The Apple iPhone Thread (5 Viewers)

[sho nuff]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

Or...its an issue like the antenna...and it affects more people than people like you and goons will ever admit while you downplay it all...because "amazingly" everything works perfect for you so it can't be an issue.It will get fixed and people will move on.Yet...if the same thing happened to a new Droid phone (can't say for sure what you would do but...) goons would be one of the first mocking Android for releasing something before it was ready.

I don't care much about Droid, personally. Looks like a nice phone.I seem to remember when antenna-gate came out, that they demonstrated that lots of other phones had the same kinds of problems when you held them a certain way. For me, and everyone I knew, they never experienced the issue, except when it was pinpointed out that if you do THIS EXACT THING, your signal will drop. Well, in normal use for most people, they don't do that, so in practice, it wasn't much of an issue for most people (especially considering most use cases).In maps, the issue is even more benign, because unlike the antenna, which is hardware and wouldn't self-correct, Maps will get better as more people use it and Apple improves the data quality of location information, and updates the geographical map information they're using.Also, most people I've spoken with have had a fine time using maps to get them from point A to point B or to find local businesses. It's only when people point out THIS EXACT THING where streets are missing for some, or this looks funny here, that people notice. Do those things need to be corrected? Of course...are they flaws? yes. But overall, the app is pretty good, and in my limited experience, it beats Google Maps.Also, just like other phones having the same antenna flaw, people don't remember google maps and the flaws it had, and still has, in improperly placing the locations of businesses/residents, and maps being out of date. I've had a number of times, one recounted earlier, where it just flat out was wrong on the location of things, including my home, and I didn't make a big fuss over it...I just figured out how to get around it, and appreciated the other 99/100 times it worked.Much ado about nothing here, for most people. Apple should correct it, but people should calm down.

But again...this is the point...how unlike Apple is it to rush something out that is simply subpar. Its ok to admit it is (you basically do by insisting it will get better, and I agree it will).And pointing out that google maps had problems in the past does not make it all better either.Its ok...you are an apologist...but no need to keep acting as if its just no big deal that they did this.

 

[sho nuff]

anybody having WiFi problems after upgrading to iOS 6? I upgraded my 4S with a wired connection through iTunes last week, and since then my WiFi on/off toggle has been greyed out. seems like it is a pretty common problem. I've rebooted and reset all network settings, but stopped short of doing a full restore.has this happened to anyone else? I don't really want to restore my phone or take it in for a new one, but I haven't read anything yet that says Apple is working on a patch...

Thought they had that fixed as it was an issue early on.Wife has not mentioned anything on her 4s since upgrading and the iPad2 is working just fine on our wifi.

 

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-Keep putting your phone on a charger--This is the absolute worst idea, period. Do this and your phone will automatically cut your capacity down and it won't take long. Never, ever "top off" a LI cell ESPECIALLY when it has not relaxed. She is reporting the worst possible case, use your phone, don't let it relax and then charge from high SOC to something higher, maybe not even 100. This will NUKE your capacity faster than listening to your Justin Bieber Pandora room.

Interesting here.... Question for those of us who use battery cases... I personally leave my case on at all times and the phone frequently will go all day without having to dip into the phone's battery (ie Charging icon disappears and it starts using the phone batt).... but sometimes it will do so and drain down to 80 or 70 pct before I plug it in at night which fully charges the case and phone. You're saying that sort of behavior (recharging after only slight/partial discharge) is bad for the battery? I typically try to let it run down to 10% or less at least once every week or two. That said I'd like to be certain the way I use this battery case isn't bad for the phone. Thanks

 

[culdeus]

-Keep putting your phone on a charger--This is the absolute worst idea, period. Do this and your phone will automatically cut your capacity down and it won't take long. Never, ever "top off" a LI cell ESPECIALLY when it has not relaxed. She is reporting the worst possible case, use your phone, don't let it relax and then charge from high SOC to something higher, maybe not even 100. This will NUKE your capacity faster than listening to your Justin Bieber Pandora room.

Interesting here.... Question for those of us who use battery cases... I personally leave my case on at all times and the phone frequently will go all day without having to dip into the phone's battery (ie Charging icon disappears and it starts using the phone batt).... but sometimes it will do so and drain down to 80 or 70 pct before I plug it in at night which fully charges the case and phone. You're saying that sort of behavior (recharging after only slight/partial discharge) is bad for the battery? I typically try to let it run down to 10% or less at least once every week or two. That said I'd like to be certain the way I use this battery case isn't bad for the phone. Thanks

If you are using it like that it may be bad long term for your phone cell. But compared to the normal use case it is probably going to keep your cycles down to a really reasonable level which will compensate for this and possibly then some. I would certainly count on never converting to a caseless world in 2 years if you were so inclined on that cell.

 

[zDragon]

Speed Test at work:Wifiing: 82msDownload: 8.02 MbpsUpload: 6.62 MbpsLTE (AT&T)ing: 127msDownload: 13.51 MbpsUpload: 18.73 MbpsSpeed Test at home:Will edit and update later.

I was just reading the ARS review of the iPhone 5. It seems a lot of people here are getting a lot better numbers than they did. The test was in Chicago and Verizon. Especially on the upload side. So is there that big a difference from City to City and between carriers?

35ms 11.01Mbps 8.64Mbps

 

[bagger]

anyone had any feedback on the maps app yet?

 

[Tiger Fan]

Here's a good article on gaining extra battery life with io6 - http://www.imore.com/how-fix-battery-life-problems-ios-6-or-iphone-5

Maybe a refresher for those who have had apple, but as an android convert; it was pretty useful

There is lots to not like about this article. Some advice is good, but some is flat out mis-informed.

Can you elaborate ?

The big issue with IOS is they try to handle backgrounding in an inefficient way to make the user experience a little more seamless. Finding ways to auto-kill apps after a timeout should be a priority. It has always been a weakness, plus Apple greenlights apps that just such the hell out of your battery even when on. This article does go a ways to identifying and finding some workarounds for this issue.With that out of the way she makes two horribly out of date suggestions:

-Drain battery to empty then full

--This does nothing on an Iphone. For one your "empty" is far from empty. It is more like 10% SOC, but your phone reports 0. If a li-ion battery really does go to empty it does tremendous harm to the cell. Damage that is not recoverable. This is old thinking from halide batteries that persist to this day.

-What she should have said

--Let your battery cross the "flat zone" 5x in a week. What is the flat zone? It is the period reported at 20-80 SOC. Your phone will learn the capacity better. Your phone also will throttle you if you are bouncing too much which leads to this. This is not something that has to happen alot, just once every couple of months.

-Keep putting your phone on a charger

--This is the absolute worst idea, period. Do this and your phone will automatically cut your capacity down and it won't take long. Never, ever "top off" a LI cell ESPECIALLY when it has not relaxed. She is reporting the worst possible case, use your phone, don't let it relax and then charge from high SOC to something higher, maybe not even 100. This will NUKE your capacity faster than listening to your Justin Bieber Pandora room.

So if I leave the phone on the charger while I'm sleeping, that's a bad thing (what you refer to as "topping off"

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Do you guys just keep the HDR option on all the time? I don't even know what that camera option means really.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Those concerned about battery life...

check out the App "Carat" by AMP labs...

interesting...anyone tried it yet?

 

[Mario Kart]

Not sure if it is iOS6 or what but I have had to do a soft restart a handful of times in the past couple of days. Also, battery life is going, going, fast.

 

[culdeus]

Here's a good article on gaining extra battery life with io6 - http://www.imore.com/how-fix-battery-life-problems-ios-6-or-iphone-5

Maybe a refresher for those who have had apple, but as an android convert; it was pretty useful

There is lots to not like about this article. Some advice is good, but some is flat out mis-informed.

Can you elaborate ?

The big issue with IOS is they try to handle backgrounding in an inefficient way to make the user experience a little more seamless. Finding ways to auto-kill apps after a timeout should be a priority. It has always been a weakness, plus Apple greenlights apps that just such the hell out of your battery even when on. This article does go a ways to identifying and finding some workarounds for this issue.With that out of the way she makes two horribly out of date suggestions:

-Drain battery to empty then full

--This does nothing on an Iphone. For one your "empty" is far from empty. It is more like 10% SOC, but your phone reports 0. If a li-ion battery really does go to empty it does tremendous harm to the cell. Damage that is not recoverable. This is old thinking from halide batteries that persist to this day.

-What she should have said

--Let your battery cross the "flat zone" 5x in a week. What is the flat zone? It is the period reported at 20-80 SOC. Your phone will learn the capacity better. Your phone also will throttle you if you are bouncing too much which leads to this. This is not something that has to happen alot, just once every couple of months.

-Keep putting your phone on a charger

--This is the absolute worst idea, period. Do this and your phone will automatically cut your capacity down and it won't take long. Never, ever "top off" a LI cell ESPECIALLY when it has not relaxed. She is reporting the worst possible case, use your phone, don't let it relax and then charge from high SOC to something higher, maybe not even 100. This will NUKE your capacity faster than listening to your Justin Bieber Pandora room.

So if I leave the phone on the charger while I'm sleeping, that's a bad thing (what you refer to as "topping off"

No, at 100% SOC your phone will terminate charging the cell and the phone runs off the DC.

 

[Osaurus]

I thought throttling on unlimited plans grandfathered in on AT&T starts at 5 GB on LTE. Link. Not 3 GB like on 3G. I wasn't sure it applied to iPhones or not.

 

[Tiger Fan]

A few questions from a noob after messing around:

1. Is there a way to snooze a reminder? Seems like there should be, but it's not intuitive

2. Is there a way to kill all running apps at once?

3. Is there a way to turn all notifications/ringer to vibrate at once? It looks like I have to do each one separate...that can't be right....right?

4. For those that use gmail, is there a way to archive a message automatically w/o having to choose a folder?

 

[Billy Bats]

anybody having WiFi problems after upgrading to iOS 6? I upgraded my 4S with a wired connection through iTunes last week, and since then my WiFi on/off toggle has been greyed out. seems like it is a pretty common problem. I've rebooted and reset all network settings, but stopped short of doing a full restore.

has this happened to anyone else? I don't really want to restore my phone or take it in for a new one, but I haven't read anything yet that says Apple is working on a patch...

Found this story just now. Not a fix but at least they're aware of the issue.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So does the reply to calls with text or set a reminder to call a person back options only appear if you receive a call while using the phone? I got calls today while not using the phone and only had the slide to answer option on the lock screen.

What other secrets features and Easter eggs are out there?

 

[Tiger Fan]

So does the reply to calls with text or set a reminder to call a person back options only appear if you receive a call while using the phone? I got calls today while not using the phone and only had the slide to answer option on the lock screen. What other secrets features and Easter eggs are out there?

Not necessarily secrets, but I found these helpfulhttp://www.imore.com/ios-6-6-minuteshttp://feeds.gawker.com/~r/lifehacker/full/~3/ZP4_yeZnDoc/all-the-awesome-things-you-can-do-with-a-long-press-on-your-iphone-ipad-or-ipad-touchhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB20000872396390444443504577603391662755170.html?mod=rss_Personal_Journal

 

[Maelstrom]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)

 

[Billy Bats]

Apple hiring google map techs.

 

[joffer]

Out for delivery

 

[Keerock]

Out for delivery

What's your tracking number?

 

[Ned]

Out for delivery

What's your tracking number?

Bucky will not be happy about this.

 

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Interesting here....

Question for those of us who use battery cases... I personally leave my case on at all times and the phone frequently will go all day without having to dip into the phone's battery (ie Charging icon disappears and it starts using the phone batt).... but sometimes it will do so and drain down to 80 or 70 pct before I plug it in at night which fully charges the case and phone.

You're saying that sort of behavior (recharging after only slight/partial discharge) is bad for the battery? I typically try to let it run down to 10% or less at least once every week or two. That said I'd like to be certain the way I use this battery case isn't bad for the phone.

Thanks

If you are using it like that it may be bad long term for your phone cell. But compared to the normal use case it is probably going to keep your cycles down to a really reasonable level which will compensate for this and possibly then some. I would certainly count on never converting to a caseless world in 2 years if you were so inclined on that cell.

Sorry okay but what do you mean by the bolded?

Finally... so optimal use involves a full discharge and full recharge on every cycle?

Thanks for the feedback

 

[belljr]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)

I'm sure the Apple version is great and all. My coworkers data connection appears to be better than mine but to say better than google maps ever was is misleading.The main reason the wife and I bought our first droids over apple was because of the turn by turn directions and the robustness of the navigation.

 

[culdeus]

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Interesting here....

Question for those of us who use battery cases... I personally leave my case on at all times and the phone frequently will go all day without having to dip into the phone's battery (ie Charging icon disappears and it starts using the phone batt).... but sometimes it will do so and drain down to 80 or 70 pct before I plug it in at night which fully charges the case and phone.

You're saying that sort of behavior (recharging after only slight/partial discharge) is bad for the battery? I typically try to let it run down to 10% or less at least once every week or two. That said I'd like to be certain the way I use this battery case isn't bad for the phone.

Thanks

If you are using it like that it may be bad long term for your phone cell. But compared to the normal use case it is probably going to keep your cycles down to a really reasonable level which will compensate for this and possibly then some. I would certainly count on never converting to a caseless world in 2 years if you were so inclined on that cell.

Sorry okay but what do you mean by the bolded?

Finally... so optimal use involves a full discharge and full recharge on every cycle?

Thanks for the feedback

Proper aging of a LI cell involves expending ~80% of the capacity or charging ~80% of the capacity in each cycle. If in a constant see-saw performance will degrade more quickly. However, even in a worst case at a 2 year mark or 600ish cycles the total capacity will be impacted maybe 25% vs 10% in an ideal case.

 

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Interesting here....

Question for those of us who use battery cases... I personally leave my case on at all times and the phone frequently will go all day without having to dip into the phone's battery (ie Charging icon disappears and it starts using the phone batt).... but sometimes it will do so and drain down to 80 or 70 pct before I plug it in at night which fully charges the case and phone.

You're saying that sort of behavior (recharging after only slight/partial discharge) is bad for the battery? I typically try to let it run down to 10% or less at least once every week or two. That said I'd like to be certain the way I use this battery case isn't bad for the phone.

Thanks

If you are using it like that it may be bad long term for your phone cell. But compared to the normal use case it is probably going to keep your cycles down to a really reasonable level which will compensate for this and possibly then some. I would certainly count on never converting to a caseless world in 2 years if you were so inclined on that cell.

Sorry okay but what do you mean by the bolded?

Finally... so optimal use involves a full discharge and full recharge on every cycle?

Thanks for the feedback

Proper aging of a LI cell involves expending ~80% of the capacity or charging ~80% of the capacity in each cycle. If in a constant see-saw performance will degrade more quickly. However, even in a worst case at a 2 year mark or 600ish cycles the total capacity will be impacted maybe 25% vs 10% in an ideal case.

Excellent to know. Thanks. I don't plan on having this phone beyond the 2 year mark but I'm also the type that actually cares about this stuff so I want to maximize it.

My MacBook Pro has 3+ years and a ####load of cycles on it (~800 i think?) and it's still at over 90% of capacity. (verified by Coconut Battery App). It's kinda nice.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Any leads on iPhone 5 juice packs or what brand to stick with (that was successful for the 4's)?

ETA: I'm guessing anything that takes a usb input will suffice for now

ETA2: How many mAh is in the iPhone 5, they don't seem to share this on their tech specs page on apple.com

looks like 1440...

 

[culdeus]

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Interesting here....

Question for those of us who use battery cases... I personally leave my case on at all times and the phone frequently will go all day without having to dip into the phone's battery (ie Charging icon disappears and it starts using the phone batt).... but sometimes it will do so and drain down to 80 or 70 pct before I plug it in at night which fully charges the case and phone.

You're saying that sort of behavior (recharging after only slight/partial discharge) is bad for the battery? I typically try to let it run down to 10% or less at least once every week or two. That said I'd like to be certain the way I use this battery case isn't bad for the phone.

Thanks

If you are using it like that it may be bad long term for your phone cell. But compared to the normal use case it is probably going to keep your cycles down to a really reasonable level which will compensate for this and possibly then some. I would certainly count on never converting to a caseless world in 2 years if you were so inclined on that cell.

Sorry okay but what do you mean by the bolded?

Finally... so optimal use involves a full discharge and full recharge on every cycle?

Thanks for the feedback

Proper aging of a LI cell involves expending ~80% of the capacity or charging ~80% of the capacity in each cycle. If in a constant see-saw performance will degrade more quickly. However, even in a worst case at a 2 year mark or 600ish cycles the total capacity will be impacted maybe 25% vs 10% in an ideal case.

Excellent to know. Thanks. I don't plan on having this phone beyond the 2 year mark but I'm also the type that actually cares about this stuff so I want to maximize it.

My MacBook Pro has 3+ years and a ####load of cycles on it (~800 i think?) and it's still at over 90% of capacity. (verified by Coconut Battery App). It's kinda nice.

MBP are 6 cell batteries. Totally different animal. Much easier to handle aging on a multi-cell module.

 

[goonsquad]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)

I'm sure the Apple version is great and all. My coworkers data connection appears to be better than mine but to say better than google maps ever was is misleading.The main reason the wife and I bought our first droids over apple was because of the turn by turn directions and the robustness of the navigation.

Exactly why Apple had to make this move. Google Maps on iOS was never going to compete with Google Maps on Android, and the gap between them was increasing year-after-year. Apple can't afford to have their main competitor in control of such a curtail part of their device. So they endure some short term pain in order to put themselves on a competitive playing field for the future. This isn't rocket science, boys.

 

[belljr]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)

I'm sure the Apple version is great and all. My coworkers data connection appears to be better than mine but to say better than google maps ever was is misleading.The main reason the wife and I bought our first droids over apple was because of the turn by turn directions and the robustness of the navigation.

Exactly why Apple had to make this move. Google Maps on iOS was never going to compete with Google Maps on Android, and the gap between them was increasing year-after-year. Apple can't afford to have their main competitor in control of such a curtail part of their device. So they endure some short term pain in order to put themselves on a competitive playing field for the future. This isn't rocket science, boys.

Totally agree. And I'm not trying to bash, just trying to relay information. I like the new phone, it's sleeker than I though it would be. I'm just spoiled with my big screen now . At least now I feel like my options are "equal" with one another.

 

[Billy Bats]

Has anyone else seen this happen? I had the static lines last night, not a big deal, but a little concerning. Hopefully just a software issue and won't get worse.

 

[belljr]

Serious question - is the iphone lte phone faster connection than a android let phone?

Is there something in the hardware that can make it faster?

 

[sho nuff]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)

I'm sure the Apple version is great and all. My coworkers data connection appears to be better than mine but to say better than google maps ever was is misleading.The main reason the wife and I bought our first droids over apple was because of the turn by turn directions and the robustness of the navigation.

Exactly why Apple had to make this move. Google Maps on iOS was never going to compete with Google Maps on Android, and the gap between them was increasing year-after-year. Apple can't afford to have their main competitor in control of such a curtail part of their device. So they endure some short term pain in order to put themselves on a competitive playing field for the future. This isn't rocket science, boys.

No...just shows people like you having major hypocrisy as you laugh at google/android when they have ever pushed something out saying "it will get better".

 

[tommyGunZ]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)

I'm sure the Apple version is great and all. My coworkers data connection appears to be better than mine but to say better than google maps ever was is misleading.The main reason the wife and I bought our first droids over apple was because of the turn by turn directions and the robustness of the navigation.

Exactly why Apple had to make this move. Google Maps on iOS was never going to compete with Google Maps on Android, and the gap between them was increasing year-after-year. Apple can't afford to have their main competitor in control of such a curtail part of their device. So they endure some short term pain in order to put themselves on a competitive playing field for the future. This isn't rocket science, boys.

Even if you buy into that, there is no excuse for releasing Maps in this state. They should have waited a generation if it wasn't ready.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Just read that in order to sync iP5 with iTunes on Macbook, the Macbook needs to be running OS X 10.6.8. Well, my Macbook isn't compatible with OS X 10.6.8, it's an older model (2007/08???). I know one is able to have the iP5 without a computer. How is this done? How do I subscribe to the podcasts that I want? How do I sync my iTunes library to the iP5? Is this done via iCloud? 99% of my music is ripped from CDs. Will iClouds allow me to put my music on the iP5 without purchasing iTunes Match? How do I backup my iP5,when and if I get one? Who knows if I will with these limitations? Am I missing something that clearly makes having an older Macbook and an iP5 possible?

Anyone?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Do you guys backup to the cloud? If so, did you purchase more cloud storage space? What else is the cloud good for?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Maps works great here. How is it not "ready"?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Maps works great here. How is it not "ready"?

I have not had any problems with maps. What exactly is the issue?

 

[goonsquad]

Yup...it's about spending money where you should spend money, and not where you shouldn't. Microsoft saved Apple with an investment when they were about to collapse, despite the competition. I completely disagree with Adonis assessment of this. It is a mistake, plain and simple, for Apple to roll it out in this state. It takes away from their glamor and makes them look vulnerable. That is not good because a lot of Apple's success is based on them being the glamorous company and being able to charge more because of it. Apple can not afford to have that taken away.

This is likely going to be one of those things like "antenna-gate" where there's a big fuss over a small issue that truly inconvenienced only a small number of folks, and then after the fuss is over, people move on with it, apple improves it, and we're all happy.Maps will be a work in progress, but it's a great app. The data needs to improve, but in my area, it's already better than Google Maps ever was, because of turn by turn directions, and the speed of maps loading.

I have no doubt Apple will improve it. But I do maintain you are not using the correct benchmark. You are comparing it to the previous Google Maps app on iPhone, when realistically, if Google and Apple would have worked together, you should be comparing against Google Maps on Android, which is undoubtedly superior and has had all the features of the new Apple Maps plus some (public transportation, for instance.)

I'm sure the Apple version is great and all. My coworkers data connection appears to be better than mine but to say better than google maps ever was is misleading.The main reason the wife and I bought our first droids over apple was because of the turn by turn directions and the robustness of the navigation.

Exactly why Apple had to make this move. Google Maps on iOS was never going to compete with Google Maps on Android, and the gap between them was increasing year-after-year. Apple can't afford to have their main competitor in control of such a crucial part of their device. So they endure some short term pain in order to put themselves on a competitive playing field for the future. This isn't rocket science, boys.

Even if you buy into that, there is no excuse for releasing Maps in this state. They should have waited a generation if it wasn't ready.

There is nothing to "buy into", Tommy. Apple has followed this identical course with numerous technologies over the years. Ever since they were held hostage by Motorola with the PowerPC chips, Apple decided that above all else they needed to control their own destiny.

 

[joffer]

It just got here. Impressed so far

I didn't realize it was narrower. Still feels solid even though its lighter

Fast as hell

 

[AcerFC]

Do you guys backup to the cloud? If so, did you purchase more cloud storage space? What else is the cloud good for?

I do but Im not even sure why. I just bought more space because I got tired of seeing the message that I had not backed up in 32 weeks and there was not enough storage left for me to back up.I paid the 20 bucks and now am almost out of the extra 10 gbs. I have no idea why or what gets saved to the cloud

 

[joffer]

Do text message histories/archives get backed up on iTunes? Where is it? Those didn't make it over to the new phone when I synced

 

[VA703]

cousin let my see hers the other day

the panorama picture is pretty nice

and the 4g lte?! wow

 

[No. 16]

The one thing that cracks me up is that a lot of iPhone users are truly amazed at how fast LTE is. Just goes to show that a lot of iPhone users have never even held an android device and why Apple is making boatloads.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

The one thing that cracks me up is that a lot of iPhone users are truly amazed at how fast LTE is. Just goes to show that a lot of iPhone users have never even held an android device and why Apple is making boatloads.

I think part of it is because apple makes the better product. Speed isn't everything.

 

[Goat Herders]

The one thing that cracks me up is that a lot of iPhone users are truly amazed at how fast LTE is. Just goes to show that a lot of iPhone users have never even held an android device and why Apple is making boatloads.

I think part of it is because apple makes the better product. Speed isn't everything.

This. I had a 4g Evo and loved the speed, but that wasn't everything.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

The one thing that cracks me up is that a lot of iPhone users are truly amazed at how fast LTE is. Just goes to show that a lot of iPhone users have never even held an android device and why Apple is making boatloads.

I came from a droid with LTE on Verizon and it was slow as balls, not to mention the keyboard typing 5 letters at once when it got too humid out and it was a no-brainer.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

"burning" the battery down to zero to give it a full charge, normally I would top it off each night, but will give it a full cycle charge once it gets to 0.

I didn't have it plugged in last night and I turned wifi on today, looks like it is at 40%.

I installed carat, but what is a low profile battery app that will tell me % battery life left? I didn't see an option to turn on battery % under iPhone settings.

 

[Ned]

"burning" the battery down to zero to give it a full charge, normally I would top it off each night, but will give it a full cycle charge once it gets to 0.I didn't have it plugged in last night and I turned wifi on today, looks like it is at 40%.I installed carat, but what is a low profile battery app that will tell me % battery life left? I didn't see an option to turn on battery % under iPhone settings.

Settings/General/Usage -> Battery Percentage

 

[hxperson]

The one thing that cracks me up is that a lot of iPhone users are truly amazed at how fast LTE is. Just goes to show that a lot of iPhone users have never even held an android device and why Apple is making boatloads.

I think part of it is because apple makesmade the better product. Speed isn't everything.

Definitely true with phones pre ICS, imo. I think its hard to say that one is better than the other anymore. Better for certain preferences, sure.

 

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Do text message histories/archives get backed up on iTunes? Where is it? Those didn't make it over to the new phone when I synced

No. But they don't go away unless you delete them either.