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This is one of the things that gets me the most. If everything on this island, and the purpose for everyone being there, is competely manufactured, how in the hell do they get everyone on the same flight by that kind of manipulation of their lives. Most corporations and government agencies cant put together a proper gd company picnic, let alone this bull####.
I guess I will jut have to disagree because I think the evidence does point emphatically to it. The survivors had a problem with drinkable water and Jack sees an image of his dad who ends up leading him to the cave which happens to have potable water. I don't think he was hallucinating that due to stress and coincidentally found the water on an island he has never been on.Also, how do you explain that Sawyer also saw Kate's horse which we were shown in the flashback as well? IMHO, I think it is pretty clear that there is some sort of mind reading/mental projection on the island, probably one of the Dharma experiments.
exactley.who ever I replied to intially said he didn't touch anything. well... he did touch stuff - imaginary or not.What did you see Dave touch in the "real" world in the institution? Nothing. He didn't touch the basketball during the basketball game. He didn't get the graham cracker for Hurley, when they left Hurley's room after Dave slapping Hurley I believe Hurley opened the door. Hurley took the lasagna, Dave didn't give it to him. Dave didn't give Hurley the keys for the window lock. Dave didn't open the lock, Dave only climbed out. Dave didn't touch anything tangible in the real world.Dave touched a slipper and some coconuts that were probably not even there on the island.So besides for the stuff that he touched, he didn't touch anything.I agree he was imaginary and all... but dude touched stuff.
You only saw Dave touch anything on the island
IT"S A TV SHOW!This is one of the things that gets me the most. If everything on this island, and the purpose for everyone being there, is competely manufactured, how in the hell do they get everyone on the same flight by that kind of manipulation of their lives. Most corporations and government agencies cant put together a proper gd company picnic, let alone this bull####.
Agreed - She is exhibiting many stalker signs (not that I'd know anything about that).She clearly gravitated towards Hurley after the tailies merged with the other survivors. Her look as they walked away from the cliff seemed very evil to me.
In general I'd agree, but on that island? I don't know if you can make that assumption.
He did hit water
Honestly I think I feel that way because I was incredibly disappointed (and stopped really "watching" the show) when they revealed it was a bunch of chumps in lab coats behind it all. Its like Dorothy finding out the Wizard of Oz is a little fat snake oil salesman from Salina, Kansas.Could I suspend disbelief for a supernatural cause? Sure. Suspend for an exercise in mind control/biological warfare/just for kicks? Nah.IT"S A TV SHOW!This is one of the things that gets me the most. If everything on this island, and the purpose for everyone being there, is competely manufactured, how in the hell do they get everyone on the same flight by that kind of manipulation of their lives. Most corporations and government agencies cant put together a proper gd company picnic, let alone this bull####.
Exactly. That, and the black cloud thingy that Mr. Eko saw, that seemed to be displaying pictures of stuff from his history. It seems like the black cloud thingy projects the things that people can't get past - Jack saw his father, Kate saw the horse, and Hurley saw Dave. Mr. Eko, though, has cleansed himself of his past, and that's why the black cloud thing couldn't show him anything that would truly scare him. He's at peace, because he has faith.
The children are innocent. So was Eko. That's why the others tried to take them.
I've heard giant insect zoombies are behind the island.....but that's an unconfirmed rumor.Honestly I think I feel that way because I was incredibly disappointed (and stopped really "watching" the show) when they revealed it was a bunch of chumps in lab coats behind it all. Its like Dorothy finding out the Wizard of Oz is a little fat snake oil salesman from Salina, Kansas.Could I suspend disbelief for a supernatural cause? Sure. Suspend for an exercise in mind control/biological warfare/just for kicks? Nah.IT"S A TV SHOW!This is one of the things that gets me the most. If everything on this island, and the purpose for everyone being there, is competely manufactured, how in the hell do they get everyone on the same flight by that kind of manipulation of their lives. Most corporations and government agencies cant put together a proper gd company picnic, let alone this bull####.
I'm still holding out hope that Satan is really behind Dharma and will appear with cloven hooves, horn and tail, a sea monster will eat that annoying fat ******* Hurley, and the ghost of Abraham Lincoln will have relations with the crazy French chick. :fingerscrossed:
Are nanobots programmed to understand salvation, contrition etc? If anything, Eko was at one time 10 times more evil than anyone else on the island. I understand your point, and pretty much agee,but there are some seriously different (cavernously different) levels of sin and guilt on that island.
Going to by DVD boxed set just in case.I've heard giant insect zoombies are behind the island.....but that's an unconfirmed rumor.Honestly I think I feel that way because I was incredibly disappointed (and stopped really "watching" the show) when they revealed it was a bunch of chumps in lab coats behind it all. Its like Dorothy finding out the Wizard of Oz is a little fat snake oil salesman from Salina, Kansas.Could I suspend disbelief for a supernatural cause? Sure. Suspend for an exercise in mind control/biological warfare/just for kicks? Nah.IT"S A TV SHOW!This is one of the things that gets me the most. If everything on this island, and the purpose for everyone being there, is competely manufactured, how in the hell do they get everyone on the same flight by that kind of manipulation of their lives. Most corporations and government agencies cant put together a proper gd company picnic, let alone this bull####.
I'm still holding out hope that Satan is really behind Dharma and will appear with cloven hooves, horn and tail, a sea monster will eat that annoying fat ******* Hurley, and the ghost of Abraham Lincoln will have relations with the crazy French chick. :fingerscrossed:
THAT'S a horse of a different color right there!
I don't know anything about nanobots, and as far as I know, they aren't part of the show.
You just mean as a reflection of self, no fear for what they've done or what they are? Because Eko knows he is saved and is reformed, the fear has nothing to latch on to? I guess the same could be said of Locke as well when he was confronted.
Maybe they've filmed his scenes in advance.
Its either him making the point of just how powerful and secretive these people are, OR ITS REALLY HELL!!!!!
Couple thoughts on last night's episode.When Henry mentions that not even God can see this island and he hears (what we assume) is the electromagnet warming up.
Or they have an Omniscient-Proof Dome! *cue creepy music*Its either him making the point of just how powerful and secretive these people are, OR ITS REALLY HELL!!!!!
as a page marker, so I can pick up reading where I'm leaving off. Good posts these past few pages! 
Locke has faith, but his faith in people has been shaken, at least twice, by his father. His girlfriend's faith in him was shaken, too, with the money and his father. He's constantly having his faith tested, and that's manifested itself several times, like when he tried to open the hatch (and the thing grabbed him), when he trusted Gale, and when he got conned by Sawyer. Eko didn't have faith in anything but himself, until he turned his life over to God. Now he's unshakable.
Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think people are arguing that Dave isn't an imaginary friend, just that the island version may not be Hurley's mental problem like he was in the institution.As it has been pointed out before, Dave never touched anything except Hurley in the institution, but on the island he definitely interacted with objects besides Hurley. I still don't think he is "real" or wasn't imaginary in the institution, but that Dave appearing on the island has more to do with the mind games that we saw Kate, Sawyer, Michael and Jack go through, not to mention the monster reading Eko's mind.
I hilighted the "noise like a magnet" and the numbers flipping back on their own because, Henry is a liar and how does he know what a magnet turning on sounds like. He does know that this hatch is the electromagnetic hatch.The #s flipping by themself will distroy Lockes Faith and divide them. Locke is mainly responsible for the #s being entered, So Henry is a liar and wants Locke to believe that he doesn't have to put in the #s. After all "This! This is nothing."
So when is Vincent going to get a flashback/backstory episode??????
I'm glad this is finally being mentioned (and if someone mentioned it before my apologies but I missed it). Whoever "He" is, it's someone The Others are damn scared of. Mr. Friendly ("Zeke") seemed worried about "his" reaction to Ethan not following the plan with regard to Claire's abduction and Henry is convinced whoever "he" is will kill him if he says a word about what he's up to. Whoever this person is he's wielding a ton of power and exerting enough influence to generate fear among The Others who are carrying out whatever plan(s) he is implementing.
I'm not so sure I agree with this part of your theory. I think it's entirely possible The Others are not as powerful as they appear. Recall when Jack and Mr. Friendly were face-to-face and Jack essentially called him on that very point and there was a noticeable flinch on Mr. Friendly's face that led me to speculate at the time that Jack had nailed it. The Others weren't quite as powerful and were making an overt show of force to try and lead the survivors into thinking they were more dominant then they really were. It was only when they produced Kate as a hostage that they were able to elude Jack's line of questioning about the true nature of their power and strength. If they really were all powerful it seems to me they could've wiped out all of the survivors by now (or at least the ones who aren't "good"). Perhaps one of the reasons why they haven't is because they are aware that when push comes to shove they may not win the fight. I don't think this point has been forgotten by Jack and I believe it will return at a later date when he really begins to take the "war" to them.
Or perhaps they don't want to kill them. Ethan showed that he was a very competent hunter and a skilled woodsman (carried two hostages ahead of a running Jack and heroine-boy), as well as a skilled fighter (whupped Jack and managed to penetrate the perimeter of their defenses to kill Scott). Assuming he wasn't just a blip, but rather indicative of the abilities of The Others, I think that The Others could take them. Throw in their seeming ability to acquire tools from the outside (a boat, medical supplies, theater makeup, fuel for the boat, food, etc...), it's not so hard to imagine that they could acquire some interesting weaponry and, combined with their hunting/combat prowess and knowledge of the geography make short work of the 45 or so civilians holed-up on shore.
And yet nearly everything they've done has been in the undercover of the night which leads me to wonder if they lack the resources for a complete assault and must attempt to work in stealth in order to mask their own weaknesses. If they are truly capable of wiping the survivors out without a worry then they don't need to carry out their plans only at night, they can attack in the daylight without fear of being turned back (and yes I realize the dramatic implications of such events occuring in nightfall and don't dispute that aspect of the storytelling). They've assaulted some but not all of the survivors and they've abducted some but not all. The question then is why not just carry out the job and take who they want and kill who they want and be done with survivors completely?Of course, that question may lie at the very heart of the entire drama which is the reason why we haven't seen a direct and more complete attempt at an assault by The Others.
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