity with all of the no-contact rules being enforced which is big contributing factor why small WRs like Tate, Antonio Brown, Cobb, and rookies (ODB, Cooks, Mathews) are thriving. **Take a minute to think about the offenses each of those players is in**

Harvin doesn't have the hands that these guys have, but is just as electric with the ball in his hands and from what I've seen, runs routes well enough.

This will be the first opportunity Harvin has to sign with the team of his choice, so it will depend on what he's after; 1)$$ or 2) a place where he will be a complimentary weapon on a team that likes to throw the ball. I don't think he's as much a gadget player as people choose to label him. I think he's gone from a conservative offense in Seattle to a black hole of an offense in NY.

 
He's never had a 1,000 yard season, is constantly hurt and an issue in the locker room easily one of the most overrated players in the NFL.
:yawn:

Just like I heard about Maclin until this year.
Yep and another year down and he's looks horrible. Maclin Never looked as bad as Harvin. Maclin is light years better.Carry on Harvin hopeful owner, not gonna happen though.

Diva receiver that sucks. Maclin and Sanders both have class. No decent team is bringing in Harvin.
You mean a team like the Pats won't? That team who just took a chance on Blount who was released from his team, and Moss when he gave up in Oakland?
Harvin to the Pats is a very interesting idea that might be a boon. But I could also see it being a miserable failure: at this point I think it is fair to say Harvin lacks the intestinal fortitude to run the routes that made Wes Welker great (and a candidate for long term cognitive issues). I don't think he'd be as valuable as an Edleman in that offense.
 
I have been trying to buy low on him in one of my leagues, but I sold high on him to one owner when he first got traded to Seattle and now he wants a ransom back for him. Teams can handle a couple of bad locker room guys or PITA's, however it has to be a strong locker, which I don't believe the Vikings had and it can't already have a guy that is a major PITA, which the Seahawks already have Lynch. There is a few spots that he would be just fine the problem is most of those teams have their slot receiver already.

 
I have been trying to buy low on him in one of my leagues, but I sold high on him to one owner when he first got traded to Seattle and now he wants a ransom back for him. Teams can handle a couple of bad locker room guys or PITA's, however it has to be a strong locker, which I don't believe the Vikings had and it can't already have a guy that is a major PITA, which the Seahawks already have Lynch. There is a few spots that he would be just fine the problem is most of those teams have their slot receiver already.
:rolleyes: Could this be overblown any more? Lynch can be a weird dude, but by all accounts he's well loved in the locker room and isn't a problem for his coaches. He doesn't play well with the media so that's why you see all the silly reports about him.

 
I have been trying to buy low on him in one of my leagues, but I sold high on him to one owner when he first got traded to Seattle and now he wants a ransom back for him. Teams can handle a couple of bad locker room guys or PITA's, however it has to be a strong locker, which I don't believe the Vikings had and it can't already have a guy that is a major PITA, which the Seahawks already have Lynch. There is a few spots that he would be just fine the problem is most of those teams have their slot receiver already.
:rolleyes: Could this be overblown any more? Lynch can be a weird dude, but by all accounts he's well loved in the locker room and isn't a problem for his coaches. He doesn't play well with the media so that's why you see all the silly reports about him.
Really? Is that why he was caught flipping off the coaching staff last year during a game when they called a play action pass at the 2? That is why he posted something like They got my n word or took my n word on twitter when Harvin was traded? Where there is smoke there is fire.

 
I have been trying to buy low on him in one of my leagues, but I sold high on him to one owner when he first got traded to Seattle and now he wants a ransom back for him. Teams can handle a couple of bad locker room guys or PITA's, however it has to be a strong locker, which I don't believe the Vikings had and it can't already have a guy that is a major PITA, which the Seahawks already have Lynch. There is a few spots that he would be just fine the problem is most of those teams have their slot receiver already.
:rolleyes: Could this be overblown any more? Lynch can be a weird dude, but by all accounts he's well loved in the locker room and isn't a problem for his coaches. He doesn't play well with the media so that's why you see all the silly reports about him.
Really? Is that why he was caught flipping off the coaching staff last year during a game when they called a play action pass at the 2? That is why he posted something like They got my n word or took my n word on twitter when Harvin was traded? Where there is smoke there is fire.
Yes really. When a guy has a bad relationship with the media and the media creates the "smoke" then it would be unwise to assume that where there is smoke there is fire. There were no repercussions from the supposed flipping off last year (could've been a joke between friends? I've been cool enough with my bosses in the past to flip them off when they give me a bad assignment) and Carroll was just talking about how loyal Lynch is to his teammates, so when saying the Jets took his buddy he's just showing loyalty. People love to sensationalize things. Don't be one of them. If the team didn't like Lynch, they'd have let him go. By all accounts Michael is a superstar, so why keep paying Lynch?

 
I think you are reading way too much into this. He is joking around during the play? So you just walk into your bosses important meeting and flip him off, no big deal you are buddies.

He can be a good teammate and still be a locker room problem. Setting examples for young players, like the trouble he gets into off the field and with the media. It is hard work for a coaching staff to watch these players, it is harder to watch when you start getting more of them and the reason they can get away with it is because they are producing.

 

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