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Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.

Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)
:goodposting: I'm sure the Apple version is great and all. My coworkers data connection appears to be better than mine :rant: but to say better than google maps ever was is misleading.

The main reason the wife and I bought our first droids over apple was because of the turn by turn directions and the robustness of the navigation.

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Interesting here....

Question for those of us who use battery cases... I personally leave my case on at all times and the phone frequently will go all day without having to dip into the phone's battery (ie Charging icon disappears and it starts using the phone batt).... but sometimes it will do so and drain down to 80 or 70 pct before I plug it in at night which fully charges the case and phone.

You're saying that sort of behavior (recharging after only slight/partial discharge) is bad for the battery? I typically try to let it run down to 10% or less at least once every week or two. That said I'd like to be certain the way I use this battery case isn't bad for the phone.

Thanks

If you are using it like that it may be bad long term for your phone cell. But compared to the normal use case it is probably going to keep your cycles down to a really reasonable level which will compensate for this and possibly then some. I would certainly count on never converting to a caseless world in 2 years if you were so inclined on that cell.

Sorry okay but what do you mean by the bolded?

Finally... so optimal use involves a full discharge and full recharge on every cycle?

Thanks for the feedback :thumbup:

Proper aging of a LI cell involves expending ~80% of the capacity or charging ~80% of the capacity in each cycle. If in a constant see-saw performance will degrade more quickly. However, even in a worst case at a 2 year mark or 600ish cycles the total capacity will be impacted maybe 25% vs 10% in an ideal case.

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Interesting here....

Question for those of us who use battery cases... I personally leave my case on at all times and the phone frequently will go all day without having to dip into the phone's battery (ie Charging icon disappears and it starts using the phone batt).... but sometimes it will do so and drain down to 80 or 70 pct before I plug it in at night which fully charges the case and phone.

You're saying that sort of behavior (recharging after only slight/partial discharge) is bad for the battery? I typically try to let it run down to 10% or less at least once every week or two. That said I'd like to be certain the way I use this battery case isn't bad for the phone.

Thanks

If you are using it like that it may be bad long term for your phone cell. But compared to the normal use case it is probably going to keep your cycles down to a really reasonable level which will compensate for this and possibly then some. I would certainly count on never converting to a caseless world in 2 years if you were so inclined on that cell.

Sorry okay but what do you mean by the bolded?

Finally... so optimal use involves a full discharge and full recharge on every cycle?

Thanks for the feedback :thumbup:

Proper aging of a LI cell involves expending ~80% of the capacity or charging ~80% of the capacity in each cycle. If in a constant see-saw performance will degrade more quickly. However, even in a worst case at a 2 year mark or 600ish cycles the total capacity will be impacted maybe 25% vs 10% in an ideal case.
Excellent to know. Thanks. :thumbup:

I don't plan on having this phone beyond the 2 year mark but I'm also the type that actually cares about this stuff so I want to maximize it.

My MacBook Pro has 3+ years and a ####load of cycles on it (~800 i think?) and it's still at over 90% of capacity. (verified by Coconut Battery App). It's kinda nice.

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Any leads on iPhone 5 juice packs or what brand to stick with (that was successful for the 4's)?

ETA: I'm guessing anything that takes a usb input will suffice for now

ETA2: How many mAh is in the iPhone 5, they don't seem to share this on their tech specs page on apple.com

looks like 1440...

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Interesting here....

Question for those of us who use battery cases... I personally leave my case on at all times and the phone frequently will go all day without having to dip into the phone's battery (ie Charging icon disappears and it starts using the phone batt).... but sometimes it will do so and drain down to 80 or 70 pct before I plug it in at night which fully charges the case and phone.

You're saying that sort of behavior (recharging after only slight/partial discharge) is bad for the battery? I typically try to let it run down to 10% or less at least once every week or two. That said I'd like to be certain the way I use this battery case isn't bad for the phone.

Thanks

If you are using it like that it may be bad long term for your phone cell. But compared to the normal use case it is probably going to keep your cycles down to a really reasonable level which will compensate for this and possibly then some. I would certainly count on never converting to a caseless world in 2 years if you were so inclined on that cell.

Sorry okay but what do you mean by the bolded?

Finally... so optimal use involves a full discharge and full recharge on every cycle?

Thanks for the feedback :thumbup:

Proper aging of a LI cell involves expending ~80% of the capacity or charging ~80% of the capacity in each cycle. If in a constant see-saw performance will degrade more quickly. However, even in a worst case at a 2 year mark or 600ish cycles the total capacity will be impacted maybe 25% vs 10% in an ideal case.
Excellent to know. Thanks. :thumbup:

I don't plan on having this phone beyond the 2 year mark but I'm also the type that actually cares about this stuff so I want to maximize it.

My MacBook Pro has 3+ years and a ####load of cycles on it (~800 i think?) and it's still at over 90% of capacity. (verified by Coconut Battery App). It's kinda nice.

MBP are 6 cell batteries. Totally different animal. Much easier to handle aging on a multi-cell module.

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Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.

Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)
:goodposting: I'm sure the Apple version is great and all. My coworkers data connection appears to be better than mine :rant: but to say better than google maps ever was is misleading.

The main reason the wife and I bought our first droids over apple was because of the turn by turn directions and the robustness of the navigation.

Exactly why Apple had to make this move. Google Maps on iOS was never going to compete with Google Maps on Android, and the gap between them was increasing year-after-year. Apple can't afford to have their main competitor in control of such a curtail part of their device. So they endure some short term pain in order to put themselves on a competitive playing field for the future. This isn't rocket science, boys.

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Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.

Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)
:goodposting: I'm sure the Apple version is great and all. My coworkers data connection appears to be better than mine :rant: but to say better than google maps ever was is misleading.

The main reason the wife and I bought our first droids over apple was because of the turn by turn directions and the robustness of the navigation.

Exactly why Apple had to make this move. Google Maps on iOS was never going to compete with Google Maps on Android, and the gap between them was increasing year-after-year. Apple can't afford to have their main competitor in control of such a curtail part of their device. So they endure some short term pain in order to put themselves on a competitive playing field for the future. This isn't rocket science, boys.
Totally agree. And I'm not trying to bash, just trying to relay information. I like the new phone, it's sleeker than I though it would be. I'm just spoiled with my big screen now :bag:. At least now I feel like my options are "equal" with one another.

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Serious question - is the iphone lte phone faster connection than a android let phone?

Is there something in the hardware that can make it faster?

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Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.

Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)
:goodposting: I'm sure the Apple version is great and all. My coworkers data connection appears to be better than mine :rant: but to say better than google maps ever was is misleading.

The main reason the wife and I bought our first droids over apple was because of the turn by turn directions and the robustness of the navigation.

Exactly why Apple had to make this move. Google Maps on iOS was never going to compete with Google Maps on Android, and the gap between them was increasing year-after-year. Apple can't afford to have their main competitor in control of such a curtail part of their device. So they endure some short term pain in order to put themselves on a competitive playing field for the future. This isn't rocket science, boys.
No...just shows people like you having major hypocrisy as you laugh at google/android when they have ever pushed something out saying "it will get better".

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Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.

Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)
:goodposting: I'm sure the Apple version is great and all. My coworkers data connection appears to be better than mine :rant: but to say better than google maps ever was is misleading.

The main reason the wife and I bought our first droids over apple was because of the turn by turn directions and the robustness of the navigation.

Exactly why Apple had to make this move. Google Maps on iOS was never going to compete with Google Maps on Android, and the gap between them was increasing year-after-year. Apple can't afford to have their main competitor in control of such a curtail part of their device. So they endure some short term pain in order to put themselves on a competitive playing field for the future. This isn't rocket science, boys.
Even if you buy into that, there is no excuse for releasing Maps in this state. They should have waited a generation if it wasn't ready.

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Just read that in order to sync iP5 with iTunes on Macbook, the Macbook needs to be running OS X 10.6.8. Well, my Macbook isn't compatible with OS X 10.6.8, it's an older model (2007/08???). I know one is able to have the iP5 without a computer. How is this done? How do I subscribe to the podcasts that I want? How do I sync my iTunes library to the iP5? Is this done via iCloud? 99% of my music is ripped from CDs. Will iClouds allow me to put my music on the iP5 without purchasing iTunes Match? How do I backup my iP5,when and if I get one? Who knows if I will with these limitations? Am I missing something that clearly makes having an older Macbook and an iP5 possible? :unsure::confused:

Anyone?

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Maps works great here. How is it not "ready"?

:goodposting:I have not had any problems with maps. What exactly is the issue?

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Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.

Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)
:goodposting: I'm sure the Apple version is great and all. My coworkers data connection appears to be better than mine :rant: but to say better than google maps ever was is misleading.

The main reason the wife and I bought our first droids over apple was because of the turn by turn directions and the robustness of the navigation.

Exactly why Apple had to make this move. Google Maps on iOS was never going to compete with Google Maps on Android, and the gap between them was increasing year-after-year. Apple can't afford to have their main competitor in control of such a crucial part of their device. So they endure some short term pain in order to put themselves on a competitive playing field for the future. This isn't rocket science, boys.
Even if you buy into that, there is no excuse for releasing Maps in this state. They should have waited a generation if it wasn't ready.
There is nothing to "buy into", Tommy. Apple has followed this identical course with numerous technologies over the years. Ever since they were held hostage by Motorola with the PowerPC chips, Apple decided that above all else they needed to control their own destiny. :shrug:

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It just got here. Impressed so far

I didn't realize it was narrower. Still feels solid even though its lighter

Fast as hell :thumbup:

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Do you guys backup to the cloud? If so, did you purchase more cloud storage space? What else is the cloud good for?

I do but Im not even sure why. I just bought more space because I got tired of seeing the message that I had not backed up in 32 weeks and there was not enough storage left for me to back up.I paid the 20 bucks and now am almost out of the extra 10 gbs. I have no idea why or what gets saved to the cloud

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Do text message histories/archives get backed up on iTunes? Where is it? Those didn't make it over to the new phone when I synced

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cousin let my see hers the other day :bag:

the panorama picture is pretty nice

and the 4g lte?! wow

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The one thing that cracks me up is that a lot of iPhone users are truly amazed at how fast LTE is. Just goes to show that a lot of iPhone users have never even held an android device and why Apple is making boatloads.

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The one thing that cracks me up is that a lot of iPhone users are truly amazed at how fast LTE is. Just goes to show that a lot of iPhone users have never even held an android device and why Apple is making boatloads.

I think part of it is because apple makes the better product. Speed isn't everything.

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The one thing that cracks me up is that a lot of iPhone users are truly amazed at how fast LTE is. Just goes to show that a lot of iPhone users have never even held an android device and why Apple is making boatloads.

I think part of it is because apple makes the better product. Speed isn't everything.
This. I had a 4g Evo and loved the speed, but that wasn't everything.

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The one thing that cracks me up is that a lot of iPhone users are truly amazed at how fast LTE is. Just goes to show that a lot of iPhone users have never even held an android device and why Apple is making boatloads.

I came from a droid with LTE on Verizon and it was slow as balls, not to mention the keyboard typing 5 letters at once when it got too humid out and it was a no-brainer.

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"burning" the battery down to zero to give it a full charge, normally I would top it off each night, but will give it a full cycle charge once it gets to 0.

I didn't have it plugged in last night and I turned wifi on today, looks like it is at 40%.

I installed carat, but what is a low profile battery app that will tell me % battery life left? I didn't see an option to turn on battery % under iPhone settings.

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"burning" the battery down to zero to give it a full charge, normally I would top it off each night, but will give it a full cycle charge once it gets to 0.I didn't have it plugged in last night and I turned wifi on today, looks like it is at 40%.I installed carat, but what is a low profile battery app that will tell me % battery life left? I didn't see an option to turn on battery % under iPhone settings.

Settings/General/Usage -> Battery Percentage

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The one thing that cracks me up is that a lot of iPhone users are truly amazed at how fast LTE is. Just goes to show that a lot of iPhone users have never even held an android device and why Apple is making boatloads.

I think part of it is because apple makesmade the better product. Speed isn't everything.
Definitely true with phones pre ICS, imo. I think its hard to say that one is better than the other anymore. Better for certain preferences, sure.

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Do text message histories/archives get backed up on iTunes? Where is it? Those didn't make it over to the new phone when I synced

No. But they don't go away unless you delete them either.

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Do text message histories/archives get backed up on iTunes? Where is it? Those didn't make it over to the new phone when I synced

No. But they don't go away unless you delete them either.
they must get backed up somehow. i killed my last 3GS two years ago and did a restore from backup then. When i restored from backup this morning onto the 5 (After doing another backup of the 3GS), i had only texts and phone history up until the backup 2 years ago. So i must have chosen the wrong backup (old vs. new)any idea where the backup files that iTunes uses are stored? i.e. which folders in Windows?

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I can't get my new iphone to sync over wifi. WTF?!?!?!

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The one thing that cracks me up is that a lot of iPhone users are truly amazed at how fast LTE is. Just goes to show that a lot of iPhone users have never even held an android device and why Apple is making boatloads.

I think part of it is because apple makes the better product. Speed isn't everything.
Funny...I would definitely say the latest generation Androids surpass the iPhone 5, after playing with it, but it is close enough it'll vary person to person. It isn't just speed, but Android and iPhone are very equivalent OSes at this stage of the game, when talking about their latest offerings. It's really about the eco-system and what your friends/family have, not about which one is really objectively "better" at this point. Edited by Maelstrom

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Its not about the OSes in my opinion, it is with the hardware/software integration or compatibility or whatever you want to call it. I had a droid, my buddy had a droid. If the device got too humid you try to type on it and it spits out 5 letters at once there was very little you could do. My buddy's droid's screen has dead spots on it. When the company that makes the device is a different company that writes the OS you are bound to have problems. The Nexus One is the only android I read about that had a good (and consistent) user-experience.

Another example was trying to use Facebook on it. The screen would constantly shift when typing to show the left nav-bar so you could not see the letters you were typing, or when in landscape mode you would type 2 letters and then the keyboard would disappear since the keyboard was taking up too much of the screen, I'd have to type a letter or two, keyboard disappears again, then had to tap on the field (making sure I tapped at the end of where I typed), type two more letters, rinse and repeat. It was a piece of crap.

As far as battery life, I'm not sure what GS3 people are seeing but I'm going on day 2 of trying to drain this battery in the iPhone5, had wifi turned on all day (idle) and now I'm trying to load movies on to it, play movies etc...so that I can give it a full charge, but it hasn't drained yet.

I ordered this for a sailing trip I am going on in a week:

http://amzn.to/P34XQI

just an fyi - I bought this yesterday and today it is half off (from a different reseller in Cali), no prime though

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Its not about the OSes in my opinion, it is with the hardware/software integration or compatibility or whatever you want to call it. I had a droid, my buddy had a droid. If the device got too humid you try to type on it and it spits out 5 letters at once there was very little you could do. My buddy's droid's screen has dead spots on it. When the company that makes the device is a different company that writes the OS you are bound to have problems. The Nexus One is the only android I read about that had a good (and consistent) user-experience.

Another example was trying to use Facebook on it. The screen would constantly shift when typing to show the left nav-bar so you could not see the letters you were typing, or when in landscape mode you would type 2 letters and then the keyboard would disappear since the keyboard was taking up too much of the screen, I'd have to type a letter or two, keyboard disappears again, then had to tap on the field (making sure I tapped at the end of where I typed), type two more letters, rinse and repeat. It was a piece of crap.

As far as battery life, I'm not sure what GS3 people are seeing but I'm going on day 2 of trying to drain this battery in the iPhone5, had wifi turned on all day (idle) and now I'm trying to load movies on to it, play movies etc...so that I can give it a full charge, but it hasn't drained yet.

I ordered this for a sailing trip I am going on in a week:

http://amzn.to/P34XQI

just an fyi - I bought this yesterday and today it is half off (from a different reseller in Cali), no prime though

I would agree with that - you really have to be careful who you trust and even in the same brand on Android you want to check reviews for the model you are looking at. No question Apple generally does a great job on quality control.

Thanks for that link, just ordered one myself (been looking for something like this as I have an unremovable battery in my HTC One X, so for real heavy use days, like conferences or traveling, it is nice to have a backup.)

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Walmart called tonight to say mine was in. Preordered for delivery on the 21st but something went wrong with their shipment and they only got white phones in for all of their orders. Offered me the white and i declined. Glad my black is finally in....will pick up after work tomorrow!!!

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Maps works great here. How is it not "ready"?

:goodposting:I have not had any problems with maps. What exactly is the issue?
It obviously depends on where you use it. Twice I used it and the directions were horrible.

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Maps works great here. How is it not "ready"?

:goodposting:I have not had any problems with maps. What exactly is the issue?
Obviously it depends on what you are trying to do with it. I tried to get directions to Greenville, NC and it brought up directions to Greenville, SC. I was able to get Siri to get me the right directions and the directions worked perfectly.

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This is comical,got the 20% warning 20 minutes ago, guess I need to leave it unplugged a second night - Bluetooth has beenon all this time, tried turning brightness up but it was too damn bright, lol.

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Do you HAVE to let it drain to <20%? Mine gets to 30% or so after a day's use normally. Then I charge it in the morning before leaving for work which gets it up to 96%-100% depending. Is that not good?

Have you guys used shared photo stream yet? How does it work? How do you like it?

When you put photos into different folders, is there any way to remove them from the overall huge camera roll, so that they just appear in the folder? I like to put big chunks of photos from events into their own folder, but leave general pictures in the camera roll, but the camera roll is getting hard to navigate.

Do you guys use any special or particular cloth to keep your iphone screen and backs clean? Or just a regular microfiber or glasses cloth?

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The one thing that cracks me up is that a lot of iPhone users are truly amazed at how fast LTE is. Just goes to show that a lot of iPhone users have never even held an android device and why Apple is making boatloads.

Renaldo Nehamiah was a really fast wide receiver.

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This battery life is freaking phenomenal compared to the EVO I was using

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This battery life is freaking phenomenal compared to the EVO I was using

Yup. I had an extended battery on my Evo and still always plugged it in. Even with the extended battery it would need an afternoon charge even when I started the day at 100%.

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This battery life is freaking phenomenal compared to the EVO I was using

Yup. I had an extended battery on my Evo and still always plugged it in. Even with the extended battery it would need an afternoon charge even when I started the day at 100%.
It's worth the switch for that alone. Just posted this in the EVO thread:

So I switched over to the iphone5. I've got all of the same (if not very similar) apps that I had on my EVO. The biggest difference is the battery life alone. It's night and day. I'm trying an experiment today: I left the house today and unplugged my EVO from the charger (100% charge, wifi only, no cellular) running all of the same apps as my iphone. I bet when I get home that the EVO will be drastically drained even though I will have been using the iphone for my personal use.

Pros

[*]facetime (much better than skype)

[*]camera is much better

[*]faster & smoother

[*]battery life

Cons

[*]Can't archive in gmail (have to use an extra click)

[*]Just a steeper learning curve

[*]can't snooze a reminder

There may be a few workarounds for the cons, but I haven't taken the time yet. So far, zero regrets

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This battery life is freaking phenomenal compared to the EVO I was using

Yup. I had an extended battery on my Evo and still always plugged it in. Even with the extended battery it would need an afternoon charge even when I started the day at 100%.
Wow... that's terrible.

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This battery life is freaking phenomenal compared to the EVO I was using

Yup. I had an extended battery on my Evo and still always plugged it in. Even with the extended battery it would need an afternoon charge even when I started the day at 100%.
It's worth the switch for that alone. Just posted this in the EVO thread:

So I switched over to the iphone5. I've got all of the same (if not very similar) apps that I had on my EVO. The biggest difference is the battery life alone. It's night and day. I'm trying an experiment today: I left the house today and unplugged my EVO from the charger (100% charge, wifi only, no cellular) running all of the same apps as my iphone. I bet when I get home that the EVO will be drastically drained even though I will have been using the iphone for my personal use.

Pros

[*]facetime (much better than skype)

[*]camera is much better

[*]faster & smoother

[*]battery life

Cons

[*]Can't archive in gmail (have to use an extra click)

[*]Just a steeper learning curve

[*]can't snooze a reminder

There may be a few workarounds for the cons, but I haven't taken the time yet. So far, zero regrets

I don't understand how this is apples to apples here. Doesn't battery life degrade over time? A new battery is always going to have superior life.

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This battery life is freaking phenomenal compared to the EVO I was using

Yup. I had an extended battery on my Evo and still always plugged it in. Even with the extended battery it would need an afternoon charge even when I started the day at 100%.
It's worth the switch for that alone. Just posted this in the EVO thread:

So I switched over to the iphone5. I've got all of the same (if not very similar) apps that I had on my EVO. The biggest difference is the battery life alone. It's night and day. I'm trying an experiment today: I left the house today and unplugged my EVO from the charger (100% charge, wifi only, no cellular) running all of the same apps as my iphone. I bet when I get home that the EVO will be drastically drained even though I will have been using the iphone for my personal use.

Pros

[*]facetime (much better than skype)

[*]camera is much better

[*]faster & smoother

[*]battery life

Cons

[*]Can't archive in gmail (have to use an extra click)

[*]Just a steeper learning curve

[*]can't snooze a reminder

There may be a few workarounds for the cons, but I haven't taken the time yet. So far, zero regrets

I don't understand how this is apples to apples here. Doesn't battery life degrade over time? A new battery is always going to have superior life.
It's probably not apples to apples...but that's always been the biggest problem with the EVO (one of Androids most successful phones).

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Ok, so I just got the 5 which I ordered through the apple store. I'm a Verizon customer. How do I go about activating it and is there anything that I need to make sure to do before doing so?

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