Post Combine Mock draft - 2 rounds (1 Viewer)

The first round I tried to give my best guess approximation of what I think teams will do.
The second round is more a scattershot of where I think guys should get approximately selected in the 2nd...with an eye to team needs factoring but being secondary.

Round 3 is going to see a tremendous run of good/potentially really good skill position players.

Round 1
1. Tampa - Jameis Winston QB Florida St
2. Tennessee - Leonard Williams DT USC
3. Jacksonville - Dante Fowler Jr OLB Florida
4. Oakland - Danny Shelton DT Washington
5. Washington - Alvin Dupree DE Kentucky
6. NY Jets - Marcus Mariota QB Oregon
7. Chicago - Vic Beasley OLB Clemson
8. Atlanta - Shane Ray DE Missouri
9. NY Giants - Andrus Peat OT Stanford
10. St Louis - Brandon Scherff OT Iowa
11. Minnesota - Shaq Thompson OLB/SS Washington
12. Cleveland - Kevin White WR WVU
13. New Orleans - Amari Cooper WR Alabama
14. Miami - DeVante Parker WR Louisville
15. San Francisco - La'el Collins OT LSU
16. Houston - Landon Collins SS Alabama
17. San Diego - Randy Gregory DE Nebraska
18. Kansas City - Ereck Flowers OT Miami FL
19. Cleveland - Malcom Brown DT Texas
20. Philadelphia - Brett Hundley QB UCLA
21. Cincinnati - Trae Waynes CB Michigan St
22. Pittsburgh - P.J. Williams CB Florida St
23. Detroit - T.J. Clemmings OT Pittsburgh
24. Arizona - Eric Kendricks ILB UCLA
25. Carolina - Jaelen Strong WR ASU
26. Baltimore - Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE UCLA
27. Dallas - Jordan Phillips DT Oklahoma
28. Denver - Benardrick McKinney ILB Mississippi St
29. Indianapolis - Dorial Green-Beckham WR Oklahoma
30. Green Bay - Stephone Anthony ILB Clemson
31. Seattle - Ty Sambrailo OT Colorado St
32. Patriots - Cameron Erving OT/OG/C FSU

Round 2
33. Tennessee - Nate Orchard OLB Utah
34. Tampa Bay - Danielle Hunter DE LSU
35. Oakland - Melvin Gordon RB Wisconsin
36. Jacksonville - Todd Gurley RB Georgia
37. NY Jets - Marcus Peters CB Washington
38. Washington - Maxx Williams TE Minnesota
39. Chicago - Eddie Goldman DT Florida St
40. NY Giants - Carl Davis DT Iowa
41. St Louis - Quinten Rollins CB Miami OH
42. Atlanta - A.J. Cann OG S Car
43. Cleveland - Eli Harold OLB Virginia
44 New Orleans - Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB Oregon
45. Minnesota - Laken Tomlinson OG Duke
46. San Francisco - Brashaud Perriman WR UCF Nelson Agholor WR USC
47. Miami - Denzel Perryman ILB Miami
48. San Diego - Ameer Abdullah RB Nebraska
49. Kansas City - Sammie Coates WR Auburn
50. Buffalo - Jay Ajayi RB Boise St
51. Houston - D.J. Humphries OT Florida
52. Philadelphia - Cody Prewitt FS Ole Miss
53. Cincinnati - Michael Bennett DT OSU
54. Detroit - Xavier Cooper DT Wash St
55. Arizona - Daryl Williams OT Oklahoma
56. Pittsburgh - Byron Jones CB UCONN Alex Carter CB Stanford
57. Carolina - Jake Fisher OT Oregon
58. Baltimore - Devin Funchess WR Michigan
59. Denver - Cedric Ogbuehi OT Texas A&M
60. Dallas - DJoun Smith CB Florida Atlantic
61. Indianapolis - Paul Dawson OLB TCU
62.Green Bay - Jalen Collins CB LSU
63. Seattle - Henry Anderson DE Stanford
64. New England - Nelson Agholor WR USC Devin Smith WR OSU

It's crazy that a third QB will go in the 1st round. Most talent pros say the drop off from the top 2 to the rest is from the 1st to the 3rd round, but I bet this happens. Some QB hungry team will fall in love with a guy on his pro day and way over draft...

I stole him in the 2nd in the first FBG mock, but Im telling you right now, there is no way Eli Harold falls out of the first, especially post combine.

That's my guarantee.

Even Jeremiah has him slated in at 22 now.

TheFanatic said:

It's crazy that a third QB will go in the 1st round. Most talent pros say the drop off from the top 2 to the rest is from the 1st to the 3rd round, but I bet this happens. Some QB hungry team will fall in love with a guy on his pro day and way over draft...

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Of course it is. But it's THE premium position in the draft and someone like Chip Kelly would think he can make something big out of Hundley.

NFL teams aren't fantasy football players either. While they hope to get an instant return on a guy, if they think they can grow a guy then they'll take a raw prospect with upside - which is just what Hundley is.

Soulfly3 said:

I stole him in the 2nd in the first FBG mock, but Im telling you right now, there is no way Eli Harold falls out of the first, especially post combine.

That's my guarantee.

Even Jeremiah has him slated in at 22 now.

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I would have loved to find a spot for him in the 1st.

Arizona, Baltimore, Indy, and New England would all be good spots for him.

Eric Kendricks fall to GB one time!

Always appreciate the effort, Andy!

Don Banks mock didn't have Shaq Thompson going in round one. I for one agree with him. I think the combine hurt him more than most are willing to admit.

Daniel Jermiah said that his most natural position in his opinion is at RB. It calls into question his ability on defense?

I like that you dont have any RBs in rd 1, esp not to SD in the middle of the round.

For SD Gregory is interesting and would draw no complaints from me. Not a fan of Abdullah, esp at that pick and with Coates, a couple OTs and DTs going right after I think they can better get what they need. Oline, DLine and CB would be better, WR depending on who resigns. With the way your mock is going would pass on Abdullah and grab Duke Johnson, Tevin Coleman in rd 3

Donnybrook said:

Don Banks mock didn't have Shaq Thompson going in round one. I for one agree with him. I think the combine hurt him more than most are willing to admit.

Daniel Jermiah said that his most natural position in his opinion is at RB. It calls into question his ability on defense?

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I'm sorry, but that's really hard to believe. Maybe 11 is too high for him, but his versatility and skillset put him almost surely in the 1st round.

Plus, there aren't an abundance of true 4-3 linebackers to pick from. Most guys are 3-4 OLBs.

Anyway, I had Trae Waynes going to the Vikings until the last second.

B Maverick said:

I like that you dont have any RBs in rd 1, esp not to SD in the middle of the round.

For SD Gregory is interesting and would draw no complaints from me. Not a fan of Abdullah, esp at that pick and with Coates, a couple OTs and DTs going right after I think they can better get what they need. Oline, DLine and CB would be better, WR depending on who resigns. With the way your mock is going would pass on Abdullah and grab Duke Johnson, Tevin Coleman in rd 3

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Yes, there's a number of ways that the Chargers could go in the 2nd, and again my 2nd round here was more about what I think a players relative draft spot would be.

But it's not like Abdullah is a stiff or that the Chargers couldn't use him. Mathews is decent but not great and if you think Oliver is next in line...well I think he's pretty average.

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B Maverick said:

I like that you dont have any RBs in rd 1, esp not to SD in the middle of the round.

For SD Gregory is interesting and would draw no complaints from me. Not a fan of Abdullah, esp at that pick and with Coates, a couple OTs and DTs going right after I think they can better get what they need. Oline, DLine and CB would be better, WR depending on who resigns. With the way your mock is going would pass on Abdullah and grab Duke Johnson, Tevin Coleman in rd 3

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Yes, there's a number of ways that the Chargers could go in the 2nd, and again my 2nd round here was more about what I think a players relative draft spot would be.

But it's not like Abdullah is a stiff or that the Chargers couldn't use him. Mathews is decent but not great and if you think Oliver is next in line...well I think he's pretty average.

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The Chargers have far more important needs than RB. If they were going to take a RB it wouldn't be one with blocking issues.

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Andy Dufresne said:

B Maverick said:

I like that you dont have any RBs in rd 1, esp not to SD in the middle of the round.

For SD Gregory is interesting and would draw no complaints from me. Not a fan of Abdullah, esp at that pick and with Coates, a couple OTs and DTs going right after I think they can better get what they need. Oline, DLine and CB would be better, WR depending on who resigns. With the way your mock is going would pass on Abdullah and grab Duke Johnson, Tevin Coleman in rd 3

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Yes, there's a number of ways that the Chargers could go in the 2nd, and again my 2nd round here was more about what I think a players relative draft spot would be.

But it's not like Abdullah is a stiff or that the Chargers couldn't use him. Mathews is decent but not great and if you think Oliver is next in line...well I think he's pretty average.

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The Chargers have far more important needs than RB. If they were going to take a RB it wouldn't be one with blocking issues.

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They might have more important needs...but they need RBs.

Ryan Mathews is a free agent and it wouldn't surprise me, given his injury history, if they let him go. Which leaves Brandon Oliver...yikes.

If you don't like Abdullah, go ahead and put Ajayi/Coleman/Duke Johnson or even Mike Davis in there.

But Abdullah is good at catching out of the backfield and would contribute on special teams as well.

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TheFanatic said:

It's crazy that a third QB will go in the 1st round. Most talent pros say the drop off from the top 2 to the rest is from the 1st to the 3rd round, but I bet this happens. Some QB hungry team will fall in love with a guy on his pro day and way over draft...

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Of course it is. But it's THE premium position in the draft and someone like Chip Kelly would think he can make something big out of Hundley.

NFL teams aren't fantasy football players either. While they hope to get an instant return on a guy, if they think they can grow a guy then they'll take a raw prospect with upside - which is just what Hundley is.

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With the Marcus Smith pick last year, I doubt the Eagles reach for another project pick in the first. Hundley to me strikes me as a guy who the Eagles would take if he happened to be there in the 3rd, if not, go after Bryan Bennett much later.

Snotbubbles said:

Andy Dufresne said:

TheFanatic said:

It's crazy that a third QB will go in the 1st round. Most talent pros say the drop off from the top 2 to the rest is from the 1st to the 3rd round, but I bet this happens. Some QB hungry team will fall in love with a guy on his pro day and way over draft...

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Of course it is. But it's THE premium position in the draft and someone like Chip Kelly would think he can make something big out of Hundley.

NFL teams aren't fantasy football players either. While they hope to get an instant return on a guy, if they think they can grow a guy then they'll take a raw prospect with upside - which is just what Hundley is.

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With the Marcus Smith pick last year, I doubt the Eagles reach for another project pick in the first. Hundley to me strikes me as a guy who the Eagles would take if he happened to be there in the 3rd, if not, go after Bryan Bennett much later.

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It's a supply and demand thing. Nick Foles isn't the guy for that system. Neither is anyone else on the roster. I'm not saying it's a lock but there's a lot of smoke and fire about him to the Eagles.

Well done.

As a Redskins fan, this is worst case scenario (although we still end up with a good prospect). But if zero WR's go in the top-4, then like you mocked there's no way we get Shelton who is the guy I really want. I do think we'd take Beasley over Dupree, Dupree reminds me way too much of an Orakpo clone--freak, but only has one move, the speed rush that gets him pushed around the pocket a lot of the time. All potential, but risky.

Watching Williams/Fowler/Shelton go right in a row would be killer and I'd be praying for a trade-back, which would be very possible with Mariota still on the board and the Jets being the next pick. That would be a ton of leverage, if no one trades up into 2/3/4 for Mariota.

In the 2nd round, I love Maxx Williams but I'd be extremely annoyed if we took him with all those front-7/OL/CB prospects on the board still. In that spot I prefer 8-10 of the next guys you have going all over Williams for the Redskins.

Again, great work, just some comments that I think are representative of how a lot of Skins fans feel right now and would feel about this draft.

Also, that would be an insane value pick for the Jets getting Peters at the top of the 2nd, wow. Would be perfect fit for them.

ConnSKINS26 said:

Well done.

As a Redskins fan, this is worst case scenario (although we still end up with a good prospect). But if zero WR's go in the top-4, then like you mocked there's no way we get Shelton who is the guy I really want. I do think we'd take Beasley over Dupree, Dupree reminds me way too much of an Orakpo clone--freak, but only has one move, the speed rush that gets him pushed around the pocket a lot of the time. All potential, but risky.

Watching Williams/Fowler/Shelton go right in a row would be killer and I'd be praying for a trade-back, which would be very possible with Mariota still on the board and the Jets being the next pick. That would be a ton of leverage, if no one trades up into 2/3/4 for Mariota.

In the 2nd round, I love Maxx Williams but I'd be extremely annoyed if we took him with all those front-7/OL/CB prospects on the board still. In that spot I prefer 8-10 of the next guys you have going all over Williams for the Redskins.

Again, great work, just some comments that I think are representative of how a lot of Skins fans feel right now and would feel about this draft.

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Agree. If somehow the Redskins end up having to make a pick rather than getting picks for mariota, then I want Shelton or Williams. If they are gone its a bad situation.

I might just take mariota. We don't have a qb under contract after this season. Make him rg3's backup for half a year. Then let rg3 walk with his expired contract after this season unless he does something phenomenal.

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ConnSKINS26 said:

Well done.

As a Redskins fan, this is worst case scenario (although we still end up with a good prospect). But if zero WR's go in the top-4, then like you mocked there's no way we get Shelton who is the guy I really want. I do think we'd take Beasley over Dupree, Dupree reminds me way too much of an Orakpo clone--freak, but only has one move, the speed rush that gets him pushed around the pocket a lot of the time. All potential, but risky.

Watching Williams/Fowler/Shelton go right in a row would be killer and I'd be praying for a trade-back, which would be very possible with Mariota still on the board and the Jets being the next pick. That would be a ton of leverage, if no one trades up into 2/3/4 for Mariota.

In the 2nd round, I love Maxx Williams but I'd be extremely annoyed if we took him with all those front-7/OL/CB prospects on the board still. In that spot I prefer 8-10 of the next guys you have going all over Williams for the Redskins.

Again, great work, just some comments that I think are representative of how a lot of Skins fans feel right now and would feel about this draft.

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Agree. If somehow the Redskins end up having to make a pick rather than getting picks for mariota, then I want Shelton or Williams. If they are gone its a bad situation.

I might just take mariota. We don't have a qb under contract after this season. Make him rg3's backup for half a year. Then let rg3 walk with his expired contract after this season unless he does something phenomenal.

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I wouldn't be on board with that, but can understand the thinking. I see Mariota as a lesser prospect than Griffin was, with a lot of the same issues. Now, Griffin will never be the guy he was his rookie year and could have continued being. But Gruden already clearly isn't in love with his inherited franchise QB having a non-pocket-passer skill-set. So with the Mariota pick you're just waiting a year to get rid of Gruden and stunting Mariota's growth. And just as badly, you're once again forcing a QB on a new HC hire.

I highly doubt we see Mariota as an option, on the board or not. I think we ride this year out with Griffin, if it's a failure we move on without him or Gruden and get the next HC "his guy".

I bounced Beasley and Dupree back and forth for the Skins' pick. Trent Murphy is more of a depth guy and they're likely not keeping Orakpo, IMO.

No way Gregory falls to 17.

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I bounced Beasley and Dupree back and forth for the Skins' pick. Trent Murphy is more of a depth guy and they're likely not keeping Orakpo, IMO.

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Agreed, I just think Beasley is the better prospect. Your thought process was in line with mine though.

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No way Gregory falls to 17.

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He's a bit undersized and doesn't play the run well (yet). He weighed in at the combine at 238lbs.

He's not a 4-3 DE and there's only so many 3-4 OLB spots to go around and there's lots of talent at the top of the draft.

One of Ray or Gregory is going to drop and in this scenario it was Gregory. He's dangerously close to a Dion Jordan type of player - a great athlete without an NFL position.

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No way Gregory falls to 17.

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I agree. Would not be upset if we took him in the first depending on those first 4 picks...

Any particular reason Goldman fell to 39?

Andy Dufresne said:

jurb26 said:

No way Gregory falls to 17.

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He's a bit undersized and doesn't play the run well (yet). He weighed in at the combine at 238lbs.He's not a 4-3 DE and there's only so many 3-4 OLB spots to go around and there's lots of talent at the top of the draft.

One of Ray or Gregory is going to drop and in this scenario it was Gregory. He's dangerously close to a Dion Jordan type of player - a great athlete without an NFL position.

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He's nothing like Dion. He plays with heavy hands and unusual strength for his size. He uses multiple moves at the LOS unlike Dion. The notion that he's not good vs the run is false. Seems to be an automatic assumption because of his size. Granted, he won't be nearly as effective in the NFL vs the run because of size. He much more Aldon Smith or Javon Kearse than Dion Jordan.

jurb26 said:

Andy Dufresne said:

jurb26 said:

No way Gregory falls to 17.

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He's a bit undersized and doesn't play the run well (yet). He weighed in at the combine at 238lbs.He's not a 4-3 DE and there's only so many 3-4 OLB spots to go around and there's lots of talent at the top of the draft.

One of Ray or Gregory is going to drop and in this scenario it was Gregory. He's dangerously close to a Dion Jordan type of player - a great athlete without an NFL position.

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He's nothing like Dion. He plays with heavy hands and unusual strength for his size. He uses multiple moves at the LOS unlike Dion. The notion that he's not good vs the run is false. Seems to be an automatic assumption because of his size. Granted, he won't be nearly as effective in the NFL vs the run because of size. He much more Aldon Smith or Javon Kearse than Dion Jordan.

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Okay. Pick the comparison you like. But he's not a shoo in to go high.

And it always elicits a chuckle that people think going outside the top 10 in the NFL draft is some sort of an affront to the player or the program he comes from.

And it wouldn't surprise me if he went top 5. So...whatever.

Andy Dufresne said:

jurb26 said:

Andy Dufresne said:

jurb26 said:

No way Gregory falls to 17.

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He's a bit undersized and doesn't play the run well (yet). He weighed in at the combine at 238lbs.He's not a 4-3 DE and there's only so many 3-4 OLB spots to go around and there's lots of talent at the top of the draft.

One of Ray or Gregory is going to drop and in this scenario it was Gregory. He's dangerously close to a Dion Jordan type of player - a great athlete without an NFL position.

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He's nothing like Dion. He plays with heavy hands and unusual strength for his size. He uses multiple moves at the LOS unlike Dion. The notion that he's not good vs the run is false. Seems to be an automatic assumption because of his size. Granted, he won't be nearly as effective in the NFL vs the run because of size. He much more Aldon Smith or Javon Kearse than Dion Jordan.

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Okay. Pick the comparison you like. But he's not a shoo in to go high.And it always elicits a chuckle that people think going outside the top 10 in the NFL draft is some sort of an affront to the player or the program he comes from.

And it wouldn't surprise me if he went top 5. So...whatever.

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I don't think it's an affront? I just think it's inaccurate. Pretty sure we had this same discussion in the last mock, though.

Also worth mentioning that Gregory was reportedly sick just prior to the combine and it caused him to drop weight. If that is a big concern for some of you.

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I don't think it's an affront? I just think it's inaccurate.

Pretty sure we had this same discussion in the last mock, though.

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Is it implausible that teams would prefer Dupree, Beasley, and Ray ahead of him?

The Bears are going 3-4 and the Falcons are all over Shane Ray.

Andy Dufresne said:

jurb26 said:

I don't think it's an affront? I just think it's inaccurate.

Pretty sure we had this same discussion in the last mock, though.

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Is it implausible that teams would prefer Dupree, Beasley, and Ray ahead of him?The Bears are going 3-4 and the Falcons are all over Shane Ray.

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Nothing is implausible. I'd say there is a better chance all 4 guys go top 13 than Gregory falls to 17, though.

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Andy Dufresne said:

jurb26 said:

I don't think it's an affront? I just think it's inaccurate.

Pretty sure we had this same discussion in the last mock, though.

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Is it implausible that teams would prefer Dupree, Beasley, and Ray ahead of him?The Bears are going 3-4 and the Falcons are all over Shane Ray.

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Nothing is implausible. I'd say there is a better chance all 4 guys go top 13 than Gregory falls to 17, though.

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Sure. But it's not like the guys between him and Dupree at 5 don't make sense here.

If he's not taken by at Atlanta's spot, he's square peg/round hole until New Orleans' pick.

Guys always surprisingly "fall", while other go shockingly high. A perfectly reasonable mock using all the information we know now, this time of year, is probably the most unrealistic of all, the problem is we can't predict the weird #### that's going to happen. I respect Dufresne for trying.

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Guys always surprisingly "fall", while other go shockingly high. A perfectly reasonable mock using all the information we know now, this time of year, is probably the most unrealistic of all, the problem is we can't predict the weird #### that's going to happen. I respect Dufresne for trying.

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well that's a bit far.

but the discussion is the point of these things, and Andy does a great job there.

The Eagles aren't going QB over Waynes. Not that one anyway. Nice effort though.

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The Eagles aren't going QB over Waynes. Not that one anyway. Nice effort though.

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Exactly what I was going to post. Although there's no way Wayne's falls to 20 after his 40 time

You guys always crack me up with your "no way" stuff.

First of all, Waynes and/or Gregory goes in the top 10, then someone else would come along and say "There's NO WAY that a potential cornerstone left tackle is going to fall out of the top 10". And then another guy would say "Given what the Cowboys got from Zack Martin last year, and some internet dude said that Scherff could be better than Martin, then there's NO WAY that Scherff is out of the top 10.

Oh but wait! There's no way that Kevin White...or is it Amari Cooper...is going to fall out of the top 10.

There's only ten spots in the top ten guys. And there are more than ten guys that deserve to go there. I appreciate people going to bat for guys they like. And you're right, YOUR GUY probably could go ahead of a guy that I have slotted at the spot you want him to go in.

Secondly, you can't say with certainty that the Eagles won't take Hundley. I know it's en vogue to run him down because the draftniks have done so...but just because he's not ready to step in immediately (which is what all fans of teams that don't have Andrew Luck want from their franchise) doesn't mean that the powers that be for a team - in this case the Eagles - don't see what they're looking for in a guy they can mold into someone that can man the most important position in football for them. Whew, what a sentence.

I've said it many times but I'll say it again - if you're waiting for the intersection of ready made quarterback and your team's ability to actually draft him, you might be waiting a LONG time. How many times have the Browns, for example, done this to themselves?

And there are lots of indications that the Eagles are more than just a little interested in him. He's not a fit for anything resembling a traditional NFL offense. But guess what the Eagles don't run?

Their offense is waiting for an athletic QB to run it. Hundley ran a 4.62 40 yard and put up the best time for a QB in the shuttle since 2006 and the third best for ANY position since then (Ameer Abdullah ran a 3.95 20 yd SS, good for 2nd best behind Chris Rainey since 2006. .03 better than Brett Hundley's.). He's at least a 2nd rounder, and at a spot before the Eagles will have a chance at him there. So if they want a shot at him, they need to take him there since I'm not projecting mythical trade downs.

And don't make me come at you with hand size...

Why do you keep making this about top 10? The contention was with Gregory falling to 17, not 11.

There is "no way" an instinctive 6' CB that runs a 4.3 40 lasts until 21 in today's pass happy NFL.

Since when did you become a Hundley fan?

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I don't think he's great either. But we're in the 3rd round now and he might be worth the gamble here. Athletically, he's just what Kelly is looking for.

He should have come out last year.

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Why do you keep making this about top 10? The contention was with Gregory falling to 17, not 11.

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I thought it was you making it about Gregory not being top 10.

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jurb26 said:

Why do you keep making this about top 10? The contention was with Gregory falling to 17, not 11.

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I thought it was you making it about Gregory not being top 10.

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Wrong. I didn't mention that once. I said him falling to 17 isn't going to happen.

JetMaxx said:

There is "no way" an instinctive 6' CB that runs a 4.3 40 lasts until 21 in today's pass happy NFL.

Since when did you become a Hundley fan?

Andy Dufresne said:

I don't think he's great either. But we're in the 3rd round now and he might be worth the gamble here. Athletically, he's just what Kelly is looking for.

He should have come out last year.

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Since I read enough about him and the Eagles' interest in him. And it wasn't me that passed over him in the draft, it was you. Just because I don't think he's a good QB for most teams doesn't mean I don't think he'd potentially be good for the Eagles nor does it cause me to ignore what the tea leaves seem to be saying.

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Andy Dufresne said:

jurb26 said:

Why do you keep making this about top 10? The contention was with Gregory falling to 17, not 11.

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I thought it was you making it about Gregory not being top 10.

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Wrong. I didn't mention that once. I said him falling to 17 isn't going to happen.

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I think I've got it... He could fall out of the top ten but not to 17. In other words you're riding me over six spots.

Andy Dufresne said:

JetMaxx said:

There is "no way" an instinctive 6' CB that runs a 4.3 40 lasts until 21 in today's pass happy NFL.

Since when did you become a Hundley fan?

Andy Dufresne said:

I don't think he's great either. But we're in the 3rd round now and he might be worth the gamble here. Athletically, he's just what Kelly is looking for.

He should have come out last year.

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Since I read enough about him and the Eagles' interest in him. And it wasn't me that passed over him in the draft, it was you. Just because I don't think he's a good QB for most teams doesn't mean I don't think he'd potentially be good for the Eagles nor does it cause me to ignore what the tea leaves seem to be saying.

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Please link to what you read about the Eagles' interest in Hundley because I missed it.

The biggest error is not including Breshaud Perriman. Not sure how I missed that.

Would make sense to not get past either 49er pick.

Andy Dufresne said:

jurb26 said:

Andy Dufresne said:

jurb26 said:

Why do you keep making this about top 10? The contention was with Gregory falling to 17, not 11.

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I thought it was you making it about Gregory not being top 10.

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Wrong. I didn't mention that once. I said him falling to 17 isn't going to happen.

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I think I've got it... He could fall out of the top ten but not to 17. In other words you're riding me over six spots.

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Nobody is riding you you're just misrepresenting things.

JetMaxx said:

Andy Dufresne said:

JetMaxx said:

There is "no way" an instinctive 6' CB that runs a 4.3 40 lasts until 21 in today's pass happy NFL.

Since when did you become a Hundley fan?

Andy Dufresne said:

I don't think he's great either. But we're in the 3rd round now and he might be worth the gamble here. Athletically, he's just what Kelly is looking for.

He should have come out last year.

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Since I read enough about him and the Eagles' interest in him. And it wasn't me that passed over him in the draft, it was you. Just because I don't think he's a good QB for most teams doesn't mean I don't think he'd potentially be good for the Eagles nor does it cause me to ignore what the tea leaves seem to be saying.

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Please link to what you read about the Eagles' interest in Hundley because I missed it.

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For real?This is getting less fun by the minute.

SF is such a ####### ####show right now, predicting their draft or even the positions they address is basically impossible. Might as well throw darts. Appreciate the effort though.

Andy Dufresne said:

You guys always crack me up with your "no way" stuff.

First of all, Waynes and/or Gregory goes in the top 10, then someone else would come along and say "There's NO WAY that a potential cornerstone left tackle is going to fall out of the top 10". And then another guy would say "Given what the Cowboys got from Zack Martin last year, and some internet dude said that Scherff could be better than Martin, then there's NO WAY that Scherff is out of the top 10.

Oh but wait! There's no way that Kevin White...or is it Amari Cooper...is going to fall out of the top 10.

There's only ten spots in the top ten guys. And there are more than ten guys that deserve to go there. I appreciate people going to bat for guys they like. And you're right, YOUR GUY probably could go ahead of a guy that I have slotted at the spot you want him to go in.

Secondly, you can't say with certainty that the Eagles won't take Hundley. I know it's en vogue to run him down because the draftniks have done so...but just because he's not ready to step in immediately (which is what all fans of teams that don't have Andrew Luck want from their franchise) doesn't mean that the powers that be for a team - in this case the Eagles - don't see what they're looking for in a guy they can mold into someone that can man the most important position in football for them. Whew, what a sentence.

I've said it many times but I'll say it again - if you're waiting for the intersection of ready made quarterback and your team's ability to actually draft him, you might be waiting a LONG time. How many times have the Browns, for example, done this to themselves?

And there are lots of indications that the Eagles are more than just a little interested in him. He's not a fit for anything resembling a traditional NFL offense. But guess what the Eagles don't run?

Their offense is waiting for an athletic QB to run it. Hundley ran a 4.62 40 yard and put up the best time for a QB in the shuttle since 2006 and the third best for ANY position since then (Ameer Abdullah ran a 3.95 20 yd SS, good for 2nd best behind Chris Rainey since 2006. .03 better than Brett Hundley's.). He's at least a 2nd rounder, and at a spot before the Eagles will have a chance at him there. So if they want a shot at him, they need to take him there since I'm not projecting mythical trade downs.

And don't make me come at you with hand size...

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Oh come on. You clearly love the dialogue.

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Donnybrook said:

Don Banks mock didn't have Shaq Thompson going in round one. I for one agree with him. I think the combine hurt him more than most are willing to admit.

Daniel Jermiah said that his most natural position in his opinion is at RB. It calls into question his ability on defense?

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I'm sorry, but that's really hard to believe. Maybe 11 is too high for him, but his versatility and skillset put him almost surely in the 1st round.Plus, there aren't an abundance of true 4-3 linebackers to pick from. Most guys are 3-4 OLBs.

Anyway, I had Trae Waynes going to the Vikings until the last second.

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I am willing to bet that Byron Jones gets drafted before Shaq.

I don't see Bengals going CB in the 1st for the third time in four years. DL, OL or LB is much bigger needs

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B Maverick said:

I like that you dont have any RBs in rd 1, esp not to SD in the middle of the round.

For SD Gregory is interesting and would draw no complaints from me. Not a fan of Abdullah, esp at that pick and with Coates, a couple OTs and DTs going right after I think they can better get what they need. Oline, DLine and CB would be better, WR depending on who resigns. With the way your mock is going would pass on Abdullah and grab Duke Johnson, Tevin Coleman in rd 3

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Yes, there's a number of ways that the Chargers could go in the 2nd, and again my 2nd round here was more about what I think a players relative draft spot would be.

But it's not like Abdullah is a stiff or that the Chargers couldn't use him. Mathews is decent but not great and if you think Oliver is next in line...well I think he's pretty average.

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The Chargers have far more important needs than RB. If they were going to take a RB it wouldn't be one with blocking issues.

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They might have more important needs...but they need RBs.

Ryan Mathews is a free agent and it wouldn't surprise me, given his injury history, if they let him go. Which leaves Brandon Oliver...yikes.

If you don't like Abdullah, go ahead and put Ajayi/Coleman/Duke Johnson or even Mike Davis in there.

But Abdullah is good at catching out of the backfield and would contribute on special teams as well.

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I agree RB is a need. Matthews cant stay healthy, and it was a nice story but no Oliver isnt the answer. Brown isnt either. I think for me, based on how your mock is falling, I would prefer to see them go a different way in 2 (OT, DT, CB or even WR) and look at Coleman/Duke Johnson or even Mike Davis/Ajayi or Yeldon in the next rd.

I personally like Duke and Coleman over Abdullah which is why I would be happy to see them fall to SD's 3rd.

I appreciate the effort